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to think teachers and schools do a fooking amazing job, and to be stunned and disgusted that they get such unnecessary arse-ache from ridiculous parents?

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bejeezus · 22/03/2012 13:57

Im despairing of the amount of AIBU threads recently along the lines of- teachers shouldnt be telling my dc to go to bed early/ shouldnt be promoting 100% attendance blah blah blah

I understand there are other routes to adulthood besides main-stream education. But whilst you do use mainstream education you should understand what a difficult job it is for schools and teachers to educate groups of 30 children and maintain discipline, if those children are late/absent/tired and if the parents are constantly undermining the teachers/schools authority.

Schools have a whole diversity of families and children to accomodate including children with English as a 2nd/3rd language,social problems,SENs, disabilities and a whole range of abilities to cater for within each class. The last thing they need on top of this is spending valuable time and resources accomodating whiney-arsed parents who think the rules should not apply to them because they are in some way 'special'; ie. they are educated and rich and capable of home tutoring to facilitate an extended trip and absence from school. Ifthat isthe case, then do your home schooling and free up the schoolplace for a child that is not going to disrupt the class by extended absences/lateness and duvet days.

And, no, having your childrens lead an enriched and cultured lifestyle does not constitute a valid excuse for lateness and tiredness. Get your kids to bed on time so the teachers have the best chance of getting the best education to the most kids

There are very many countries and cultures where only1 child per family is educated (at best) because the family cannot afford more. This is almost always not a daughter

Its appalling. Education is a priviledge. What chance in hell do teachers have of getting kids to appreciate that, if the parents insisted on taken it for granted.

And finally, big-up to the teachers on here. You do a grand job, in the face of lunacy!

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scrablet · 22/03/2012 13:58
Smile
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Starwisher · 22/03/2012 13:59

Maybe if you actually got to grips with these threads you wouldn't have misunderstood them so spectacularly

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TheCunningStunt · 22/03/2012 14:01

YANBU. I agree totally. So many threads about this that and the other. Teachers look after DS 6 hours a day...I take my hat off to themGrin

It actually saddens me reading some threads. About sats? Is that what you have in England? All this pressure on such young kids....exams in Scotland happen at gsce level. It's madness I tell ye

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bejeezus · 22/03/2012 14:02

yes, you starwisher. You are 1 of the whiney arsed parents i refer to

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ABatInBunkFive · 22/03/2012 14:06

*some teachers

Same as everything else they are not all fantastic and it's crap to expect people to accept the rubbish dished out from some just because in other countries it is different.

Is education in the UK a priviledge really here was me thinking we paid for it either privetely or through taxes. Eating is a priviledge is some parts of the world, doesn't mean i'd tell some one they should be happy getting a MOULDY SANDWICH FROM GREGGS JUST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE NO FOOD. [HMM]

ffs!

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TheCunningStunt · 22/03/2012 14:06

You might want a hard had opGrin

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ABatInBunkFive · 22/03/2012 14:07

Oops cps lock got stuck i wasn't intentionally shouting

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Floggingmolly · 22/03/2012 14:16

Completely agree. What point is she missing, Starwisher? Maybe you could spell it out clearly for all those who appear to have misunderstood?

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tethersend · 22/03/2012 14:16

I am a teacher and don't believe that our education system is beyond reproach just because it's better than in some other countries. That's absurd.

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bejeezus · 22/03/2012 14:17

I heard the 'its different in other cultures' given on 1 of the other threads, as a reason for NOT adhering to school protocols- because 'other ways' work in other countries, so why should we stick to the rules here

Of course we shouldnt tolerate 'crap teachers' or where a teacher has been inappropriate. But I DO think we should respect school/ LA protocol- because you CANT pander to every parent because some are ridiculous What schools do, is try to accomodate every STUDENT.

