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AIBU?

to not want to go back?

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SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 18/03/2011 20:44

i have posted about my dad's temper before but he has really upset me this time. i need honest advice about whether i am over reacting or not.

i take the dcs out to my parents' on friday evenings. mum was off work today so we went out early afternoon. when i arrived i was getting the dcs out of the car and ds2 was toddling over towards the house, i bring my dog with me and he ran past ds2 and kocked him over, ds2 let out a yell and my dad came storming over cursing and blinding about him being a "stupid bastard of a dog" ds2 was fine, i was holding him but my dad was still storming over so i told him to leave it. he kept coming, i actually thought he was going to hurt my dog, he was so angry and still cursing and shouting. i put my hand out towards him in a "stop" motion and told him to 'give over' he stopped walking and said "tell you what. just fuck off back home". we have had fall outs before but he has never told me to leave. i went and got ds1 and told him we had to go. he was gutted and started crying. i was crying too, and i shouldn't have infront of the dcs but i was just so hurt. i'm still upset now about it. the way i feel now i dont want to go back there. i know he will probably apologise eventually but the same thing will happen again as soon as something makes him angry, he will lose his temper and start shouting. he shouted really nastily at ds1 last week for accidently knocking something off a table. i dont want my dcs to be around that, i dont want them spoken to like that i dont want them to learn that that is how you react when you are upset and i dont want them to think it is how they can treat me. i feel gutted. ds1 loves going to my parents and staying overnight but i dont want him being around that man. he really needs to learn how to respond normally to things instead of hissing and spitting like a wild animal. i dont know what to do but i know i dont want to go back there even if i am told i am welcome again.

AIBU?

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thisisyesterday · 18/03/2011 20:47

no, i don't think yabu

i suspect that he was just really really concerned for your ds, and clearly has difficulty showing that in an appropriate manner.
and therein lies the problem

you're right not to want your children to be around someone like that and I think I'd either speak to your mum about it, or write to them if you can't face it and tell them just that.
that how he behaves just isn't appropriate or acceptable in front of the children, and until he stops then they won't be coming any more.

invite your mum to yours maybe?

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twinkytonk · 18/03/2011 20:48

You are so not BU!

Dp's father spoke like that to me once in front of ds and we didn't go back for a very very long time. I let it be know to him that it's just not acceptable to act like that (or speak like that) in front of my ds. He hasn't done it since but if he did we would not go over there again. It's just not on.

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thisisyesterday · 18/03/2011 20:48

btw, has he always been like this or could anything else be going on that's causing the behaviour do you think?

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UndiscoveredApprentice · 18/03/2011 20:49

no you are not being unreasonable

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SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 18/03/2011 20:50

he has always been like this. he terrified me as a child and it is so not what i want for my dcs. i thought he would mellow with age.

i have told my mum that i am sorry but i wont be back at the house until he apologises and that she is welcome to come and visit us at home (they dont visit us which is why i take the dcs out at the weekends.)

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Nanny0gg · 18/03/2011 20:54

So what did your mum say when this happened?

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SlainteBooyFeckingHoo · 18/03/2011 20:56

she was in the house when it happened. i came in to get ds1 and she asked why we were leaving. i told her what had happened and she rolled her eyes. she is well used to him losing his temper. the only thing she said was when ds1 said that he didn't want to leave yet, she told him that he had to go with me.

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IloveJudgeJudy · 19/03/2011 18:14

I have the same sort of thing in my life. My father was quite nasty to my elder DS. I told him I didn't want this to happen again. We sort of got over it. Then, another time, at Christmas, very convoluted story, but he told my DH to "fuck off, you're not even part of this family". I went to leave, my mother asked me not to, but things have not been the same since. I used to be very close to my mother, but unfortunately, this has changed. She has chosen him. I said father was not allowed in our house as he had been so rude to DH and she said that she won't come. We have relaxed our rule a bit. They're luckily that DH is not as nasty as my father.

He comes round with her, but under sufferance. He has ill-health now and she feels she can't leave him, but does a lot on her own.

It's a big shame, and I'm upset writing it; it has kind of torn our family (my brothers) apart. It's my father's bday this month and I still haven't decided whether to send him a card or not.

He doesn't really think he has done anything wrong. That is the problem and I think it's probably the same with your father, OP. This is unlike another family I know where the father was horrible to the adult children when the adult children were small, but is now making very great efforts with the grandchildren. In this family, the adults kind of put up with him because of the grandchildren. I would like to get to that kind of position, but it isn't possible.

