to think cafe's should stay open for tea?

(59 Posts)
OwlLady Wed 03-Oct-12 16:17:54

surely they are missing a trick?

they all seem to close at about 4pm and I quite often think it would be nice to take the children to a cafe for tea

and yes, I live on the outskirts of a market town where everything seems to close too bloody early anyway

TabbyM Thu 04-Oct-12 14:34:46

Sadly in this city the 2 independent coffee places that opened till 10 are now only open till 6.30. I work a normal 9-5 and it is great to socialise over tea and cake after work, I never understand all the places in town that shut at 3.30 or 4, or won't sell you lunch after 2. Mind you in rural Sctoland you are stuffed as nowhere is ever open late afternoons.

I miss Insomnia in Glasgow, purveyor of tea, cake and coffee to students and arty types

DaveMccave Thu 04-Oct-12 10:19:18

We have them in my local city, but the greasy spoon types in my town all shut at 2 or 2.30. They all sell sandwiches to people at work, and all day breakfasts to builders in general... I used to work in one and there just wasn't many people in after office lunch time. Breakfast was the busiest time. I often think it's a shame too. I occasionally resort to wetherspoons for cheap, healthy kids meals if out and about and I don't want to get fast food.

OwlLady Thu 04-Oct-12 09:59:03

I don't know about not making enough money, I was specifically thinking that I would take the children for something to eat, so a dinner, a nice nutritious meal instead of some fried rubbish from McDonald's or something from a pub. I think it's such a shame with a culture in this country that an evening meal always has to be in a licensed establishment.

I do understand about hours and pay etc. I am not having a dig at anyone,

Annunziata Wed 03-Oct-12 19:56:07

An extra three hours wages for 3 people for another 3 hours is at least £36 a night (£250 a week. £1000 a month)... And then add in the extra utilities the staff and customers would be using. They're eyewatering just now. You don't make much of it out of £1 cups of tea.

It's is not so easy to get the staff for these shifts. You can't run a business on students and 6th formers, you need someone there to lock up, to have on hand if anything goes wrong. It's awful for small businesses just now.

agnesf Wed 03-Oct-12 19:48:44

Sorry in last post did not just mean that "I" am at work - I meant I in common with other working people am at work.

agnesf Wed 03-Oct-12 19:44:12

I agree with OP. I can see that some cafes might want to be open early to catch the breakfast trade but we don't live near a truck stop and there are plenty of places builders could get a sausage roll (Greggs for example grin).

In fact I don't know why all the shops in our town don't do a late opening night once a week. they compain that trade is dying but surely part of it is because for 95% of the time they are open I am at work or doing things that working parents have to do on Saturdays such as taking children to football matches/ washing etc.

If they had late opening once a week then I could buy my veg at the green grocer/ shoes at the local shoe shop/ meat at the local butcher and have tea at the local cafe. Instead I go to Tescos. They could compensate for staying open late by opening late that day.

I don't really get the difficult/ expensive to get staff argument. All of these shops employ staff anyway and if the regular staff don't want to work late surely there are students/ 6th formers who'd be happy to do a part time job.

thebody Wed 03-Oct-12 19:41:05

Yes I agree but I suppose its a business decision. If they thought it was worth their whole then they would.

EvenBetter Wed 03-Oct-12 19:41:00

Ugh, I work in a cafe and 5:00 can't come fast enough!
Staff have been working since 8am, being fake nice to people who for the most part talk to you like you're scum, we have to start cleaning for close 2 hours before closing time etc.
If I had the prospect of being there till night time or doing a split shift I would leave and work in a clothes shop or something.

At least 2 minimum wage staff=£12 per hour
Kitchen staff=more money per hour
Plus electricity etc.

They might get customers but everyone who works there would be missing out on their own lives, which HatLady says, is something a lot of us are unwilling to do.

P.s. Please put your money into staff's hand, not lobbed onto the bar for us with sore joints to scramble after!

RuleBritannia Wed 03-Oct-12 19:39:34

How I feel for the smaller traders in competition with Starbucks, Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, Costa somethng and the others. They should just not be allowed to trade in this country,. Let's get back to being Great Britain. Yes, I've had a wine but that's when our true feelings come out.

