to feel that the Tories like foreign children more than British ones?

(106 Posts)
SindyW Thu 10-Jan-13 09:55:10

They pay child benefit to Polish children who have never even been to Britain. They support children in the third world by maintaining the full value of the overseas aid budget, whilst at the same time saying they can't afford to raise income support, working tax credits or child tax credits in line with inflation. They will raise support for overseas children in line with inflation but not support for British children. British students have seen a 300% increase in their university tuition fees but overseas students have had a much smaller rise (in line with inflation). It seems, to me, that David Cameron and Ian Duncan Smith have it in for British children and young people or am I being unreasonable?

gordyslovesheep Thu 10-Jan-13 09:59:38

Yes YABU

Polish children get CB because their parents work and pay tax in the UK

Children receiving aid need it

Tax credit cuts, benefit cuts etc have nothing to do with affordability - it's purely a political anti poor decision

Tuition fees are paid by everyone

I am no fan of thie Gov (coalition btw not Tory) but you have lumped 7878794898 things together that are not linked

theykillhorses Thu 10-Jan-13 10:00:20

All children in this country have access to clean water and care.

In the third world many are starving and have to drink infected water, that is why we have overseas aid budget and rightly so.

Being poor here is extremely comfortable compared to being poor in the third world.

And I am from a poor family who had to struggle to buy food etc, we were still going to school and had free school dinners and had free medical care the whole time.

theykillhorses Thu 10-Jan-13 10:00:32

so yes YABU

Dawndonna Thu 10-Jan-13 10:00:36

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Greensleeves Thu 10-Jan-13 10:01:24

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AutumnMadness Thu 10-Jan-13 10:05:46

YABU, Tories just a) hate everyone who threatens their wealth and dominance, b) are thick, c) both.

Polish children get child benefit because of the EU rules. Tories can't just brush the rules away. Foreign aid is maintained definitely not for the benefit of foreign children. Aid is notoriously ineffective, but it acts as a nice political shield that covers up the fact that Western trade policies are one of the major reasons for the third-word poverty. As long as we are feeding the money into the pockets of third-world dictators, we don't have to worry as much about their people having an uprising about Western subsidies and import tariff arrangements.

Vagaceratops Thu 10-Jan-13 10:07:03

AIBU to feel that Sindy is a racist bigot?

threesocksmorgan Thu 10-Jan-13 10:07:29

I do think that no way should we be sending money abroad, whilst be told we are in such dire straits that we are targeting the most vulnerable.

SindyW Thu 10-Jan-13 10:10:30

Tuition fees might be paid by everyone but why do British children have to pay the same as foreign ones. We pay for the upkeep of the universities through the tax system already. Foreign parents do not make that contribution. Polish children with parents working in the UK are relatively wealthy. Why do they get child benefit whilst British children with one parent earning over 60k don't. It seems he has it in for British children to me.

SindyW Thu 10-Jan-13 10:13:31

I'm not a racist at all or bigoted I just feel unfairly treated as a British mother of 5 British children who are trying to get an education. Sorry about that.

LoopsInHoops Thu 10-Jan-13 10:14:05

I agree with Greensleeves.

I hate the tories, with a passion. But your points are so stupid it's laughable. So, yes, YABU, but I suspect it's through ignorance rather than the nastiness it comes across as.

1. Not idea why you're focusing on Polish children (DM per chance?), but any UK taxpayers that fit the criteria can claim CB, regardless of whether the parents had to leave their children in another country to come here to work.

2. There is no 'third' world, but that aside, I think the points above explain why aid continues to be given.

3. University students aren't children for a start. Also, if they were to raise overseas fees as much as home ones, universities would all become bankrupt within a year or two. Universities rely on the huge overseas fees for much of their income, and rendering UK univeristy an unviable option for this group would be financially stupid.

hth. smile

showtunesgirl Thu 10-Jan-13 10:14:34

OP, I suggest you actually find out the truth before ranting incoherently.

I live in area of London with quite a few Polish people and many of them are far from wealthy so I have no idea where you got this idea from.

You also have it wrong. The Tory Government don't have it in for British Children but ALL of us.

Vagaceratops YANBU at all.

Sindy your views are very foolish/ridiculous/stupid/wrong/bigoted/racist/idiotic (choose your favourites)

Nancy66 Thu 10-Jan-13 10:17:29

Five kids that you can't afford? How very third world of you.....

PolkadotCircus Thu 10-Jan-13 10:17:38

I agree three clearly we're not in the dire straits they say we are.

Re CB I'd like to know exactly what is the situation re European nationals. Ifvfamilies are getting it for children not even here that is blatantly wrong as CB was for the additional costs of raising children in this country not in countries where child rearing costs are a fraction of the costs in GB. If those earning earning over 50- 60 k are still getting it because they're European that is utterly wrong but is that happening? There is very little info on this subject.

"Racist bigot"-god I hate the hysterical overuse of this phrase.Op is simply asking a question meant tax payers facing a massive amount of cuts are asking.

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CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 10-Jan-13 10:22:01

"I'm not a racist at all or bigoted "

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. YABU

threesocksmorgan Thu 10-Jan-13 10:23:12

calling some one a loon because they ask a question is daft. and I don't think it is racist to question this,

PolkadotCircus Thu 10-Jan-13 10:23:23

How exactly is she a racist-enlighten us?

SindyW Thu 10-Jan-13 10:23:23

I can afford my children. I'm not a racist, bigot or stupid. I feel unfairly treated because I have been unfairly treated. Not because of some problem with my thinking. I gave birth to my children under one system, then it changed.

Chopchopbusybusy Thu 10-Jan-13 10:25:28

Actually I'm sure the Tories hate paying child benefit to non resident children but EU rules mean they have to. I am not happy about student fees but fees for overseas students are already huge and if universities don't get a decent percentage (I think in some cases 30%) of students from overseas they just wouldn't have enough income. As for your comments about overseas aid they are just shocking.

Familyguyfan Thu 10-Jan-13 10:26:27

Just a quick point on tuition fees. Of memory serves, EU students are treated the same way as domestic students and pay the same fees. That applies in all EU universities to provide a level playing field (EU law) so if you child goes to Berlin, Vienna etc for university, they would pay the same as a German or Austrian student.

Overseas students (ie. not EU) pay enormous fees. They are real cash cows for universities. You do not want a compatible situation for domestic students!!

PolkadotCircus Thu 10-Jan-13 10:26:50

Chop chop what were the shocking comments re overseas aid?

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