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To be loving the Liz Jone and India Knight Feud?

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Vagabond Tue 30-Oct-12 20:45:47

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2220669/Spouting-filth-s-VERY-strange-way-stick-free-speech.html

In which, middle class India Knight called la Liz everything under the sun on her nasty twitter diatribe of nonsense.

Schadenfreude, I know.

JustineMumsnet Belgium (MNHQ) Thu 22-Nov-12 22:33:52

BeerTricksPott3r

Oh Justine, this was a Zombie Thread until Sali popped up on it to defend a friend.
Who can't bring herself to post her own objections.

You'd call that one step away from Sockpuppeting if it were anyone else, you know you would.

I know what you're saying but not everyone knows about zombie threads. Just as likely that someone just sees the words, gets riled by and posts as is sockpuppeting.

Vagabond Thu 22-Nov-12 22:35:10

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BeerTricksPott3r Thu 22-Nov-12 22:39:10

Yes, if someone searches for things pertaining to themselves then they will likely find something, I agree.

Londonista1975 Thu 22-Nov-12 22:39:53

Justine, why are you getting involved with this thread?

Sorry, but I'm quite new to M.H so unsure of hierarchy (if there is one) And day to day monitoring. Do you all take shifts watching the threads? Or do you only comment on certain ones?

Vagabond Thu 22-Nov-12 22:45:48

let's just assume that this won't make any 'weekly round-up'. wink

BeerTricksPott3r Thu 22-Nov-12 22:47:20

Justine takes her Turn like any other MNHQer, I am sure wink

JustineMumsnet Belgium (MNHQ) Thu 22-Nov-12 22:48:52

Londonista1975

Justine, why are you getting involved with this thread?

Sorry, but I'm quite new to M.H so unsure of hierarchy (if there is one) And day to day monitoring. Do you all take shifts watching the threads? Or do you only comment on certain ones?

Honestly, because the duty person asked me to look at it. It must have been reported a bit and our duty person has had a heck of a full on day with one thing and another, so she's just a bit knackered. I don't do site duty any more (gave up that about 3 years ago) but I do stick my oar in get involved from time to time. We have a team of approx 8 community managers, led by the fair Helen, who do shifts - day and eve. I've been threatening to put their mugshots up and have duty person's one light up but so far they've resisted.

JustineMumsnet Belgium (MNHQ) Thu 22-Nov-12 22:49:41

BeerTricksPott3r

Yes, if someone searches for things pertaining to themselves then they will likely find something, I agree.

Well, don't we all...

Londonista1975 Thu 22-Nov-12 22:55:52

I thought it was something like that. Thanks for clarifying.

BupcakesAndCunting Fri 23-Nov-12 23:28:26

I know I can be an acid tongued barstard at times but I don't honestly think I said anything last night to Sali that warranted deletion.

She came on and resurrected an old thread to tell us we were nobs and I asked why she wouldn't apply the same criticism to her mate IK. Wasn't personal/insulting at all. Am feeling very hmm about the whole thing, actually. Like "oh the little people have upset the big people. Best delete"

Pathan, you do seem worryingly au fait with my bodily misfortunes. May I suggest "The Ailments and Fistulas of Bupcakes" as a Mastermind specialist subject, should you ever appear on the programme wink wine

Londonista1975 Fri 23-Nov-12 23:36:44

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BupcakesAndCunting Fri 23-Nov-12 23:38:48

Like I said, the little people aren't allowed to address the big people unless it's to lick their arses

SantasStrapOn Sat 24-Nov-12 03:38:24

Oh good heavens, I got deleted for calling them whiny? grin

BupcakesAndCunting Sat 24-Nov-12 08:42:59

Vereareyourpaperz?

