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About Marius {Les Mis - SPOILER ALERT}

(70 Posts)
kim147 Sat 19-Jan-13 13:28:24

So all his friends have died. He goes back to his rich life, nice grand wedding paid for by Grandad.

AIBU to think his socialist principles have been shattered sad Which you can't blame him for really.

Arf at Led Mission grin

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 15:31:48

LOL at "Led Mission".

simplesusan Sun 20-Jan-13 14:14:39

I really enjoyed watching Eddie as Marius.
Loved Anne Hathaway's performance too.

Sprite21 Sun 20-Jan-13 13:43:47

Bloody spell check. Les Miserables not Led Mission.

Sprite21 Sun 20-Jan-13 13:42:47

I have a major crush on Eddie Redmyne ATM, to the point I go all schoolgirl when his name is mentioned. I haven't seen Led Mission yet but can't wait.

ALittleScatterOfRain Sun 20-Jan-13 12:53:18

But when it came to it, Eponine couldn't stand to see Marius hurt could she? That's why she put herself in the way of the bullet, giving him at least a chance to live.

That bit in the book where she says "And by the way, Monsieur Marius, I believe that I was a little bit in love with you." as she's dying makes me well up every time I read it. Poor Eponine sad

I think also that Marius gives up on the revolutionary ideas as he has Cosette. He was wavering between her and the other students before, and now they're not there he can just be with her without feeling guilty for abandoning them.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 12:38:54

So, assuming everyone in question could sing, what would your dream cast be?

I think Alan Rickman might do well with the innkeeper.

kim147 Sun 20-Jan-13 12:18:57

Javert's suicide - agree Phillip Quast was perfect in the 10th anniversary. And yes - when he hit that wier.

Bit surprised when Valjean tells Javert that "Marius has done no wrong" - technically not true.

Javert is such a complex character - everytime Valjean and Javert meet, you can feel the complexity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiV_CBErq9Y

I was born with scum like you
Men like you can never change
Believe of me what you will
All I did was steal some bread

Every man was born in sin, every man must choose his way

So many issues

Isildur Sun 20-Jan-13 12:17:06

Marius and Cosette are very blah in evey production.

I think Eddie Izzard would have made a fabulous Javert grin. He has the eyes.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 12:11:38

Yes, yes.

When I figure out a way to shrink Eddie Redmayne so that he can live in my pocket, I will certainly be making sure he is properly clad in britches and flouncy shirt pre-shrinking.

Although his clothes might not shrink and then I'd have a nakey pocket Marius. shock

NoelHeadbands Sun 20-Jan-13 11:56:43

I do think its about time that flouncy shirts and britches had a revival

<muses>

<shallow>

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:54:09

I meant to say that I think my favourite part of the whole film was the bit at the end of the revolution when Enjolras is cornered by the soldiers and then Grantaire walks in, gives him that little wry smile and pushes through the soldiers to join him.

I had a little gulp at that point. I think that sort of thing was on of the places where the film won out over the musical - you had a much better sense of the students and the revolution because you could see the detail of what was going on, and the expressions of the actors.

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 11:13:30

DP has never seen the musical, and didn't understand why I was wincing. Had to show him the above clip when we got home to explain.

I know they wanted big stars in it, and as an actor Crowe has the persona to pull off an acceptable Javert (said grudgingly) but as a singer, he is hopeless.

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:13:24

Sorry - just sang it in my head and obviously I mean "and those who falter and thoooooose who fall..." grin

But on the subject of Javert - anyone else cringe into a little ball and go "oooourgh" when he hit the edge of the weir?

Our whole cinema did a co-ordinated flinch!

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 11:07:53

I agree about Stars, SirBoobAlot. I was torn between looking forward to it because I love it so much, and dreading it because you just knew you weren't going to get that massive "and those who falter and those who faaaaaaall" note.

SirBoobAlot Sun 20-Jan-13 11:01:52

Javert killed himself because he has always seen the world as good and bad, black and (red...) white. JVJ stole a loaf of bread, so he was 'bad' and deserved the years he served. When JVJ allows him to escape from the barricades, he says this:

Jean Valjean: [to Javert] We meet again.
Javert: You've hungered for this all your life! Take your revenge... How right you should kill with a knife!
Jean Valjean: You talk too much. Your life is safe in my hands!
Javert: Don't understand.
Jean Valjean: Get out of here.
Javert: Valjean, take care, I'm warning you...
Jean Valjean: Clear out of here!
Javert: Once a thief, forever a thief. What you want you always steal. You would trade your life for mine? Yes, Valjean, you want a deal. Shoot me now for all I care. If you let me go beware, you'll still answer to Javert!
Jean Valjean: You are wrong, and always have been wrong. I'm a man, no worse than any man. You are free! And there are no conditions, no bargains or petitions; there's nothing that I blame you for. You've done your duty, nothing more. If I come out of this alive, you'll find me at number fifty-five Rue Plumet. No doubt our paths will cross again. Go.

