to be unsure about giving DD the other 2 immunisations

(48 Posts)
Lia87 Thu 13-Dec-12 12:11:28

my DD had her first lot of immunisations 3 weeks ago. before that she hadn't been ill. Since having them, she's been projectile vomiting most days rather than about once a week before, had a cough+cold since a few days after, been waking up screaming, not feeding as well and crying a lot more. It seems like its weakened her immune system if anything.

I took her to the doctors about the cough and she said to just keep an eye that her breathing didnt start to be raspy, and that side effects from the injections "usually" only last 48 hours.

i'm just concerned that it's actually doing more harm than good, after reading the immunisations booklet, one of the things hadn't even had a case in the uk for about 20 years, and so seems like it's just putting things in her system for the sake of it to still be doing it now.

i definitely don't want her having them yet, especially as she's still under the weather, but i'm not sure about them at all really. My DM has also been saying about links between autism and learning difficulties increasing since they've become standard procedure. I'm sure that's just a fluke but it just seems another risk. I'm really not convinced the benefit outweighs the side effects at the moment.

AIBU?

sashh Fri 14-Dec-12 11:48:15

Have you noticed that in the last three weeks the weather has changed quite a lot?

People are putting the heating on and staying in.

Norovirus is going around.

Don't you think some of these ^ could have something to do with dd being ill?

Mia4 Fri 14-Dec-12 11:17:32

Oh and if you went to docs or a hospital for vaccinations, there probably was a hell of a lot of bugs going around Despite advice, so many people go there when having the norovirus, or back to work/school too early-thank you very much workmate that gave me that last week

Mia4 Fri 14-Dec-12 11:15:36

Sorry just seem it was your mum, not your husband, well none of her business anyway tbh.

Mia4 Fri 14-Dec-12 11:14:22

Talk to the doctors, a lot of immunizations shouldn't be given while a person is ill or has just been because their immune system is weaker.

As fro autism, actually people are just better off at diagnosing. Years before they'd just be 'naughty', 'crazy', 'eccentic' or 'sick'. But she's your child, you and your husband should have a serious talk about this but avoid scaremongering on either side. I had an idiot relative who was insanely pro-life and anti-vaccination and used to post about ectopic pregnancy being a 'decided abortion' and that the 'mother wouldn't die if she was good enough', about vaccinations being made from dead and stolen babies, or a method of population control in which we are all having our 'expiry dates' set.

shoofly Thu 13-Dec-12 22:08:32

At the moment the Public Health Agency has announced a Measles outbreak in Belfast, and Northern Ireland is a region with very high take up rates for vaccination. Your Gp or practice nurse will not vaccinate a child who is ill but I think you should seriously consider having your child vaccinated when they are feeling better.

fenix Thu 13-Dec-12 21:56:51

Watch this video: Chain of Protection. You sound like you have limited understanding of how immunisation works, and it is a nice explanation that shows the benefits of vaccination, both to your daughter and greater society.

pointysettia Thu 13-Dec-12 20:29:43

The incidence of winter vomiting virus is about 70% worse this year than last, so not at all implausible your baby picked it up in the waiting room. It's winter cold season too.

I'd make sure your baby was well before giving the next vaccination, your practice will agree with this anyway, but deferring until age 2 or 3? Not a good idea, especially with whooping cough on the rise.

Take your time, do the research. Do not do it because you feel pressured into doing so.
My son has not been vaccinated, but if he had, I certainly wouldn't have taken him if he was poorly.

I would strongly advise immunising your child. The risks involved if your child gets the disease are A LOT greater than the side effects from the vaccine.
The reason that these diseases are essentially wiped out of the UK is the immunisation that we have in this country.
No vaccination has any link with autism. No vaccination will cause your child to have autism, it will already have been there. And besides, as im sure parents with SEN children will tell you, there is nothing wrong with having a SEN child, it's not worse, its different. Also, measles is a lot more risky than autism and learning difficulties, even if there was a risk.
At the end of the day, if you don't immunise your child, you are putting other children at risk. If you don't give your child the Hib (for example), contracts Hib and then your child comes into contact with a newborn, that is potentially putting that newborn at a massive risk.
There are some parents who believe that children gaining a 'natural immunity' to these things is beneficial, but the things they vaccinate against are things they have to have before any immunity is created naturally, again putting their child at risk. Would you deliberately give your child measles so they could be immune to it, knowing it can cause problems like hydroencephaly???
Obviously I can't force you to immunise, and your local nurses won't give to a child they think might have a problem (I don't think they give to children with flu) but its definitely something worth giving massive consideration to.

Letsmakecookies Thu 13-Dec-12 19:16:04

YABU if your decision is based on your mum. And google is not your friend, there are so many nutjobs out there prentending they know what they are talking about when it comes to health and science, but who have their own agendas.

Go and talk it through with your HV, GP or someone else with some medical training before you decide not to immunise your child.

