to be concerned by how much support Nigel Farage(128 Posts)
Seems to be getting on Question Time
It's worrying how much support UKIP are getting
DH just said this to me! But I don't find UKIP worth worrying about really
Yes. But no one really worried about Hitler's party in 1933 either and that didn't end well.
They are dangerous people, with nasty views who make some of the Tories seem reasonable.
I'm watching it now, and find him the only politician in the panel that I don't find really annoying. Couldn't believe it when Mary Beard basically told a woman from Boston that she was lying about what was going on in her area as she (MB) had read a report on the area and knew better.
Well with the calibre of all the other parties, who have all proved that they are quite happy to lie about what they will do when in power, cheat and fiddle their expenses and only care about scoring pathetic points over each other with scant regard for the good of the country, then is it really that surprising?
Mary Beard is not a politician though. She's not even really a people person, she's an historian.
Don't trust anyone who seems too good to be true. Seriously they will have the disabled and old euthanised in the name of caring. Nasty and vile.
no, I just meant she was just as annoying as them, and have no idea why she's on the panel.
If I remember correctly I think Robert Kilroy Silk was UKIP MEP for a while for Lincolnshire.
There you go then. Can't get much more slimy than that.
Quick Google and I was right! MEP for east midlands until he left UKIP for Veritas.
How I remembered that I don't know, if I could only remember more important things ......
I'm struggling to think of a single politician of any persuasion who isn't slimey!
If only there was a 'none of the above' option on a ballot paper
It's Lincolnshire though, it's to be expected.
I was surprised to find myself even paying attention to him and I vote Green! Personally I would like an EU referendum just because I can't stand the endless bloody debate. I think Europe is an issue that is always used as Spin to cover lots of other things that happen in government and so the general public becomes very aware of it. Then that means UKIP get a lot of attention and Nigel Farage says lots of things that sound like good common sense so people trust him. Also as they're a newish/less established party I think that for lots of people there is more trust in them. Majority of people I know feel disenfranchised with the other big parties, UKIP is filling the gap.
I thought it was quite depressing to see how much support there was for him. Scary stuff.
MB was very good.
Robert Kilroy Silk was also a Labour MP.
Are the UKIP any worse than Labour or the Conservatives (Libdems don't count)? Labour were quite happy for us to invade Iran and kill brown people, and the Conservatives don't even attempt to disguise their contempt for the disadvantaged and vulnerable. I'm deeply concerned that people would vote for either of them.
I don't like Nigel Farage, but I think he has some good points about Europe. The UKIP wouldn't be growing in popularity if people didn't agree with some of their policies.
Why is it worrying? Because you don't agree? Neither do I chik!!!not sure how old you are but it's like the Michael foot years. Embarrassing to be a socialist.
Other parties need to up game. That's it really.
I keep reading Veritas as Dignitas and thinking, "blimey didn't know Kilroy-Silk was dead"
I loathe Farage with a passion..
Thankfully there is a limit to their appeal. The thing with Europe as an issue, is that a small percentage of people are obsessed with it, mostly middle aged provincial sad sacks, swivel eyed Daily Mail reading nutters and closet racists who can't quite bring themselves to vote BNP.
For most it is a side issue way behind jobs, the economy, education and law and order. When the Tories have tried to make political capital out of Europe, it has mostly fallen flat on its face. William Hague tried the '24 hours to save the pound' trick before the 2001 election and he lost by a landslide.
At the next election they will be exactly the same number of UKIP MPs as there were at the last one: none.
I don't see Europe as a single issue, given it's impact on so many areas of our lives, some good, some bad. Though sometimes even the case for the good is either vague scaremongering or pretty week. All Mary Beard, a Camridge Professor, could offer on Question Time last night were 'benefits' such as clean beaches. Our beaches aren't actually that great, and are increasingly losing their Blue Flags, not helped by the privatised water companies opening the sluice gate whenever they feel like it. We're a sensible society, we're not suddenly going to start smearing excrement into the sand the second we're out of the EU. The private water companies will take care of that.
This brings me onto privatisation of our utilities in general. Were the utilities not sold off to private companies, invariable foreign owned, perhaps water companies might invest more in their plants, rather than being driven by profit for their shareholders. France's EDF has it's energy bills capped by the French government, though now they supply much of our power, they can increase our energy bills with impunity. Or how about when Gordon Brown, in all his glorious wisdom, just as we're being ushered in to a new age of reliance on nuclear power, sold BNFL-owned Westinghouse to Japan. Then there's our trains, etc, etc. Privatisation has been not been good for the British public. Any hope of renationalising will be fettered by the EU.
It is very clear what big business gets out of the EU, but has the case been clearly made at a level that benefits us commoners? I respect Ken Clarke, a decent politician of probity and integrity, of which there are few, and is the staunchest of all pro Europen tories. Of anyone, surely this intelligent man, an ex-chancellor of the exchequer, should be able to put a convincing case for the benefits, but I've yet to hear it.
Yes, there are pros and cons, the single market, etc, but the erosion of democracy is a huge concern.
The poster above mentions being 'frightening' by Nigel Farage, and yet seems unfazed by the fact that the democratically elected leaders of Italy and Greece were removed from office and replaced by faceless technocrats selected from a faceless cabal in Brussels.
An erosion of what little democracy we have, with a charter for big business to ride roughshod over the little people, and yet those who rightly question the EU are accused of being 'right wingers'. Or the trite phrase often peddled out, 'swivel-eyed'. Really, is it right wing to question the EU, it's power, influence or it's impact on our lives, because I don't feel right-wing?
Perhaps you can illuminate me?
I didn't see the show but am aware of UKIP's policies. I'm not sure why you find it frightening? Surely it is a good sign of a healthy democracy that there are politicians with different view points, discussing them openly?
Would be great if they did discuss them openly, but they don't. They don't discuss putting the disabled into communes openly, do they. They don't discuss the fact that they want to bring back the death penalty openly.
They don't discuss the fact that they're racist bigots openly.
They are the polite version of the BNP. Thugs in suits, just the same, the only difference is the quality of the suit.
I want a referendum too but I got the distinct impression from a few things Grant Shapps said that the 'referendum' we will eventually get is not going to be IN/OUT but one where we are asked if we the people would like the UK to 'Renegotiate our realtionship with the EU'. This will be meaningless and pushed off until after the next election. We already know most people will say yes to a renegotiation but in fact nothing will change as our EU partners will just tell us to get lost.
To get any concessions we need a proper renegotation with the explicit threat of an IN/OUT referendum if we dont get what we want.
Cameron has thrown away his negotiating position already. No wonder Farage is popular. If the Tory party got a leader who called an IN/OUT referendum tomorrow and delivered an ultimatum to Brussels then UKIP support would melt away.
I find it worrying how much support they are getting because I have read their policies, on a programme such as question time I would expect many of the audience have too
they hide behind the anti Europe stance there is far more to their core beliefs than being anti Europe
and their are many Tory party members who are not happy what other right wing party is there to support
I found MB's comments amusing as everything the lady from Boston said was true!
I live fairly close to Boston and the impact of immigration has been enormous.
I found her attitude to the Boston woman insulting. But hey, she'd read the report so Obviously knew best.
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