to be shocked that less than half of people in London are white

(412 Posts)
Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Tue 11-Dec-12 18:11:13

I was reading the article below and was shocked to see how much this country especially London has changed over the last ten years and feel concerned that immigration is too high for what is an already overcrowded island especially in the south east!

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/dec/11/census-2011-religion-race-education?intcmp=239

Skiffen Tue 11-Dec-12 18:23:56

OMG - their blush

Lilithmoon Tue 11-Dec-12 18:23:58

OP can you point out where you have found that statement? hmm angry

TandB Tue 11-Dec-12 18:24:33

Or the x-factor. Where they will give 1010% if selected.

plantsitter Tue 11-Dec-12 18:24:33

It says WHITE BRITISH, not white. Plenty of British but not white and white but not British. Read it properly before you start ridiculous posts. As if it's particularly shocking anyway. Hope you don't live in London as part of the reason I moved here was so I had to listen to proportionately less racist bollocks like this.

SantaIAmSoFuckingRock Tue 11-Dec-12 18:25:44

"I am, however, a little surprised. I wouldn't have thought we were anywhere near caucasion being the minority ethnic group"

correct me if i'm wrong but less than half doesn't mean an ethnic minority unless the other group is all in the same ethnic group?

so it could be 46% white people, 54% non white people made up of all different ethnicities that indiviually make up less than 46% meaning there are still more white people that the people from other ethnic backgrounds. so white not being an ethnic minority. or do i have that all wrong confused

goralka Tue 11-Dec-12 18:25:49

you phrased it so much better than I could have plantsitter.....

Cozy9 Tue 11-Dec-12 18:27:13

London isn't somewhere I'd particularly want to live, unless I had a really well paid job in the city or something.

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Tue 11-Dec-12 18:27:31

The rate of immigration is concerning due to limited space, according to the census 3.8 million people arrived here in the last ten years but 1.2 million between 1991 and 2000. The rate of immigration is rising fast, not sure when it will end as there is already a housing shortage.

I think it is surprising that fewer than half the people who live in London are white, i did not say 'not British'

TheCortanaThatStoleChristmas Tue 11-Dec-12 18:28:13

If you were only alerted to the changes when you read the article I would take that as you not noticing anything different for the last 10 years, no?

BitBewilderedChristmasTree Tue 11-Dec-12 18:28:28

I am first generation British, but am white. So ner!

TandB Tue 11-Dec-12 18:28:29

I am confused.

OK, the 86% is for the whole country. I take back my comment about the OP's mathematical ability on that point.

However, that article says that 45% of Londoners are white British. So presumably there are also a fair number of non-British white people? Northern and easterm European presumably featuring quite heavily at the moment, as well as Antipodeans, Americans and Canadians.

So where does the OP get the less than 50% are white figure?

FivesGoldNorks Tue 11-Dec-12 18:28:35

Op not been back...
Fwiw I live in a small northern village and was quite surprised to find that many areas of London have white as the minority by a mile. I do not see the link to immigration however

Stuffingballs Tue 11-Dec-12 18:28:44

Are you ok about white immigrants coming over here then?

ErikNorseman Tue 11-Dec-12 18:29:14

I don't think that statistic is right - or it has been massaged. Only around 10-15% of uk pop are non white. So can over 50% of Londoners really be non white? I don't think it adds up. IIRC 35% of BME pop live in London, making around 3.5-5% of the entire population. I suppose it's possible that the pop of London is under 10% of the uk pop? In any case the numbers of BME people in the uk are really small, just concentrated in London, as you might expect. Shocking hmm

Personally, I think that ethnic, racial and cultural (yes they are all different things) diversity is fantastic for uk society and I welcome more of it. (Hence why I married and immigrant and spawned a BME baby I suppose...)

FivesGoldNorks Tue 11-Dec-12 18:29:18

Oh x post

FivesGoldNorks Tue 11-Dec-12 18:29:50

Erik there are areas of London where the figure is 90% non white

Ilovecoffeeandchocolate Tue 11-Dec-12 18:30:10

The ethnicity of immigrants is not relevant but 3.8 million over the last ten years is very high

HECTheHallsWithRowsAndFolly Tue 11-Dec-12 18:30:32

But it doesn't say that. It says 45% are white british. It does not indicate what the other 55% are. They could be non white british. or white immigrants. or non white immigrants.

Where do you get the idea that the other 55% are not white. It doesn't say that.

slambang Tue 11-Dec-12 18:30:42

My white-looking London-born British dcs are the children of a non white-looking non-British immigrant and have dual nationality with a non white, Muslim country. They could tick the white british box. They could tick the non white, asian. mixed or other box. All would be true.

The thing is if you walked past them in the street you wouldn't know. And why would you care?

maillotjaune Tue 11-Dec-12 18:31:44

I haven't read the detail yet, but the main article linked by the OP says fewer than half (45%) of people living in London are White British which is not what the thread title says.

OP presumably you have read it as you're shocked - what about White - Other? Like some of my family who 2/3 generations after coming over from Ireland would identify themselves as Irish not British, but are definitely White and wouldn't appear to be immigrants.

Does that bother you or is it just colour?

TandB Tue 11-Dec-12 18:31:57

Santa - I phrased that badly. I didn't mean that I thought caucasions were an ethnic minority, just that I didn't think we were anywhere near a situation where they weren't the clear majority, ie, bigger than all other ethnic groups put together.

TheCortanaThatStoleChristmas Tue 11-Dec-12 18:32:02

"half the people who live in London are white, i did not say 'not British'"

Can you immigrate to the country you were born in? Are you saying that rate of British immigrants to Britain is too high?

<makes the most before the thread goes poof>

maillotjaune Tue 11-Dec-12 18:32:30

X post with Hec - slow typing here this evening.

xkittyx Tue 11-Dec-12 18:33:24

I find the OP quite blatantly racist, to be honest. Shocked because people aren't white? Seriously?

gazzalw Tue 11-Dec-12 18:33:51

I'm not! Only 6/29 in DS's primary school class were white English and 10/30 in DD's class. At secondary school 15/30 are white English..

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