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Any dairy free/soya free bakers?

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Dorisday13 Sat 04-May-13 15:12:30

What's the best alternative for baking? Oat milk? Rice milk? I'm trying to make savory muffins :-) x

nextphase Sat 04-May-13 19:51:43

We did Oatly, and vitalite. The Oat milk I could live with, the butter substitutes weren't brill (but then I'm a Butter girl, even marg is only good in chocolate cake!) Cakes with Oil in place of fat (and muffins) were better than butter substitutes.

Dorisday13 Sun 05-May-13 09:14:07

Cool thanks, do you know if there is a conversion melted butter to oil for a recipe? X

Maz007 Sun 05-May-13 09:41:53

M&S dairy free marg is the best tasting I've found - tend to use it in all my baking. Oatly works well for savoury recipes, have also used soya and Kara (coconut) - all fine. Happy baking!

Maz007 Sun 05-May-13 09:43:31

Sorry, just saw 'soya free' in thread title - more coffee needed. I'd avoid rice milk as it's just too watery. We are soya and dairy free here too - totally doable. Good luck!

nextphase Sun 05-May-13 09:47:56

I wouldn't try to convert, but find a recipie that has been designed for oil, e.g. chocolate cake or muffins enjoy!

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Sun 05-May-13 10:39:51

Oatly CREAM and Block Stork for baking. I find the Oatly 'milk' too runny.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Sun 05-May-13 10:40:44

Will have a read of those recipes!

Dorisday13 Sun 05-May-13 12:27:23

Thanks! I've just bought some oatley cream so I'll give that a go x :-)

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Sun 05-May-13 16:57:41

I make a mean white sauce with Block stork, flour and Oatly cream. Add a bit of dill and some fish, and you have a yummy dairy, soy free fish pie. Just make the mash with Vitalite or block Stork!

It's DS3's favourite dinner.

harverina Tue 07-May-13 09:37:30

Couthy that sounds amazing -I love white sauce! Can you expand a little on what you do - I am hopeless in the kitchen!! grin

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 14:35:43

Melt about a heaped dessert spoon's worth of block Stork in a pan. Then mix in plain flour until it goes all lumpy and looks horrid. (Bear with me...!) Let that cook for a minute or so.

Then add a small bit of the Oatly cream and mix in thoroughly. Keep adding the Oatly cream a but at a time, whisking constantly so that each time you add a bit more, it is well mixed in before you add the next bit. (I don't use a whisk, I use a fork, I find you get less lumps and a smoother sauce! blush ).

When it looks about the right consistency of white sauce, you can then use it in tons of other recipes.

Dairy & soy free Lasagne becomes a possibility, and dairy & soy free macaroni cheese - for that, once the sauce is at the right thickness, coating the back of a spoon rather than running off it, you can take it off the heat and add some grated soy free cheezly to it. Pour over macaroni, hey presto!

Also, by adding a teaspoon of dill to the pan of plain sauce, you can make it into a lovely sauce for fish pie, or just to go over fish.


Would you believe I failed Home Ec?! My teacher would be so proud of me...wink

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 14:36:53

Soy free cheezly can usually be bought in Holland & Barrat.

claraschu Tue 07-May-13 14:41:35

I have never actually tried it, but my vegan friend uses cocoanut oil instead of butter when baking. It is delicious and healthy.

Dorisday13 Tue 07-May-13 15:01:10

Ummm lentil lasagne for tea I think :-)

babybarrister Tue 07-May-13 21:19:08

we use oatly cream a lot as well - enjoy- everything is doable - the only thing that has stumped me is meringue - DS egg free grin

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 21:53:41

Wow. I'm not too sure on egg free meringue!

I could ask a couple if my friends who have egg-free DC's. I can't see how it would be do-able, mind you. confused

<<Goes off to ponder and wrack people's brains...>>

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 21:55:59

Another dairy, soy free sauce for stuff is to start off the same, with the melted block Stork and flour mixture, and instead of adding Oatly cream, add stock instead.

