Bloody reading journals. AIBU?

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InNeatCognac Mon 14-Jan-13 11:12:52

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picketywick Tue 15-Jan-13 12:27:36

some Heads do push things a little far with parents.

sherazade Tue 15-Jan-13 12:32:02

As a reception teacher, I expect the parents to sign/comment 1-2 times a week. I know some parents find the comments pointless so I am pretty flexible and have said if there were no issues/problems, just sign 9no need to comment) so we know you've read with them. There is generally a marked difference between the kdis whose rj's are signed regularly and those whose are barely touched.
But this is reception where focussed reading and teaching reading is important.
DD2 is in year 1 and is reading the chronicles of Narnia. Her teacher knows she is an advanced reader and I don't comment or sign her rj, I just tick it to show she had read. DD2 is in year 3 and they fill in their own rjs with a short review of what they have read.
I think there should be flexibility with rjs but some TA'S are really anal about it.The children in my class who really do struggle- if their book hasn't been atleast signed i will raise with the parent. We are supposed to work together at this stage to ensure progress in reading. Those who are doing fine, i won't make such an issue.

sherazade Tue 15-Jan-13 12:34:24

and YANBU. DD1's year 2 teacher last year made the biggest fuss about her rj if there wasn't a detailed comment re her progress and it drove me wild. (Her reading was several levels up from most of the other children so I failed to see why me ticking off that she had read the least stimulating, inspiring literature I have ever come across was so necessary)

snowybrrr Tue 15-Jan-13 12:37:44

YANBU but you should occasionally still hear them read aloud.It is a different skill IMO

NicknameTaken Tue 15-Jan-13 12:49:31

I have a totally different problem with this - my ex collects dd(5) a couple of times a week and twice so far he's either lost the bloody book or is withholding as part of a stupid vendetta he's pursuing against me. DD is well ahead of her age with her reading and almost every night she reads a library book - more challenging than the school one, which she memorizes and rattles off after a couple of readings. I cringe about how we must look to the teachers about the lost books - I'm an obsessive reader myself and I can't stand the books getting lost.

Catriona100 Tue 15-Jan-13 12:51:22

I just spent a whole morning listening to a whole class of year 2 children read and I noticed a very strong correlation between good reading (expression, comprehension etc) and the frequency with which their parents read with them according to the reading journals.

I can't really see the point once the child can read (say in years 4/5/6) but I think it must be almost vital in KS1

I have no problem filling in dd2's record, she is still working through the book bands, fair enough, plus we just have to say whether she has read it, and can add comments if we want to. Dd1 (yr3) we have to put how long each night she has read to us plus comments. She does still read with us, and it is useful, especially as her current book is quite challenging with 19c Southern American language. I'm sure that she wouldn't understand bits if we didn't discuss it. I just don't feel the need to fill it in in detail every night so do 5 or 6 nights in a row when I think about it .

AndABigBirdInaPearTree Tue 15-Jan-13 13:31:07

It doesn't work that way in my family. I was totally crap at signing anything and reading has always been each kid's most advanced skill at school. I also read very little to DS#1 when tiny because he hated it. Ds once told me he read a lot because it is very boring at our house and we didn't allow hardly any TV or computer games compared to other families LOL.

DS needs me to sign that he's read 3 x a week in order for him to get a credit and privilege time on Friday afternoon. We vaguely try to remember which nights he may have read, but the 3 signatures are sometimes slightly randomly distributed over the weekly diary !

DD is at secondary school and doing really well both generally and in terms of organising herself to do her homework with only a few general prompts from me, you know, "Have you got any homework tonight MidiJuggling ?"
The school still expects and asks us to sign her planner each week. She came close to getting a detention the other day because it hadn't been signed for a few weeks blush So, I signed several weeks all together, including over the XMas hols ! I really don't know what those signatures are meant to represent !!
But if it keeps them happy ! And DD out of detention !

Just be glad I reckon that your children are as independent as they are, either with reading or homework or whatever. I'm glad mine don't have any serious issues about school or learning, and that I don't have to be on their case all the time. (Except for getting dressed, eating breakfast on time, and packing their bags - does that ever end ? grin) I guess from the school's point of view they are just trying to get some home-school interaction going. But it does seem a little pointless sometimes, so No, YANBU !

ledkr Tue 15-Jan-13 15:35:41

My dd is year 6 and enjoys reading but always has something better to do.I find it failry easy to get her to curl up with a book after school but she doesnt always enjoy the recording that shes read etc. I think it can spoil the whole reading experience for them and turn it into a bit of a chore.

