to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

(647 Posts)
grovel Wed 20-Jul-11 15:21:33

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

fedupofnamechanging Wed 20-Jul-11 15:22:15

YANBU

YADNBU.

DaisyHayes Wed 20-Jul-11 15:28:37

Harman has worked hard for womens' rights for many years. Despite always getting it in the neck from bloody everyone.

I'm not saying that she's super-likeable (she might be, I dunno - couldn't say - not having met her personally) or that we should all put her on our dream supper party list.

But for this, I am grateful.

grovel Wed 20-Jul-11 15:31:40

The fact that she champions the cause is commendable. But I suspect her style damages her effectiveness.

JosieRosie Wed 20-Jul-11 15:36:26

To me, she's always been one of the very few politicians who is in it for the right reasons - she really wants to make a difference and to make women's lives better. No, she doesn't come across as particularly likeable on TV and I always thought she was fairly rubbish on Question Time. I don't particularly give a fig about that but I can see how it would alienate some people

DaisyHayes Wed 20-Jul-11 15:37:18

<shrugs>

People always say that about feminists though, don't they?

I'm just grateful that there is someone trying to fight the corner for women in parliament. I'm sure that Zac Goldsmith is super nice and lovely, but I don't see him doing a whole lot to get a better deal for women and girls.

limitedperiodonly Wed 20-Jul-11 16:11:31

I notice no one's called her Harriet Harperson yet.

I like to amuse myself by having a private bet on these things.

AlpinePony Wed 20-Jul-11 16:14:17

YANBU.

Horrible woman.

Wish she'd champion a cause worth championing rather than whining about "wimmin's rights" in general and setting the cause back about 100 years and making women basically unemployable in the private sector.

YADNBU. Met her and found her odious and self-serving.

My grandfather, pretty easy-going chap not given to irrational emotion, was both a constituant of the woman and knew her well.

He could not abide her!

He felt the same way about Tessa Jowell too, whom he also knew. Having met her I can't argue with that either.

Yanbu - I don't think I've ever disliked a politician as much -

Tiredtrout Wed 20-Jul-11 16:17:58

YADNBU, she may do alot for feminism but she has royally screwed me over financially in the past couple of years

forkful Wed 20-Jul-11 16:25:04

YANBU if that really is your opinion.

I can't help but notice the amount of hatred for Harriet Harman particularly from the right wing press and wonder if that has influenced you OP?

AlpinePony - really you think that women are basically unemployable in the private sector hmm confused. How so?

Not that long ago there were no female politicians and no female had the vote. Good job some women decided to campaign about "wimmin's rights".

JamieAgain Wed 20-Jul-11 16:26:48

YABU - "naggy" ? mysogynistic crap

JamieAgain Wed 20-Jul-11 16:26:59

misogynistic

forkful Wed 20-Jul-11 16:28:26
sunshineandbooks Wed 20-Jul-11 16:36:01

YABU

Politics in this country would be much improved if we started judging politicians on their policies, not their likeability. I don't know if I'd like HH if I were ever to meet her in the flesh, but women have a lot to thank her for - even those who like to dismiss her.

Good article forkful - how is it 'naggy' and 'bossy' to raise issues such as the shockingly low level of rape convictions or the fact that DV is such a problem that 2 women are killed by their partners a week?

forkful Wed 20-Jul-11 16:38:54

OP can you honestly say that if she was a man saying the same things you would use the term "naggy" or even the term "bossy"?

No problem with someone disliking a politician or particular policy initiatives.

Big problem with fellow women using sexist insults about a female politician.

OTheHugeManatee Wed 20-Jul-11 16:39:11

I may be a feminist but I'm also a libertarian, and I don't have the same faith as Harman in the project of legislating the good society into existence. I think this kind of social micromanagement always has negative unintended consequences, and so while I admire her determination and the cause she champions I can't stomach the method she espouses.

MovingAndScared Wed 20-Jul-11 16:41:31

YBU -she doesn't come across well on TV have to say - but agree she has done a lot for women - and what is wrong with being tribal? I take it you mean she is keen on the Labour party?

lisianthus Wed 20-Jul-11 16:41:44

YABU- JosieRosie sums it up for me.

Andrewofgg Wed 20-Jul-11 16:51:13

She despises half our species and that is as bad in a female as in a male politician.

IslandMoose Wed 20-Jul-11 16:52:06

Agree with Manatee.

Also question her genuine devotion to the feminist cause. She was quick to champion all-women shortlists for labour prospective parliamentary candidates in certain seats, but strangely quiet when one such all-women shortlist was ignored in order to let her husband be the candidate.

JamieAgain Wed 20-Jul-11 16:52:39

Andrew - no she does not. what a load of crap.

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