I make my casseroles like that!

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 21:58:56

Also, when done with fish stock, it can make a nice sauce for fish. I use that with tuna and sweetcorn pasta. My older DC's now prefer their tuna pasta like that rather than with mayo.

Chicken risotto is another great standby dairy & soy free meal - chicken, arborio rice, chopped peppers frozen if you want a really speedy meal, and chicken stock.

The m&s dairy free Margarine is the best I've found to bake with. KarA coconut milk and almond milk are also good for cooking. Coconut oil is pretty good stuff too.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 22:02:23

Sometimes I dream of meeting my old Home Ec teacher and just pointing at her and going "HA! I CAN cook!!!" grin

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Tue 07-May-13 22:04:19

Ah. Almond milk is out in DS3's case as he is anaphylactic to almonds and all bloody nuts. And he hates coconut milk. Which is rather irritating!

I find that in some cakes, the M&S dairy free spread and Vitalite make the end product too 'oily'. I've never had that issue with block Stork.

Dorisday13 Wed 08-May-13 08:25:21

I tried to make a Yorkshire pudding with almond milk once, didn't taste good, soya milk was good but now that's out too, next to try oat milk

harverina Wed 08-May-13 08:45:11

Thanks couthy - I will be trying out your sauce at the weekend grin I will buy fish and make the sauce with dill.

Lasagne is very appealing but I worry that the cheese would ruin it?

harverina Wed 08-May-13 08:46:51

I didn't even realise we could use block stork! Dd is milk egg and nut free.

Dorisday13 Wed 08-May-13 09:23:52

Block stork is a revelation, :-)

missalien Wed 08-May-13 22:14:26

Pop didn't know about block stork! We use sunflower pure its great and tastes lovely , and oat milk , no one knows te difference in baking always good results , we use egg replacement powder too and that's ok , haven't tried meringues with it yet though!

rootypig Wed 08-May-13 22:17:09

There are some helpful principles here:

and if you can translate the American quantities and products, the recipes on the site are delicious too

rootypig Wed 08-May-13 22:20:10

Sorry hit post too soon.

Ottolenghi has some really nice cake recipes that use oil (apple and olive oil cake, his carrot cake)

And using grated vegetables is helpful, there are lots of ideas in Harry Eastwood's cookbook.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 22:59:04

Even DS3's dietician didn't know about block Stork!! I had to tell her! grin

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 23:02:02

You don't need to use the cheese - lasagne works fine with just the white sauce.

I made DS3 his first ever pizza tonight - and he loved it. Pizza had eluded me, but finding that Napolina mini bases are dairy, soy, nut free was a revelation.

Mini pizza base, passata, Cheezly soy free and some pepperoni.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 23:03:48

Yorkshire puddings made with Neocate work. I have a sandwich bag full of them in the freezer. You just need to use slightly more flour than normal. Cook them so that they are lightly done then freeze.

When needed, just bung in the oven from frozen to heat through.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 23:04:45

I think that if they haven't been used to real cheese, then Cheezly works fine. DS3 seems to like the soy free one.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 23:05:16

But then, he loves Neocate, which I think smells and tastes like sweaty socks...

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Wed 08-May-13 23:06:47

I will quantify the mini pizza bases with the fact that I am still shite at bread making. I've tried. It invariably ends up as a loaf-shaped rock! blush

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 07:35:29

I've just seen oatley contains palm oil which I'm ethically not happy with :-(
I hadn't thought of using neonate for cooking, I could use breast milk I suppose?

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 07:37:24

Very proud of myself made salt free bread last night for lo (cheated and used a bread maker tho!)

Also I have a very very easy pizza dough recipe if you'd like it, dh usually makes by hand, very quick, we make a kg dough then roll and freeze in discs

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Thu 09-May-13 07:51:30

Sorry - I have to put ethics at a secondary position to keeping my DS on a balanced diet because his diet is so restricted.