Pinot Sat 24-Nov-12 10:45:43

Well as Sali had appeared at the recent blogfest thingy, I imagine Justine et al didn't want to then piss her off. She may not come and do the next one, IYSWIM. And she may use her column/FB group to slag off MN, and that then may take flight and may affect advertising income.

squoosh Sat 24-Nov-12 10:57:08

How have I missed the resurrection!

Proudnscary Sat 24-Nov-12 11:25:42

Good God HQ, I'm pretty amazed at your take on this one. You've got it wrong.

squoosh Sat 24-Nov-12 11:47:01

But isn't IK ever so lucky to have such defenders ready to swoop in and delete, delete, delete!

ooh I say! grin

Actually, I had better not say what I have to say, because it is possibly slanderous and libellous and then where would we be?

squoosh your post reminded me of daleks!

LadyBeagle Sat 24-Nov-12 12:23:20

Wow. just seen this thread.
WTF? Astral cream? When I was a lass Nivea was the way to go.
Oh and I agree with the many who think there are different rules on here for us little people who use your site regularly v famous Columnists.
And there were a lot of people angry about IK's comments on MH, which is a subject very personal and upsetting to many users on here.

BeerTricksPott3r Sat 24-Nov-12 13:10:20

I always found Stephanie Calman much funnier than India Knight.

Wonder what she's doing now?

Londonista1975 Sat 24-Nov-12 21:12:59

Pinot, I think you've nailed it.

BupcakesAndCunting Sun 25-Nov-12 11:13:37

You are going to get deleted into next year Beer.

JustineMumsnet Belgium (MNHQ) Mon 26-Nov-12 22:53:32

BupcakesAndCunting

I know I can be an acid tongued barstard at times but I don't honestly think I said anything last night to Sali that warranted deletion.

She came on and resurrected an old thread to tell us we were nobs and I asked why she wouldn't apply the same criticism to her mate IK. Wasn't personal/insulting at all. Am feeling very hmm about the whole thing, actually. Like "oh the little people have upset the big people. Best delete"

Pathan, you do seem worryingly au fait with my bodily misfortunes. May I suggest "The Ailments and Fistulas of Bupcakes" as a Mastermind specialist subject, should you ever appear on the programme wink wine

Since when is it a crime to resurrect an old thread though - that's just bizarre? Why on earth would you have unwritten rules that newbies wouldn't know about that allows a free for all? It's just excluding and unfriendly to new people which is something we try very hard to avoid.

Re little people vs big people what I think you mean is that we should apply different (harsher) rules to newspaper columnists re personal attacks than to MNetters who aren't columnists. And I don't really see why that should be the case? I's not a clear distinction anyway. Lots of people on here would fit into both categories which is another reason why we try to treat all posters and posts equally and not decide what's ok and what isn't depending on who's being talked about.

JustineMumsnet Belgium (MNHQ) Mon 26-Nov-12 23:13:09

Pinot

Well as Sali had appeared at the recent blogfest thingy, I imagine Justine et al didn't want to then piss her off. She may not come and do the next one, IYSWIM. And she may use her column/FB group to slag off MN, and that then may take flight and may affect advertising income.

I've never actually met Sali as it happens but of course I don't want to piss Sali off. Why would I? I don't want to piss anyone off!

I think it's perfectly valid to take issue with something someone says on here. We've never deleted fair criticism of anyone's views or actions, whether they're sitting next to me and doing in a webchat (Naomi Wolf, Maria Miller) or it's a thread about c**nting Sainsbury's and we're talking to their marketing director about advertising with us (that was fun!). We believe in free speech and letting the conversation flow.

It's perfectly valid to criticise what India Knight has written, as many people have recently on here. It's perfectly valid to tell a newbie (Sali) why you're cross with her mate, India. But why the need for all the personal attacks as well? Why the need to belittle her name? That's all I'm saying. You'd (quite rightly) expect us to delete attacks/ unpleasantness to a Mumsnetter if it was reported but if we delete attacks on a someone in the public eye when it's reported, it's because we're worried about revenue, all of a sudden.

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