I hope you have better luck with your father, but he has to be ready to admit fault and try very hard.

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slimbabe · 19/03/2011 21:35

Sorry for you sweet I really am. I think by the tone of your post you already know the answer to this one. You have been more than reasonable in saying that your parents can see dcs at your home. If the man terrified you when growing up, is this the kind of thing you want for your dcs. Aggressive behaviour and bad language in front of his family is completely unacceptable. Also feel bad about your mums reaction. I hope she had more to say on the matter after you had gone.

This is not a good environment for your dcs. Apalling that a grandparent could be nasty to a small child. This man has issues, he may well apologise but this doesnt mean you or your family should go back for more abuse. The man has issues which he needs to own and deal with. Hope you are ok now - take care

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AgentZigzag · 19/03/2011 21:45

Him coming out bawling and shouting says to me that he was already in that mood when you got there and was just looking for something to get wound up about.

He was shouting at you when your dog knocked over your DC, he was taking responsibility for a situation that had nothing to do with him, apart from it being on his property.

Why do you think he stepped in and intervened instead of letting you deal with it?

An excuse for some other reason he doesn't want you to go round?

My Dad had anger issues that could be random and make you walk on eggshells, you're totally in the right to protect your DC/DH from the man if he's behaving like this.

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BooyHoo · 19/03/2011 21:57

thank you for sharing that ilovejudgejudy. i feel as though this means a change in my relationship with my parents.

i agree with slimbabe, my dad will eventually apologise and it will no doubt be after a talking to by my mum because she is a rational person and he will give in and apologise for a quiet life. but his attitude wont change and i can't keep putting my children in the firing line. it mightn't be next week or month when he next explodes but there is no doubt in my mind that it will happen again and even if it isn't directed at me or my dcs, i dont want them to witness it. luckily yesterday ds1 had already gone into the house before this happened because at 5, he is old enough to understand what was happening and i could only imagine he would have been terrified at seeing his grandfather explode like that at his mum. i know my dad would not have censored himself had ds1 been there.

my dad will not do anything to change his behaviour. i had thought of suggesting to mum that he try an anger management course but i know he would laugh at the idea. i doubt she would even suggest it to him because she knows how he is.

ds1 has asked today if he will ever be able to go back to visit my mum. Sad i dont know the answer. i would like to be able to tell him yes because he enjoyed sleeping over there but i would have to have some sort of promise from my dad that his temper would be in check. but how can he do that? he has never been able to reign in his temper, why would he suddenly start controlling it now? i only hope my mum has enough of an influence over him to be able to convince him that his grandchildren are worth seeing. it would kill her never to be able to have them there again. i don't think i will be there again unless there are other people there that i know he wont explode infront of. his temper is a running joke in both his own and my mum's family. he thinks it's funny. it isn't when you are the one on the receiving end of it.

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BooyHoo · 19/03/2011 22:01

"He was shouting at you when your dog knocked over your DC, he was taking responsibility for a situation that had nothing to do with him, apart from it being on his property."

my dad doesn't respect me as an adult or a parent. i dont know why but he is always ridiculing my decisions. my decision to leave my job and become a CMer, my decision to get the dog, my decision to change my car Confused any decision i make myself he is vocal about what he thinks about it (never good BTW-he doesn't do praise) so teh fact that it was my dog was another excuse to have a go at me. he has a dog too that is just as likely to run past ds and knock him down, but it would never had provoked that mouthful of abuse if his dog had done it. it was because it was my dog.

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BooyHoo · 20/03/2011 13:28

well my dad arrived at the house earlier and tried to walk into the house. i blocked his way and he looked all innocent and said "what?". i asked him if he had anything to say to me and he responded "have YOU anything to say to me?" i told him that i didn't have anything to apologise for. he asked if i didn't think i should apologise for telling him to give over and i told him no i didn't think i was wrong to stop him in his tracks. he gave various explanations for his reaction, starting from, being angry with the dog, worried about ds2, and unbelievable he said that while he was walking over he took a cramp in his leg which made him even angrier Hmm i made it clear to him that his response was completely out of order and was not achieving anything at all except keeping an already 'hyped' situation going when the best thing to do was for everyone to get calm and deal with ds. (which i was already doing) i told him that his temper is terrifying and that as i child i used to jump out of my skin when he started. i reminded him of how he shouted at ds last week and how frightening it was for ds. i told him his temper is ridiculous and i will not allow my dcs to be frightened the way he frightened me as a child. he agreed that he didn't want to do that to them either and agreed to cool his temper. not sure if he actually will or not but i feel as though my words hit their target.