What are the ethical considerations RE palm oil?

harverina Thu 09-May-13 08:36:23

Couthy thanks for the tips going to give the cheese a go grinI'm thinking we will have lasagne at the weekend yay! Do you enjoy it too?

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 10:59:59

I know it's hard isn't it, I'd never judge anyone else it's just my choice, I don't know how to do one of those fancy hyperlinks bit if you google palm oil and orangutans it's all there, I think there's a wwf page too.

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 11:11:54

Has anyone tried cooking with breast milk? Or am a bonkers for thinking of it? shock

janey223 Thu 09-May-13 11:55:01

I've heard MozzaRisella is yummy, must try it soon, DS is milk, legume, soy & nut free so blooming impossible cheese wise.

Can someone give me a decent Yorkshire pudding recipie? My cakes are with oil, vitalite or stork, whatever's handy! Bourneville for making them chocolate, pure makes the best buttercream icing I think.

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 12:26:39

I'll try the mozzarisella, I like vegusto but I think that's made of nuts so no good for you...:-(

I'll let someone else come along with a Yorkshire pud recipe as mine subbing for almond milk was not good!

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 12:27:33

Vitalite buttercream is very odd I think! Will try pure, I'm guessing the sunflower one?

Dorisday13 Thu 09-May-13 12:29:17

Harverina vegusto do a cheese sauce I heard is good, I haven't tried it myself yet tho, but I agree with couthy and go for a white sauce with lasagne x

janey223 Fri 10-May-13 11:21:10

Couldn't have been as bad as my oatly yorkies hmm

I think vitalite buttercream is odd too, I use the sunflower yeh. Anyone tried the pure olive? I seen it on ocado sounds yum!

KarA Yorkies aren't bad. I managed to make then work ok. Not as crispy though

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Fri 10-May-13 12:57:43

DON'T use block stork to make buttercream. It's RANK!

<<Voice of experience!>>

There IS a strawberry flavoured frosting in a pot in Tesco down the baking aisle that is dairy, soy, nut free - think it's also GF, but not sure about egg free.

It tastes really nice, and eliminates the need to piss about trying to home make an alternative!

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Fri 10-May-13 12:58:46

To get them really crispy, cook them till they are just golden, then freeze them. When you want to use them, put them in a preheated oven from frozen.

It makes them crispier!

janey223 Fri 10-May-13 14:09:45

Betty Crocker (I think that's it? :-/) icing - loads of it is sf/df including the cream cheese style!

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Fri 10-May-13 14:44:48

It's not a Betty Crocker one, it's a Tesco own one.

I can't remember if Betty Crocker had traces of nuts, dairy or soy, but it was one of them!

harverina Fri 10-May-13 14:48:59

Betty Crocker "may contain milk" so we don't use it hmm

I am determined to bake and cook more so will give the fake cheese a go and see how it works out grin

Dorisday13 Fri 10-May-13 16:20:11

I think pure olive I'd made with soya, possibly. Will get out the ready made frosting!

I've really gotten into making ice cream with cocunut milk that's really really good!!

On the yorky front ill get some karo and not bother trying with the oat milk, I think rice milk is too thin.

Do you think I can get neocate on prescription to cook with?

janey223 Fri 10-May-13 18:55:51

Used it a few times without problems for either if us, cream cheese style with the carrot cake for Easter was devine!

You probably could get it, just don't ever use it for something you'll eat it's vile!

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Fri 10-May-13 19:16:50

Heinz baked bean slices, sold by Asda, are nut, dairy, soy free, though not legume free.

Good for a rush-job dinner on busy evenings, with chips.

DS3 is fine with baked beans, but is allergic to chickpeas, green beans and lentils. Yet another PITA!

MadMonkeys Fri 17-May-13 16:00:28

Is block stork soya free? Got caught out with olive Pure, that does contain soya...

CouthyMow Fri 17-May-13 16:10:53

Block Stork is dairy AND soy free - DS3 is allergic to both. It's vegetable oil based.

