To think Children in Year 4 and Year 5 should not have a Teacher in class only four days a week?

(59 Posts)
Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 22:46:50

Is it reasonable that TA's should have to cover every Friday on a permanent basis?
Due to DS1s Teachers working four days a week it happened in year 4 and is happening again now in Year 5.
Disclaimer: I am not dissing TA's abilities in any way but shouldn't class sizes of 29 should have Teacher and TA and therefore shouldn't the school also arrange a supply Teacher for Fridays?
Friday is partially taken up with P.E and Assembly but I have written (nicely of course) to Head to find out what the situation actually is and what will happen in Year Six.
Am I being precious/over-the-top?

lisad123everybodydancenow Wed 16-Jan-13 22:48:54

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Heavywheezing Wed 16-Jan-13 22:49:29

Your teacher is entitled to half a day of ppa, but I think the school think that they can get away with ta for half a day.

Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 22:51:28

Thanks what's ppa please Heavywheezing?

echt Wed 16-Jan-13 22:51:43

I'm horrified. if it's teacher and TA for four days, then it should be the same for the fifth. Challenge this.

Teacher is also mad for planning lessons they are not paid to teach

HollyBerryBush Wed 16-Jan-13 22:51:49

TA or HiLTA?

WorraLiberty Wed 16-Jan-13 22:52:31

Well I can totally see where you're coming from but...

It would depend really on how well qualified and experienced the TA is...and how able they are to follow the lesson plan left by the teacher.

It's not ideal and it's probably down to a cash flow problem - ie the Head not wanting to pay out £100+ for an agency teacher.

However, I strongly doubt it'll be the same in year 6 as that's the dreaded SATs year where the school will probably pull out all the stops.

In my personal experience (and as a school governor) I can honestly say I'd pick a well experienced/well qualified TA anyday...over a different agency teacher every week.

Sometimes continuity is better for the kids IYSWIM?

kim147 Wed 16-Jan-13 22:53:16

YANBU - a class should be taught by a qualified teacher.

Even if it's PPA - there should still be a qualified teacher in the class who knows the children and can effectively teach the subject.

Ambrosiacreamedrice Wed 16-Jan-13 22:53:59

DNiece's Year 4 class has a HLTA for over half of the week. Not ideal at all, but not breaking any rules.

RainbowsFriend Wed 16-Jan-13 22:56:11

If you're horrified now, wait until they get to secondary when even long term absences are covered by Cover Supervisors (not teachers) - and sometimes a class will go from lesson to lesson covered by cover supervisors....

HollyBerryBush Wed 16-Jan-13 22:56:14

HiLTAs are qualified to deliver lessons.

TBH if you are getting antsy about a LSA delivering lessons you are in for a big shock come secondary school and you have CS and FSS covering absent teachers.

Dancergirl Wed 16-Jan-13 22:59:30

Sorry but YABU

Ive never heard of supply teachers teaching during PPA time. Schools just don't have the budgets for that. PPA is generally covered by TAs and/or 'floating' teachers. Some TAs are highly-qualified and fantastic, don't knock them. Just because they aren't qualified as a teacher won't have any long-term damage to your child's education.

Ambrosiacreamedrice Wed 16-Jan-13 23:01:21

I was off work on Monday (secondary school teacher) and sent in detailed plans for the cover supervisor for each lesson. She then taught the same lesson to all 5 classes (she picked the one she liked the look of) regardless of their keystage/topic.

This is the sort of stuff that parents should get angry about.

kim147 Wed 16-Jan-13 23:02:10

dancergirl - I'm a supply teacher covering PPA time. I know the children as I've done a lot of work at that school and teach the subject.

Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 23:03:33

Well I have written nicely just to find out what the situation actually is as I am just going on what I have found out from my Son - if it wasn't two years on the bounce I would have been none the wiser.
What is a HiLTA please HollyBerryBush?
I have just looked at the staff section on the School website and the LSA who takes the morning session is also the Inclusion Co-Ordinator. Afternoon Sessions are taken by the class LSA - whom My Son adores (she is utterly lovely, experienced and the Class respondswell to both from what I can get out of DS1).
I would hope the LSA's get paid accordingly and Teachers for their respective extra workload but am posting from a Parent POV.

WorraLiberty Wed 16-Jan-13 23:07:56

There are far too many acronyms on this thread to make any sense.

We might as well be using text speak innit m8?

storynanny Wed 16-Jan-13 23:09:28

PPA is planning, preparation and assessment- all teachers in state schools have a session , usually once a week for half a day and their class is covered by another teacher in the school, a supply teacher or in some cases teaching assistants or learning support assistants. I cover it quite often at my local schools where I am a supply teacher and the classes get the same lesson delivered by me as their own teacher has informed what needs teaching. I have witnessed some excellent sessions taken by assistants who know the children well and also some weak sessions , so I suppose it depends on the staffing at your particular school.

storynanny Wed 16-Jan-13 23:10:39

Schools do have budgets to use for supply teachers.

Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 23:11:32

Thanks for the information and I am not horrified Rainbows I just would like to understand and it's really interesting and educational boom boom reading Your replies on here - My fellow School Parents are probably not being subjective either so to Mumsnet for a reality check...

Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 23:12:40

*objective - Back to school for me!

storynanny Wed 16-Jan-13 23:13:27

Regarding the original post. Only qualified teachers are allowed to take PE sessions in state schools, not assistants or student teachers without teacher present.

storynanny Wed 16-Jan-13 23:14:41

HLTA is a higher level teaching assistant who has undergone further training.

Arachnophobe Wed 16-Jan-13 23:15:16

I didn't knock TA's Dancer Girl.

tiggytape Wed 16-Jan-13 23:16:57

PPA = teacher's planning time. Usually half a day per week out of the classroom their class needs to be covered for that time
HiLTA = Higher Level Teaching Assistant. Allowed to cover lessons and prepare them under the general professional direction of a teacher.

Dancergirl Wed 16-Jan-13 23:17:11

Is that because of H&S or insurance storynanny?

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