CelstialNavigation Wed 03-Oct-12 19:35:07

We had a cafe in our city which was "closed for lunch" on a daily basis. At lunchtime. I don't know if it opened in the evenings. It appears to have gone out of business..

GrimmaTheNome Wed 03-Oct-12 19:34:55

>dont cafes open early though?
It depends what sort of cafe. The teashop-country-walk sort I think typically opens 10 or 10:30 for coffee.

YouMayLogOut Wed 03-Oct-12 19:33:15

YANBU. Afternoon tea and cake is a fantastic English tradition and that's exactly when cafes should be open!

nailak Wed 03-Oct-12 19:32:42

dont cafes open early though? i remember getting fry ups on the way back from nights out, so before 6 am, and there would always be taxi drivers and stuff in them.

Dancergirl Wed 03-Oct-12 19:30:30

It was SAUSAGES and chips in The Tiger who came to tea (and ice cream)! smile

CaseyShraeger Wed 03-Oct-12 19:29:12

A family member owns a cafe. They are up and in work at stupid o'clock every morning to start the baking, then open fairly early for breakfast. Once they have closed at around 4.30 they are around for an hour or so more clearing up and cleaning, so they work a 12-hour-plus day most of the time. Staff are a huge overhead so they do as much of the work as possible themselves (also, where they are I doubt there'd be that much trade after 4.30 so the few people who did come in would have to eat a LOT of cake to justify the additional staff costs).

NameChangeGalore Wed 03-Oct-12 19:28:46

We have an cafe/ice cream palour that's open until 11pm everyday. They make absolutely delectable ice cream waffles after 6pm. A waffle, with your favourite ice cream on top with cream and a sprinkle of almonds and caramel sauce. Sometimes we go there after dinner on the weekend for a coffee or ice cream.

If you ever come to my city, this is one place you HAVE to visit.

Same here, market town, we have Costa and Nero but those only have a very limited food selection of horrible prepacked stuff which they've probably run out of by then anyway. Our only food chain is Subway which is vile. The sports centre cafe stays open till about 7 but is 20 mins walk from town centre. We do have good independent cafes but all close by about 4.30.

Annunziata Wed 03-Oct-12 19:15:35

It's impossible to keep these places going though, supermarkets have killed off a lot of custom with multi buy offers and big packets of sweets and crisps for a pound.

Plus utility bills and stock are eyewatering at the minute. Then wages. Then insurance. Then tax.

GrimmaTheNome Wed 03-Oct-12 19:11:19

Its a real downer if you've been for a long walk and want a nice teashop at the end - the sort which abound in walking areas - to find its closed. Nowadays I suppose the pub will be open but I need a pot or mug of tea after a walk. And possibly a cake.

margerykemp Wed 03-Oct-12 18:53:27

this is why i live in the city grin

OwlLady Wed 03-Oct-12 18:52:17

hang, not hand!

can i just say i am not having a go at cafe owners, i am just sad I can't use them early evening when i have the desire to smile

OwlLady Wed 03-Oct-12 18:51:35

there are 6000 in my market town and we have bunting up and everything <rolls eyes>

we don't have anything commercial at all apart from a supermarket

it's all very country living magazine tbh. They even hand rabbits and pheasants freshly shot, outside the butchers

frankie4 Wed 03-Oct-12 18:45:02

A chain cafe will normally be open long hours all day as it is paying staff to run it. Individual family run businesses can't normally do this as they have to be there themselves when open as can't afford to pay staff to keep it open when they are not there. So difficult to compete, which is why so many are closing down sad

frankie4 Wed 03-Oct-12 18:41:33

I worked in a cafe that opened at 7am for breakfasts. This meant leaving home at 6am. Then when we closed at 4pm it took about an hour to finish off cleaning the coffee machines, fridges etc so rarely left before 5pm - a long day!

BrianButterfield Wed 03-Oct-12 18:33:39

Market town = rural town, population 10,000 (the one I work in), main road shuts one day a week for the market, about four surnames, everyone knows everyone else, nearest McDonald's or cinema is 15 miles away, nearest Starbucks 30 miles away. Am sure an application to open a chain would be regarded with the deepest suspicion, especially one that sells noodles.

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