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to say the egg came first.

(33 Posts)
McHappyPants2012 Thu 19-Jul-12 22:34:22

Because where would the chicken came from in the first place

fireice Sat 21-Jul-12 08:16:12

If anyone isnt sure about how evolution works this book and this one explain it really well.

Is the new series of QI on yet? I've been waiting for the J series.

StrandedBear Fri 20-Jul-12 19:00:22

You clearly haven't understood evolution if you think it was the chicken first.

xDivAx Fri 20-Jul-12 18:47:00

And to add, any basic understanding of Darwin's theory of evolution and you would know that the egg came first, obviously most already agree with that statement (Unless you are a creationist, then you are bound to believe that the chicken came first).

Personally, I'm with Darwin.

xDivAx Fri 20-Jul-12 18:44:15

<Wondering, if the OP or anyone else on the thread watched QI the other night>

Anniegetyourgun Fri 20-Jul-12 10:39:11

Ah, that was it, sashh, not a cartoon at all blush

Memory of a...

but strawberry couldn't 2 non-chickens have a mutation at conception, which turns out to be a chicken, when it hatches from it's egg? So it's the egg that came first.

The question isn't what came first, the chicken or the chicken egg? If the very first chicken hatches from an egg (which presumably it must have done), then the egg came first.

HecateHarshPants Fri 20-Jul-12 09:13:01

So... what came first, the dinosaur/reptile or the egg

the fish grin

sashh Fri 20-Jul-12 08:44:23

A chicken and an egg are in bed.
The chicken is smoking a cigarette.
The egg says "well we've settled that one"

strawberrybubblegum Fri 20-Jul-12 08:42:04

Clearly dinosaur eggs came before either chickens or chicken eggs, but I think the posts saying that 'how could a chicken come from a non-chicken egg' have it the wrong way round.

For any particular mutation (e.g. creating an extra protein in your eggs), the mutation happens at conception, when the new individual's dna is put together.

So, 2 non-mutant parents (i.e. dna says no protein in the egg) create an offspring with the mutation (who will have protein when it comes to make it's own egg). So, the chicken (or whatever mutation it is) comes before the chicken egg (manifestation of the mutation).

Still the egg (see mutant ancestor argument)

Weasleyismyking Fri 20-Jul-12 08:28:12

So... what came first, the dinosaur/reptile or the egg? wink

kayano are they organic chicken and eggs?

HecateHarshPants Fri 20-Jul-12 07:26:17

Yeah, I'm fairly sure the dinosaur came first grin

GateGipsy Fri 20-Jul-12 06:59:02

Yes I'm with the egg first. You can't change species in the middle of your life. If you're born a chicken, you'll always be a chicken. You don't start out life as say a woodpecker and then half way through suddenly turn into a chicken.

Just like you don't start out life as a distant ancestor of both chimpanzees and humans, and then suddenly around the age of 13 find you've suddenly turned into homo sapien, while your best friend is now a chimpanzee.

Instead it happens gradually over millions and millions of years. And that evolution applies to the enzymes we use. The chicken's ancestor didn't suddenly get a whole enzyme that created chicken eggs. Slowly but surely a little bit at a time the chicken evolved and at some point along the way, the way it produces eggs evolved at the same time. But at some point, that chicken HAD to be an egg first. It just can't work the other way around.

Chickens evolved from reptiles and reptiles lay eggs. So the egg came first.

Weasleyismyking Fri 20-Jul-12 00:22:42

Depends which way along the street you're walking...

RiaSponsorsTheOlympics Fri 20-Jul-12 00:14:32

OP - yes, something genetically very similar to a chicken laid an egg with a new genetic mutation, out of which came the first chicken. The egg is basically part of the chick embryo, how could a chicken come from a non-chicken egg?

Anniegetyourgun Thu 19-Jul-12 23:43:16

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once... a chicken lying back in bed, lighting up a cigarette with a satisfied expression on its beak, while a grouchy looking egg next to it grumbles, "Well now we know the answer to THAT question". (Or they may have been the other way round, I don't remember for sure. But I can't really imagine how an egg would light a cigarette.)

Kayano Thu 19-Jul-12 23:37:28

agnostic don't really give a shit

eats chicken and eggs

Kayano Thu 19-Jul-12 23:36:17

The chicken came first

God created animals
Not eggs

RiaSponsorsTheOlympics Thu 19-Jul-12 23:34:55

grin Tanith!

Tanith Thu 19-Jul-12 23:32:20

Surely the Cockerel came first? confused

howah Thu 19-Jul-12 23:05:33

oh... i see you have already come to that conclusion. I will go to bed now. blush

howah Thu 19-Jul-12 23:04:46

The egg came first. Whatever laid the first chicken egg may have been a forefather of a chicken, but not necessarily a chicken.

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