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beesimo · 20/03/2011 13:43

BooyHoo good for you when I was first married the second time my husband shouted at me and started throwing his weight around instead of starting to cry I just said do you want me to love you or do you want me to fear you? Because I can't do both. It stopped things in there tracks. You see he wanted to be boss and I am not one to be bossed nobody should be. All men need pulling up at times and your DM should of protected you a bit more from DDs temper you should be very proud for having the guts to protect YOUR DCs well done.

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AgentZigzag · 20/03/2011 13:59

'he gave various explanations for his reaction, starting from, being angry with the dog, worried about ds2, and unbelievable he said that while he was walking over he took a cramp in his leg which made him even angrier'

Trying to palm off the way he chose to behave onto all and sundry.

Good for you telling him how he makes/made you feel, and encouraging that he did back down and will try to make an effort Smile

At least you've made inroads into trying to resolve it.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 20/03/2011 14:41

" i don't think i will be there again unless there are other people there that i know he wont explode infront of."

So he can control his temper, he just chooses not to?

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BooyHoo · 20/03/2011 18:54

"Trying to palm off the way he chose to behave onto all and sundry."

yes, and i totally expected him to. i know what he is like. the Hmm face even popped into my head while i was listening to him think up his excuses.

"So he can control his temper, he just chooses not to?"

yes he absolouetely can control it. he would never have exploded like that if it had been a friend's dog. he saves his temper for his wife and children. he forgets that we dont actually have to take it from him.

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slimbabe · 20/03/2011 19:53

Hi - hope you are feeling a bit more settled. This post has alarm bells ringing - the man is an abuser - verbally, psychologically and emotionally. He does not respect you as an adult, his daughter, a mother etc.

He needs help and only he can do this. You can forgive him but it doesn't mean you have to hang around him. You can make this choice - your dcs cannot. I would not subject my children or myself to this.

I feel for your mother but again, she is making a choice to live with the man. The consequences being she cannot have her grandchilren to stay - maybe she can use this as a tool to get your fathter to see sense and get some counselling.

This man has to realise that his behaviour towards you in past and also his current behaviour is completely wrong. HE IS A BULLY AND A TOXIC PARENT eg blaming everyone and every thing but himself for his behaviour. Try the relationships thread - it might help. hugs xx

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BooyHoo · 20/03/2011 20:09

i totally agree with you slim, i realised a few years ago that he is an abuser. until recently his temper has never been directed at my dcs but now that ds1 is getting older (5) and more defiant, my dad is struggling to keep his cool. he doesn't like chidlren. he has no patience with them. he cried today when i told him that he had terrified me as a child and he agreed with me that he didn't want my dcs to feel the same way about him. we usually visit on a sunday but i told him we wouldn't be out today.

i used to feel sorry for my mum, but she is responsible for her own decisions and she choses to remain in taht relationship. i dont know how but she has managed not to kill him yet. he is very belittling towards her. he cannot take any criticism at all, he turns it on her and makes a joke out of it. she gets frustrated trying and gives up and nothing gets solved.

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slimbabe · 20/03/2011 20:34

thanks booy good to know i can get some things right haha. well done you for staying away today. it's a difficult thing to do but you have taken the first steps. your ds is just a baby and should not have to be subjected to this, it would only be a matter of time before the next episode which could be even more damaging. i'm sorry if this is harsh but you or your children cannot be around him. the fact that he barged into your home today without as much as an apology proves this. when you take control of the situation you will feel much stronger and empowered. just remember you are doing it for the children and yourself. please try and do something nice for yourself this week - you deserve it. also, if you find that the issues from your childhood are still having an effect on you, now would be a good time to seek out counsel. Your GP can refer you or you could seek out help privately. do not be embarrassed about this - there is good help out there. Well done for speaking up to your father. Keep strong

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BooyHoo · 20/03/2011 20:45

my dad doesn't visit my house so his visit today was clearly him trying to 'fix' things. the fact that he just expected to walk on in tells me that he thought that just the fact that he turned up would be enough to 'fix' it and forget it without him having to say sorry.

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