They're coming into our country and they don't even have to register to claim benefits now

(455 Posts)
bupcakesandcunting Thu 24-Mar-11 09:28:01

Not the words of me but of Alf Garnett my mother.

I feel that she has reached the pinnacle of twattery. AIBU to tell her to shut the fuck up with this? Honestly, it makes me so fucking angry, especially when it is punctuated with "I read it in the newspaper", like that makes it definitely true.

I have told members of my family that come out with crap like that (not that bad but along those sort of lines) that unless they want me to cut them out of mine and my DS's life, they will STFU in my presence. Seems to have worked

FabbyChic Thu 24-Mar-11 09:32:32

What if it is true, why should anybody be able to come to the UK and be able to claim benefits when they have not contributed to the system? Why should anybody get free health care when they have never lived here or tried to integrate into our society?

I'm sick of this free for all, it doesn't happen in Australia if you want to go there you need finances to be able to support yourself.

There are far too many freeloaders coming into the UK and reaping the rewards of our free for all state.

LadyThumb Thu 24-Mar-11 09:34:25

Well said, Fabbychic !!

I am going to be a freeloader (fingers crossed) in about three months fabby. Me and DD are coming back to the UK to live. We will be accessing the NHS and education.

spatchcock Thu 24-Mar-11 09:36:36

Fabby - yes, well we know about Australia's track record with refugees, don't we? I know where I'd rather live.

Seabright Thu 24-Mar-11 09:39:01

But it isn't true FC, how can it be?

How can it be true that you don't have to register anywhere in order to be given benefits? Does someone stand on the street just handing out cash to random strangers? No.

EU citizens can come and go freely in all EU countries. Which means UK residents have the same rights in EU countries as EU citizens have here.

Other nationalities need visas.

suburbophobe Thu 24-Mar-11 09:39:18

Hear, hear, spatchcock!

bupcakesandcunting Thu 24-Mar-11 09:39:20

Oh Fabby, please bugger off. Typical Fabby response, that. hmm

Hammy02 Thu 24-Mar-11 09:39:26

I agree with Fabbychic. You should be able to prove you can support yourself before you can come into this country. I never claimed benefits until the age of 35 but I'm not entitled to JSA as DP works so to me it is outrageous that anyone can claim when they haven't paid a penny into our system.

vj32 Thu 24-Mar-11 09:39:49

NHS etc is not about who has 'paid in'. It is about preventing extreme poverty and illness. Lots of people get loads of help who have never worked a day in their life. I would personally prefer to deport all the people who just live off of benefits as a lifestyle choice for no reason to make way for foreigners who want to make a life for themselves and their families in Britain and work.

bupcakesandcunting Thu 24-Mar-11 09:41:39

Oh and LOL at the Australia remark. Typical bigot doesn't know their modern history. We had a whale of a time in Australia at the expense of the aborigines.

bupcakesandcunting Thu 24-Mar-11 09:42:17

The story isn't even true so can Nick Griffin's handmaidens wind their necks in, please? Ta.

DuelingFanjo Thu 24-Mar-11 09:43:17

tell her this joke and see how it goes down:

A banker, a Daily Mail reader and a benefit claimant are sitting at a table sharing 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 and says to the Daily Mail reader: "Watch out for the benefit claimant, he wants your biscuit"

what bupcakes said at 09.42.... never thought I'd say that one

ZillionChocolate Thu 24-Mar-11 09:44:21

Lets stop children from accessing free education and the NHS shall we? Most of them have never worked a day in their lives.

Bucharest Thu 24-Mar-11 09:44:38

Roffling at Nick Griffin's handmaidens.

Bupcakes, you're lucky. My Mum cuts the articles out and sends them to me. grin

well until just a few years ago there were more British people working illegally in Australia than any other nationality - having outstayed their visa, or working on a holiday visa.........

My children have never paid a penny into the state, but they get free health care, the get free schooling, my god what is the world coming to.

Oh - and yes - apart from EU citizens who as has been pointed out have the same rights as we do if we go ad live elsewhere in the EU many immigrants aren't allowed to claim any type of benefit, not evening tax credits if they're working. This changes once they get indefinite leave to remain............but I'm not sure how you can argue against someone having leave to remain being allowed to claim benefits if needs be given they are legally permanent residents of the UK by that stage.

Annpan88 Thu 24-Mar-11 09:46:08

I think its sad when people don't want to help people Who weren't lucky enough (and really it is just about luck) to be born in a country with health and education benefits. And there are plenty of people from this country who take the piss.

ROFL at not being entitled to JSA when you have a working partner. How dreadful that you are expected to support your own family when you're earning enough to do so hmm

bupcakesandcunting Thu 24-Mar-11 09:48:58

I have tried, and failed, to explain the workings of inter-EU immigration to my mother a million and one times and about how it is NOT responsible for the breakdown of society. She glazes over, mostly.

I think she just wants it to be like Midsomer Murders with no brown people or Poles hmm

E320 Thu 24-Mar-11 09:51:43

Er, I don't think you could come to Germany, even if an EU citizen, and expect to collect benefits automatically. If you have paid into the system, what you get is at subsistance level, nothing more.

The only exception to the benefits rule really comes with aslyum seekers who are told where they have to live (or locked up in detention centres), if they know anyone in the UK already at all they wont be given housing - they'll be expecte to stay with that person they know, and are given money that equates to an amount 25% lower than IS/JSA and are not ALLOWED to work while they are waiting for a decision on whether they are to be granted refugee status. Regardless of how many years that decision takes, Quite often these are skilled, hard working people, who after months, or even years of not working then find it even harder to find a job because of a lack of work history/experience.

happystory Thu 24-Mar-11 09:53:16

Got to be time for this again

ObscureReference Thu 24-Mar-11 09:53:21

Thank you Baroque for giving a more measured response than I have managed to write in my head a million times since I read what Fabby wrote.

For perspective, An Aussie who comes here (a friend of mine) is not allowed to claim ANYTHING. Despite the fact that all three of her children are British citizens, one having been born here. In fact, she is not even allowed the child benefit. She is allowed NOTHING from the government. Yet she is 'allowed' to pay taxes from working.

I really hate the ignorant assumptions that these people are coming from overseas and claiming benefits. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO! It is quite hard to get into the country, despite what people think. And there are people who come from the EU that can do as a British person could, and yet, a person country that has the same QUEEN has to jump through hoops. Ha!

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