This starts Javert's internal conflict, he cannot process that a man he has hunted for so long can let him go when he is 'bad'.

So then when they meet and JVJ is rescuing Marius, and Javert allows him to leave, he throws all his own morals into question - he let a 'bad' man go free. He trusted a bad man to return. He broke the law. But was the law right in the first place?

Javert was born to a woman in jail, and so from an early age has hated the 'cons' for breaking the law. And now he is faced with the possibility that sometimes not only is the law wrong, but that it is the right thing to do to break the law.

Unable to live with the conflict in his mind, and the fact that he may have wronged so many people throughout the years, he throws himself into the river.

I hated Crowe's portrayal of Javert (firstly because he can't FUCKING SING and 'Stars' is one of the best songs from any musical) because he played him so flat. Had the same issue with Norm Lewis in the 25th anniversary concert. Javert is a complex character, who has lived his life as much to escape from his own demons as he has to enforce the law. In the book he is shown to be a very impassioned character, and seeing him played to bland is frankly painful.

Here is the 10th anniversary concert version of Javert's suicide, I think it is the most accurate portrayal of this moment for the man.

<geek>

And yes, Marius is ridiculous. Though Eddie Redmayne.... Mmm...

Trazzletoes Sun 20-Jan-13 10:39:01

Eddie Redmayne? No thanks. I'm saving my love for Hugh Jackman and the lad who played Enjolras...

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:36:27

Still not sure why he committed suicide though.

go on the other Les mis thread all the les mis geeks grin explained to me why he killed himself

Ruprekt Sun 20-Jan-13 10:36:02

I am loving this thread!

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:34:03

I couldn't take my eyes off his great big rubbery lips.

bless his huge lips he was on jonathan ross last night and he commented on the lips he looked horrified when they showed a clip,

mrsjay Sun 20-Jan-13 10:32:36

Don't forget, in Wet Cosette's defense, she grew up sheltered by Jean Valjean and kept safe from the horror that her mother endured.

I suppose your right JVJ brought her up to be innocent and protected and -wet- so it is his fault she is a simpering fool I half expect her to be faffing herself with a fan as it is all too much for her grin

TandB Sun 20-Jan-13 08:43:43

Marius was clearly a hopeless romantic and got a bit carried away by the idea of revolution, before getting completely distracted by the idea of love at first sight. But, to be fair to him, he went back and saw the rebellion through and would have died with the others if Valjean hadn't rescued him.

But never mind all that. He is so pretty that he needs to be shrunk down small and then he can ride around in my pocket all the time and I can take him out and pat his little head every now and again. My SIL agrees. My MIL thinks we have both lost our marbles. grin

I saw it last night and thought the crowd scenes were spectacular and the younger cast were good (except for the fact that they all seemed to have a recurring and infectious case of singing-through-the-nose-with-their-mouths-half-shut syndrome), but I was disappointed in the two main leads. I've seen it twice in the theatre and both times Javert got a standing ovation for his big solo. As soon as they opened their mouths you knew they weren't going to be able to carry off their respective massive numbers, and to be fair to them, they didn't try to belt them out.

I can see the logic for the casting of Russell Crowe because he does that whole "stick up his arse" thing well, but I don't see why they wanted Jackman who can't really sing that well - there are plenty of other people who could have played Jean Valjean who is a bit of a caricature really. Ewan McGregor for example - he did well in Moulin Rouge.

I now feel the need to download the original soundtrack and listen to "stars" being properly belted out!

GW297 Sun 20-Jan-13 01:25:57

Eddie Redmayne is hot. Eponine is my favourite character too.

Redmayne troubled me, I couldn't take my eyes off his great big rubbery lips.

Marius and Cosette's love story detracts from the story I want to know more about, but that's just me personally. Whoever said on here that Marius essentially takes up where Valjean left off, by being a socialite, but tending to/aiding the poor and rousing sympathy for them makes me feel happier about it. Cosette is drippy, but I now have visions of her and Marius growing up together being a bit more behind the scenes revolutionary.

Eponine went to the barricade and encouraged Marius to go, too, with the intention of her and Marius dying together; she took the bullet in order to die first as was her master plan. I love her character, but that's pretty messed up. Poor Marius-the-pawn. In fact Marius pretty much gets manipulated by everyone but Cosette. Still, I love Empty Chairs... and I adored the version in the film. So heart wrenching sad

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