to put my 7 year old back in nappies?(53 Posts)
She has an underactive bladder and is on 2 different medications, one of which is to stop her producing wee during the night. This worked for a month and she was completely dry at night for the first time ever however since starting back at school she has not had a single dry night wetting once or twice every night.
I have been told putting her back in nappies will affect her confidence but with the weather turning I can't keep up with the washing and drying especially on night's like last night when she wet both her quilts and her pillows.
Best wishes, you are doing all you can.
She will grow out of it.
I found double sheeting helped with changes.
Waterproof and sheet x two or three at our worst and we used a waterproof pillow protector too.
My wee one was fab she used to get up shower and change, strip the top layer and put it in the bath and go back to bed without waking me.
I wasn't suggesting you did those things Slightly - you sound like exactly the sort of mum I wish I'd had as a little girl.
I hope things get sorted for you both somehow.
Ask her - but I would be trying to persuade her to go back in pj pants
Thanks again for everyones views and advice. Put dd to bed at 8 did wee, teeth, wee, Bed. Just checked on her and she's wet the bed I just wanted to say when talking to dd I don't call them nappies I call them night knickers I also never ever tell her off, show I'm upset or frustrated. I always calm her, send her off to the toilet whilst I change the bed then clean her off tell her it doesn't matter and I love her. The only time I have ever told her off was when she started trying to hide her accidents by making the bed. She was told that was never acceptable, I love her and she could have hundreds of accidents and I wouldn't be cross or upset because it's not her fault but she must never ever hide it from me.
She also doesn't miss out on sleepovers because I speak to the parents (my friends) and they allow her to put her night nickers on and take them off somewhere private and safe
Invery I will go look at ERIC now and boomer I will also look for kylies.
When we are back at the hospital I will ofcorse be asking for the meds to be reviewed but right now I'm just trying to muddle along as best I can.
I wanted to let you know what worked for us. Our child of a similar age has a similar problem.
Small bladder, over active bladder, not emptying bladder fully (weak muscles) and not producing hormone that reduces urine output at night.
We found oxybutinin taken in the morning worked best although it was suggested it was given at night.
We withheld fluids from 6pm (sips only if very thirsty) but gave at least 1000ml during the day.
We gave desmopressin at 7pm (pee) bed at 8pm (pee).
Then against advice from urology clinic I lifted her at 10.30 - 11pm before I went to bed. Like you I couldn't face all the washing.
I felt she had to break the habit of voiding (peeing) unconciously.
Now a year on we have stopped the desmopressin (presume you have the same or similar meds) and the lifting and only have occasional accidents and mostly just wets her pyjammas before she catches herself.
We did stop the oxybutinin when we forgot to take it on holiday and the bed wetting started again so I went back to the beginning - both meds and lifting for a month.
If she does have a drink late I lift her.
I wet the bed until I was a teenager. It was awful. I still remember my dad making me wear a nappy aged about 8 - it was so humiliating.
I had no idea that I had wet the bed until I woke up, all I wanted was some reassurance it would eventually be ok, but I wasn't allowed to wake mum up so would spend the rest of the night trying to keep warm under the bit of quilt that was dry and trying to stay off the wet bit of sheet. Then in the morning I would take my bedding downstairs and wait to be told off again by mum.
My brother on the other hand was taken to the doctor and had alarms etc.
I appreciate it must be hard for parents dealing with kids who wet the bed, but from the child's point of view it is embarrassing, you can't tell anyone at school, can't go on sleepovers, and you feel so frustrated because there is nothing you can do about it.
I wish I'd had parents who had explained it was medical and who hadn't punished me.
Hmm, I've written a very me, me, me post - I just wanted to try to explain from a child's pov.
I agree with boom kylies are really good
Honestly, I would talk it through with your DD and her consultant.
DS1 had the same problem, and because it wasn't down to his sleep patterns - we didn't go down the alarm route. He just stayed in Pyjama pants until he was dry. He was 11 years 1 month when he finally started having dry nights, literally overnight - and over a year on, he hasn't had a wet night since.
I agree that medication needs to be looked at, but in the mean time my suggestion is buy some kylies (approx £10-£15 each from incontinence websites) and let your child sleep either nude from the waist down or wearing pants that can easily be removed. The kylie will do a good job of keeping the urine off the body and off the bed and is easy to swiftly change without disturbing sleep too much. Use a layer over the top like a thick sheet that isn't tucked in so that can be easily removed and replaced also.
Since the wetting is solely down to medication, treat this as a necessary task and give plenty of reassurance until you are both used to it and don't see it as an issue.
Oh and scma there is a children's forum bit on Eric where your dd can see how many children are affected by wetting etc. sometimes it helps them to know they are not alone. Hope things get better for you both soon
And manucinsomniac an occasional wet bed is different and I'm assuming not a medical issue in your house?
For a child with wetting or soiling issues their self esteem is nonexistent anyway due to the secretive manner in which this issue is discussed (or not) and dealt with. To make the suggestion you have, would seem to suggest you have no real experience of the OP's situation.
Have you tried the ERIC website? My daughters problem is soiling not wetting but had the same issue re pull-ups when she was 5. I felt it would harm her self esteem which was rock bottom anyway but the constant accidents were also mortifying for her - rock & hard place! In the end she did wear them on really bad days/nights but we didn't call them pull-ups because of the babyish connotations. It's really really hard as people don't talk about bowel and bladder issues and so kids are even more embarassed.