Sometimes I just wish theyd let them enjoy the book.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 15-Jan-13 15:50:54

I didn't used to sign any and also refused to sign a home school agreement. It is not up to the teacher, you are allowed to decline all of it if you wish. They may be the school policy, but you don't have to make them yours. If your child loses out because of this I would and did complain.

However, don't listen to me as I now H.ed and find such a relief from the bureaucracy associated with the teaching at a school.

CruCru Tue 15-Jan-13 16:08:46

I remember homework diaries. My Mum signed every page for the next year and my form tutor was really unimpressed. It was pointless; I always did my homework.

SminkoPinko Tue 15-Jan-13 18:56:53

I think it's utterly hideous how much administrative crap parents and teachers have to do these days. Tick box approach which sucks the joy out of reading and life! Does it teach children to read? I doubt it. I bet the "reading journal filled in - good reader" correlation noted by some teachers here is in no way causative but merely reflects the kids who are reading at home with conscientious parents already. When did all this reading journal filled in by parents come in? My parents never had to do any of this shit

TyrannosaurusBex Tue 15-Jan-13 19:40:29

YANBU, My dds are keen and fluent readers but those books just makes reading a chore and I never fill them in any more. My HEd eldest loves books even more now that she's free to just enjoy them, and the teachers have conceded that dd2 obviously reads plenty and don't give me any grief any more.

Llareggub Tue 15-Jan-13 20:09:30

I am the first to moan about pointless bureaucracy but as the mother of a yr1 boy who struggles with reading, I like the discipline of the reading diary as a way for us to sit down together and discuss his reading. I use it to praise him and record his progress rather than a means of communicating with the teacher. My son is ridiculously opposed to reading - it is the first time in his life he has not been able to do something and he responds really well to the comments in his book, particularly from the teacher.

ledkr Tue 15-Jan-13 20:28:17

I've just unpacked the latest pieces of homework from dds bag. We were at it till late last night, learning spellings in the car in the way to school and she still has a project to complete by feb. thus us a child who isn't that great on her tables but all the other stuff leaves us little time to practice!

Startail Tue 15-Jan-13 20:31:01

Now at secondary my DDS have me sign their HW diaries months in advance.
There tutor never turns over, so it doesn't matter, but the get moaned at if it isn't done.

I certainly don't look at them. I couldn't read DD1's writing if I did.

Xenia Tue 15-Jan-13 22:03:15

Comments are normally voluntary. A signature takes a few seconds. Most children forge them on a regular basis surely if the parent has chosen to ensure the child is in trouble at work by refusing to sign and what sort of parent would do that? Just get on and sign the thing. If they are insisting on a comment put - v good.

I think there is a principle here of supporting the school even if you don't internally agree with it.....

I also think it is a good reminder to check they have done their homework, check their bag for notes, touch base with them so it is not really that big a chore surely?

Practice - noun - the practice
Practise - verb - to practise

Make sure they learn that. Even adults get it wrong.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 15-Jan-13 22:07:14

YABU, just sign it. And I don't see anything particularly snide about what they wrote to you, to be honest

DeadTall Tue 15-Jan-13 22:29:37

YANBU. DS is an avid reader and we both hated the reading log he had in Y5 & Y6. He devours books and I have trouble finding the time to take him to the library enough times to keep him in books. He's top set in English and reading age 4 years above average. Having to fill in the page numbers, author and book name is a chore which puts him off reading. I couldn't constantly monitor which page he was on, he could never remember, we both got stressed and were very relieved when they disappeared in Year 7. However, DD says she will be getting one soon. hmm

happynewmind Tue 15-Jan-13 22:37:42

I also find it pointless, dds went missing and despite putting a note in to say can't find log but have read book wasn't swapped for 6 weeks until it turned up as I hadn't filled in the log.

The comments aren't read as I have queried stuff and no reply.

I hate school reading schemes full stop for older primary, the books we have are the most likely to batter any passion for reading and are mostly from the 60/70s although dd currently has one about Mel Bs rise to fame...

Skinnywhippet Tue 15-Jan-13 22:46:24

Perhaps the children could write in them. 6 and 7 year olds at my school do that on occasion. It can be nice to see their opinion of the book-like a concise chapter/ book review. That way it has some educational value. You could still sign their comments.

Tgger Tue 15-Jan-13 23:06:35

I ask DS what to put now, and if he hasn't got anything of note to say it's "Read Well" grin.

AmberSocks Tue 15-Jan-13 23:12:22

fucking schools.sigh.

SausageSmuggler Tue 15-Jan-13 23:18:08

Well if it's any consolation I have to mark 30 of the buggers. Yes we can tell who reads at home and who doesn't but you can't tell some children they have to get them signed and some don't. You need to be consistent across the class.

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