The NHS doesn't make decisions on vaccination programmes, that is done by the Department of Health and they don't make decisions on their own willy nilly it is done with advise from experts (e.g. from academia who's work is peer reviewed, from the Health Protection Agency) and from the World Health Organisation.

lljkk Thu 13-Dec-12 18:52:36

If she had that strong an immune response then she's probably acquired immunity to everything. And most importantly, she won't react that strongly again. So I'd take her along for the other jabs feeling quite relaxed that she'd already had the strong immune response needed, so extra jabs just a precaution.

but I might choose to postpone if she was otherwise ill on the day (more than just a runny nose).

aamia Thu 13-Dec-12 18:34:58

Vaccination is one of the modern wonders of medicine. It is one of the reasons why most children survive to adulthood. Those who choose not to, put both their children and the herd immunity at risk.

Lia - there are quite a few of us on here who either haven't vaccinated or who have vaccinated to a different schedule. If you want to PM me feel free.

SlightlySoupStainedBabygrows Thu 13-Dec-12 16:58:04

My partner and I have been arguing discussing immunisations for months, since I was first pregnant.

After 8 weeks, DC1 changed in a number of ways - started crying more frequently, posseted more, suddenly (and unnervingly) started going several days between poos where he'd always been very regular before, and so on.

We had not given the first immunisations. Had we, my partner would have blamed all those things on the jabs. As it was, he got his first jab at 10 weeks, wailed a bit that night, and was fine and smiley by the next day. Every time I see a news story about the latest little baby to die of whooping cough, I am thankful that my partner finally agreed to us giving him the jabs.

Babies change so much and so quickly - if I was looking for changes expecting to find something bad as a result of the immunisations, I'd find something that had changed that I would worry about. Especially during the winter lurgy season!

hatebeak Thu 13-Dec-12 16:41:11

If you are going to "research" the issue, however, it's worth remembering that there is an awful lot of unscientific, unhelpful information out there on this matter.

Allonsy Thu 13-Dec-12 16:37:55

I have always agreed there is no autism risk with the MMR despite the case that ds1 become noticbly different following his and now has sensory issues and possible other asd/adhd related problems, even despite this im told others that the MMR is very important etc now that ds2 is here and due his vaccination why am i terrified of him getting it and keep putting it off sad

GreenPetals Thu 13-Dec-12 16:26:47

Please also read all the other information available about vacs, not just NHS ones.

That is if you want to get a more balanced pov.

NHS isn't always right! and very certainly, NHS general rules do not always apply to specific individuals.

nickelbabylyinginamanger Thu 13-Dec-12 16:23:54

this is the official NHS page on vaccinations

please read the information in it. smile

MrsHoarder Thu 13-Dec-12 16:21:12

Wait until your DD is not ill. But for comparison, my DS hadn't been ill at all until 6 weeks ago and since then we've had 3 colds and a vomiting bug. We've been to the GP with a persistant cough and missed baby groups every other week. Except his first jabs were in July, its just that now we're in the winter illness season.

And don't the early baby jabs include Whooping Cough? Even if you had the pregnancy booster, the effect that has on your DD will be wearing off by now. That's one big reason IMO to not wait a few years.

hatebeak Thu 13-Dec-12 16:20:42

The day before DD was due to have her first MMR injection, she had a febrile convulsion. It was the first time it had happened, and apart from a bit of a runny nose, she hadn't really been that obviously unwell.
If it had happened 36 hours later, what would I have thought? I'd probably have thought the injection had caused it.
Sometimes, things are just coincidence. It's Winter, there's a lot of nasty stuff flying about - babies and children get ill. Speak to your GP again if you're really worried, they should be able to reassure you.

MrsLyman Thu 13-Dec-12 16:20:33

It's more likely that being in the Drs waiting room caused the cold than the vaccinations, there are a lot if bugs around at the moment. With DS1 I found he reacted less to the jabs with each round, by the third set he barely had any reaction at all.

nickelbabylyinginamanger Thu 13-Dec-12 16:19:50

your next lot won't be for about 6 weeks, anyway.

DD hated her first lot, and cried for 5 hours or so.
the second lot, she cried while the injection hurt and for about 20 mins, then was fine.

nickelbabylyinginamanger Thu 13-Dec-12 16:18:42

I'm sure your baby will be fine.

a small number of children will get poorly following injections, but unless there are serious side effects, then there is no reason to stop the course of immunisation

your doctor is properly trained in this, you know - if you'd had dangerous side effects, they would advise you on it (or you'd be in A&E by now)

it is normal - you are, after all, putting small amounts of a disease into your baby's system.
the baby learns to fight it, and then if the real disease presents itself, the baby will be better equipped to stop it killing them.

you are putting your baby (and the herd) at risk if you do not continue the vaccination programme.
There are a good many children (and adults) who are seriously ill, (and babies who are younger than vaccination age) and not immunising your child when they have no underlying medical is putting their lives at risk.

imagine your baby getting a disease that you've chosen not to vaccinate for, and coming into contact with someone who is recovering from cancer. their immune system is compromised by the cancer, and your baby could kill that person, or at least cause them to become seriously ill.

noblegiraffe Thu 13-Dec-12 16:17:08

I teach in a school and at the moment loads of kids are off sick. It's that time of year, unfortunately, and probably nothing to do with the vaccinations.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Thu 13-Dec-12 16:13:39

I think it would be reasonable of you to delay until your dd is well again, and then to have the injections given at intervals so that they are not all r IDE at the same time.

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