Bigwheel dd isn't due back for a few months unfortunately.
Grim dd takes two bottles of drink into school now, one for morning one for afternoon which her teacher is fab about reminding her to drink. I don't agree with coke so she doesn't get it very often or more than a small glass. She does have a cup off tea on a sat/sunday morning.
I will try doing double wee's at night and see if that helps. I spoke to dd Friday and explained I'm struggling and asked if we could put her back in her special night knickers. As expected she got very upset and I told her it completely up to her. If she wanted I would by more sheets and covers. She's worried about what her friends will think so we are going to keep trying till half term sob
Moel I'm sorry for your experiences bladder problems are no-ones fault and a child should never ever feel bad for having an accident no matter how annoying it is for the adult!
You're all such fab parents. My own mother beat me severely every day for bed-wetting. I have a bladder issue but was never taken to a doctor. I was 13 before things improved.
I think you're all wonderful for being so caring.
have you done the increasing fluid intake during the day, avoiding red and brown drinks like ribena and cola, to stretch bladder and thus increase volume that can be held? get teacher onside to remind her to drink lavishly during school hours and thrust a drink into her hand at pick up time
do you do wee/teeth/wee at night (double-voiding)?
I am surprised you are lifting/dream weeing, not recommended IIRC
finally, is she constipated - this can put pressure on the bladder
I thought it was really common up till about 6 or 7? All the stuff I've read says that if the hormone hasn't kicked in, then all the alarms and waking them up to wee won't work.
My dd (6) wears pull ups and always soaks it - often to the point where it leaks - so we use an aquasolari bed pad on top of regular mattress protector and sheet (sorry can't link you'll have to google). It's great. Soft, not crunchy, not too sweaty (tho not same as cotton) and dries quickly on radiator in winter.
We've just been referred to enuresis clinic but I'm not planning on taking off the pull ups for a while.
manicinsommniac I'm not sure you could describe being put back in nappies against her will as a "little knock to self-esteem", more likely a humiliating and demoralising experience, at an age (and with a medical condition) where self-esteem could well be low anyway. I know it was for me and I was a little younger. I would wash any number of times a day to spare my dd feeling like this if she preferred to avoid nappies at that age. But hey-ho, each to their own. I'm just glad that my mother didn't view things as you do.
Could you not go and see your gp and get her dose increased?
Firstly she needs to be reassured that this is because of her medical condition & not something she is in control of.
So vwhatever lessens the impact of her condition on all of you is the way to go, if that means some form of nightime incontinence pants then thats fine.
Explain the options & let her chose.
I would, explain to her the dry nights are designed to help children who have wet wetting problems, like her and it will be better than wet knickers, bed ect.
My ds is 6 and still in dry nights
Hmmm, tricky one but I think, depending on your circumstances, I probably disagree with everyone else and would use the pull ups regardless of what your daughter thinks of them.
I get the occasional wet bed from my children and even that is a pain, especially as a full time working single mum. If I had to go through it every night there's no way I'd keep up.
So, unfortunately, if it were my daughter, she would have to suck it up and take a little knock to her self esteem to make life worth living. I'm sure there are ways of making the pull ups seem more palatable (like the secret knickers terminology someone used above)
If on the other hand you are a SAHM or have a husband to share the load then I'd be more inclined to go down the washing route.
My dd 10yrs is also on oxy and desmo and currently is wearing pull ups as she is suffering from having constant broken sleep which is effecting her at school. We are due back to see the consultant in November to look into yet another medication ( I have held off as think that what she is taking is bad enough). My daughter was the one who asked to wear the pull ups as she felt really tired at school, she can wet up to three times a night. The amount of washing is pretty horrendous when she isn't wearing pull ups and believe me when I say that we have tried the alarms, changing fluid intake etc etc. No doubt she will grow out of it sooner or later. Ask your daughter what she wants to do.
I've got several of these for my toddler to stop her mattress from getting a soaking from leaking night nappies
Not hot, sweaty or rustly. IMO you can't actually tell its on the bed
I've also got a few of these I put under her to hopefully catch the worst before the bed sheets get it. I slept on one when I was heavily pregnant and again, not hot, rustly, sweaty, nor does it move around the bed
I've washed both plenty of times on a 60 degree wash and also tumble dried for good measure and they're still going strong
Also, if you can get your hands on a 3 tog duvet- M&S sell them but ££ they fit in a normal washing machine, wash well on a 60 degree wash and tumble dry nicely as well
Ideas for your dd??
The alarm didn't work for my DS. He slept right through it and it only woke me up. In the end I started dreaming that the buzzer was going off!
He is now in his early twenties and still has not had a dry night without medication. He is on oxybutinin and desmopressin and these do seem to work most of the time. If I am feeling well enough next spring, we will try to see if he can manage without his meds during a sunny period (for getting vast amounts of washing dry).
I'm rubbish at linking, but google incontinence Kylies. They are fabric bed pads with rubber backing. We used them for years with DD... in fact she still sleeps with one on her bed now, age 13, because she has the odd accident because of her epilepsy.
You can just chuck the kylie in the wash in the morning, with nightwear.
I always have a plastic sheet on the bed too, in case of really massive wees, but more often than not, the kylie sufficed.
I wet my bed until I was around 11, due to my bladder not growing (although I've just spotted the post about tonsilitus, which is very interesting and fits in vaguely with my bedwetting history). My mum never made a fuss about the washing, for which I am eternally glad. I was crippled with embarrassment every morning when I woke up in my wet bed.
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