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To wish people wouldn't call schools shit or....

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seeker Sun 17-Jun-12 09:05:48

....shitholes or really horrible words like that? There are good and bad schools, but they all have children in them and at least some teachers who are doing their best.

valiumredhead Sun 17-Jun-12 10:55:07

No, I think some kids can learn in any environment IF the teaching is good. My experience is that some teachers are dire and the kids couldn't learn a thing.

Mrsjay Sun 17-Jun-12 10:56:37

That mustve been really difficult to deal with valium Teachers shouldnt be dire should they

valiumredhead Sun 17-Jun-12 11:11:32

It was truly awful mrsjay and moving ds was the best thing we ever did.

Mrsjay Sun 17-Jun-12 11:24:14

thats great he has settled into a new school smile

ColouringIn Sun 17-Jun-12 12:09:27

Gosh! JoseohineCD is one bitter soul isn't she?

I went to a crappy school......right throughout the Thatcher era. My son in contrast (Labour era) has amazing support (SN).

The issue is not this or any other Govt but the attitude of a society which does not value anyone "not quite like us dahling".

Hence the school down the road is deemed "shit" and condemned - along with the CHILDREN (we are talking about children here). Then they wonder why whole sections of society are "written off" and NEET.

Quelle surprise!

The NEET group isn't just connected to schools, though.

It the realisation that there isn't work to go to in the region and the parents don't instil ambition, or the child doesn't have the skills to consider country/world wide employment.

That and the gang/drug lifestyle/money making grips them early.

I do think that strategies are needed for the problems that particular areas have. In my area the male interest in educationis lost early and i wonder if schools offered mechanics or music lessons if that would counter act that,but that takes a change in curriculum.

In my close area (my own children go to school further away), no children, terally are leaving with French etc qualifications, the curriculums are not flexable enough.

Just to add the Local Youth Group were making progress with the 'lads' who hung round the streets, in offering music lessons, that was the first budget to go in the cuts.

The club specified that the 'Lads' couldn't go smelling of weed etc and it did seem to make a diffence for a while on anti social behaviour.

Areas can fall into 'shit holes' and then the school can follow through (i don't agree with that label).

HelenKR Tue 22-Jan-13 07:06:54

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Pagwatch Tue 22-Jan-13 07:15:07

I went to a shit school by which I mean a school where a chunk of the children spent the whole time frightened, where discipline was so poor any classes contained little or no actual teaching and where a substantial number of pupils (including me) massively under performed.
We were not required to join in lessons unless we felt inspired to. Spelling was considered restrictive - what we wanted to say was more important than how we said it. <rolls eyes>>

Oh the joy of a 1970 comprehensive.

delboysfileofax Tue 22-Jan-13 07:31:01

Helen- so you're a firm like a4e then? How much taxpayers money are you taking to run this, and more importantly are youngsters going to be forced to attend your business at any point in the future?

TheOriginalSteamingNit Tue 22-Jan-13 07:32:18

Yes, I went to what I think was a pretty shitty school 1989-1994. Not especially 'shit' children, hmm but a general laissez fare attititude, no reward for achievement, ever, lots of insidious bullying (that PE teacher in KEs? Like that).

So yeah it was shitty in a lot of ways and I had a shitty time, but I wouldn't refer to a school now, as an adult, where children now go, as a shit school.

Also the school I went to got put into special measure sharpish and wasn't allowed to get away with being so shitty any more. After 1997.

Pagwatch Tue 22-Jan-13 07:44:14

The trouble is that when I was at my shit school everyone wanted to talk about it as being fine. So I spent many years unable to understand why, if this school was fine and dandy, I hated the lessons I had previously loved and had to spend break times hiding in the toilets.

Sixth form gave me a taste of normal schooling again and I loved it.
Tbh I resent the fact that a chunk of us were patted onthe head and told 'oh but it's fine. It's just a school with challenges and many of the teachers are working really hard'. It just made me feel not good enough - I blamed myself.
So yes, a proprtion of teachers were great. But a sizeable chunk weren't. It was still a shit school.
I am not sure how it helps me to think it was actually a great school.
It is still there, being shit and getting terrible results.
Are the pupils like me, getting a crap education through no fault of there own helped if we say it's actually a fine school.
I am not sure tbh.

Flisspaps Tue 22-Jan-13 07:45:04

Helen - people will miss your post as they will reply to the OP.

Tailtwister Tue 22-Jan-13 07:51:48

I think there are schools which give the children an overall 'shit' education. It's not down to the teachers, but a lack of discipline from the pupils which is initiated and supported by their parents. It's impossible to teach a class of 30 children who are badly behaved, no matter how good you are. Consequently, teachers become exhausted and disillusioned, go off sick or change schools, there's a high staff turnover and stream of different supply teachers. It goes on and on.

Once a school gets a bad reputation then it's very hard to turn around. People understandably don't want to send their children there and if they can afford it move or go private. Social engineering prevails and the downwards spiral continues.

I don't think schools or pupils are 'shit' in themselves, but it's usually at home with the parents where the rot starts. We have a 'shit' school near us and you see parents shouting and swearing at their children on the school run every day. By the time these kids are in P1 their language and general behaviour hampers them at every turn.

discorabbit Tue 22-Jan-13 07:55:13

old thread alert, helen you have to pay to advertise on here

Tailtwister Tue 22-Jan-13 07:56:14

Oops, so it is discorabbit! Caught out again...

Pagwatch Tue 22-Jan-13 07:58:00

Offs!

Fucking zombie threads.

Helen. Pay the bloody fees and don't bump ancient threads.

BoringSchoolChoiceNickname Tue 22-Jan-13 08:04:56

Oh I just reported and was a bit nice about it. If I realised she was a zombie as well as a spammer I'd have been harsher.

KhallDrogo Tue 22-Jan-13 08:30:48

The kids with behavioural problems generally have emotional problems,edocal problems or SEN. They are nor shit

I agree, effective leadership is paramount

Pagwatch Tue 22-Jan-13 08:43:51

ZOMBIE THREAD!

thegreylady Tue 22-Jan-13 08:57:45

The best homes can compensate in many ways for the worst of schools however the reverse is never true.
A school is 'bad' for many reasons but, ultimately it ie the senior management team which can change the ethos of a school

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Tue 22-Jan-13 11:22:04

Seriously some of you don't take one look at a child/teen and think they'll end up in prison before they're 30, did you not even do that when you were a student your self? Some schools are shit thanks to disinterested, ineffective staff and bored,disruptive pupils

There were 4 lads in my year, very rough start to life, always disruptive, started fights, made trying to learn anything impossible, were expelled frequently... They have all spent time in prison since leaving school and no one who knows them was surprised... One of them is now trying to make something of himself the other three will be back in prison soon judging be the look of things

NothingIsAsBadAsItSeems Tue 22-Jan-13 11:23:58

<suddenly realises that this thread was posted last year> blush

KhallDrogo Tue 22-Jan-13 18:18:14

I think some children have a shit start in life, a shit family and shit schooling.

But it isn't those kids that make a school a 'shit-hole'

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