Imsuprised that more parents dont trust their schools and teachers and see thm as allies- they are not the enemy. They want your child to achieve as much as you do- whether you think that is for league tables or not- I personally think teachers are concerned for individuals rather than league tables- but the goalis the same

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tethersend · 22/03/2012 14:17

100% attendance awards at primary school for example, are a load of old bollocks.

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bejeezus · 22/03/2012 14:18

dont need a hard hat cunning - I have a live chainsaw in my hand Grin

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tethersend · 22/03/2012 14:19

Good point about teachers' status and being seen as the enemy, though bejeezus.

Boffinmum writes very well on this issue.

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TheCunningStunt · 22/03/2012 14:20

I agree about attendance. Kids get ill period. It can't be helped.

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Starwisher · 22/03/2012 14:20

She is referring to a thread I started about thinking its unfair OFSTED place such importance on attendance that is actually effects league tables

I clearly state this is unfair on parents, the children and teachers. It's unrealistic and stressful as people get, well, ill

There is not criticism of teachers

As well as that there is no one saying 100% is not aspirational at all on the thread, just it's not pressured
Being a bit dozy though the op thinks this in an attack on teachers

I think she has just misunderstood

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 22/03/2012 14:21

YABU. Not ALL schools and ALL teachers do an outstanding job. Some, maybe even many do a good job. Some of them dont even do a mediocre job.

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Portofino · 22/03/2012 14:23

YANBU!

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picnicbasketcase · 22/03/2012 14:24

Agreed tethersend - schools should not reward children for having had the good fortune to be well all year, or for having parents who won't let them have a day off when they are ill - often then making other ill in the process.

I also don't think it's a headteacher's place to dictate what bedtime a child should have. It's one thing to say 'you shouldn't stay up too late', another for an HT to say 'All of you should be in bed by 7.30.'

Having said that, I do have great respect for the job teachers do, having seen the stress and pressure they are under and the workload they have. You don't have to agree with every thing a school and its teachers says and does to still respect them.

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bigbuttons · 22/03/2012 14:26

Some teachers do and amazing ob, some teachers do a good enough job some are rubbish. The same goes with schools.

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tethersend · 22/03/2012 14:26

It's particularly farcical to reward primary aged children for something their parents do.

But that's another thread that I have argued on endlessly Wink

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ThreeLittlePandas · 22/03/2012 14:27

Can we have a little cheer for teaching assistants too please. They tirelessly slave away in the back ground yet are often forgotten.

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Hoebag · 22/03/2012 14:28

I agree that education is a privilege and should be treated as such.

However it unreasonable to expect that children are all treated the same with no exceptional circumstances.
I was a very tired child this wasn't because my mum kept me out all hours but my sisters disability cause large problems during the night aswell as me being a young carer. from being 5
I was made to feel like I was 'expecting special treatment' when explaining how getting homework done, decent bedtime wasnt an option. I was made to feel like that by incompetent, uneducated and ignorant teachers.
YABU.

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bejeezus · 22/03/2012 14:31

I don't always agree with what the teachers do/say. But I would NOT undermine their judgement/authority for something small. I trust them. And its important that my dc know I trust them and know that we are working together for their best interests.

I would not be wasting any teachers time either an arguement because she had told the class they should go to bed at a reasonable time. How are they supposed to get down to the nutty gritty if they are trying to field an ocean of guff like that?!

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Bucharest · 22/03/2012 14:36

YANBU.

I don't tell my dentist how to sort my child's teeth out.
I don't tell my paediatrician how to cure her illnesses.

Yet, apparently, I have free reign to diss the people to whom I entrust her for (hopefully) 13-14 yrs just because I think I know better.

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lazylula · 22/03/2012 14:41

I do think teachers do get a bad ride on here sometimes and having worked in a classroom setting I sometimes find myself biting my tongue with some of the parents at ds1's school when they are moaning ect. That said I do find the whole 100% attendance thing a pain as I do think it encourages some parents to send their child in regardless (especially after bouts of sickness).

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