IkeaIdea Fri 17-May-13 16:47:57

At the Cake and Bake show I spoke to a cupcake maker who had allergy cakes and she recommended half Vitalite and half Trex to make buttercream.
Be sure to add an essence or extract though because it is missing the nice buttery taste. I've done it with vanilla extract and a coffee essence, both were great and the buttercream has a better consistency than just with Vitalite or Pure.

Dorisday13 Fri 17-May-13 18:59:12

Ooh thanks ikeaidea! I was about to ask has anyone tried using trex

mamado Fri 24-May-13 21:15:45

My dd's are dairy, egg, peanut and sesame seed free - cakes, buttercream and even meringues are possible! i write a food-allergy blog which now has over 300 recipes that are free from the above allergens (lots gluten and soya-free too!) - PM me if you want the link! (I'm particularly proud of the meringues!)

CouthyMow Fri 24-May-13 22:33:04

I use tree for roast potatoes, but didn't think about buttercream with it.

I will have to give the half Vitalite, half trex a try.

Dorisday13 Sat 25-May-13 10:43:16

I tried the buttercream yesterday for dh's bday cake, it's good! smile

I used trex for the sponge too, didn't rise properly but that might not be the trex!
If anyone has a bomb proof choccie sponge recipe id love to see it! X

CouthyMow Sat 25-May-13 12:14:15

I just use any old Madeira cake recipe baked with block Stork instead of butter, and replace 30g of the flour with Green & Black's good quality cocoa.

It works.

I've even made a marble cake by splitting the mix and replacing 15g of the flour (for one half of the mixture) with cocoa.

I like to colour my DC's cakes though - they love it when you cut open the cake to reveal their favourite colour.

The last one I did was a black and red marble cake for DS1's birthday.

OmiQueenofTypose Sat 25-May-13 12:32:18

I have a chocolate cake recipe. It is egg and dairy free (and I've made it with gluten-free flour, too). It is really quick and easy to make, and not much washing up as you can mix it in the cake pan. I also make it as chocolate muffins too. I've only got it in cups, but imo that just makes it easier to make!

1 1/2 cups plain flour
1 cup granulated sugar
1/4 cup cocoa powder
1 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp baking powder
6 tbsp vegetable oil / sunflower oil
1 tbsp white vinegar
1 tsp vanilla extract
1 cup cool water

Preheat oven to 180c / gas mark 4.

1. Sift the flour into a cake tin (8x8 inch square is suggested, but I've used a range of shapes and sizes!)
2. In a small bowl, whisk the sugar, cocoa, baking powder and salt, then add this to the flour and mix well with a fork.
3. Make three wells in the mixture, 1 large, 1 medium, 1 small.
In the large well, put the oil; in the medium, put the vinegar; in the the small, put the vanilla.
4. Pour the water over everything, mix again with a fork.

Bake for 30 minutes.

I often up the cocoa a bit. It's not exactly a rich chocolate cake, but it has served well for many a birthday party.

Yorkshire pudding made with Oatley are rubbish, but work well with rice milk. I know there are concerns about arsenic levels in rice milk but I've decided that occasional use is ok for DS

CouthyMow Sat 25-May-13 22:13:34

They work with Oatly CREAM. The milk is too thin.

redwellybluewelly Sat 25-May-13 22:26:55

Brilliant thread,

DD now almost 3 has been df/sf since six weeks old (I bf and had to follow a restricted diet). We have therefore all been pretty much df/sf since then as well!

Very excited to read the pizza bases and oatley cream tips. I try to ensure that DD has a chance at eating a range of foods and yet Yorkshire puds and white sauce had failed me. Because of her low body weight I didn't try rice milk, we find too much Oatley does cause an eczema flare up.

I bake all her bread, snacks and cakes using Pure sunflower spread. And I do a thick rice pudding too, porridge made with oat milk is also lovely.

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 01:23:32

I had the same, from when DS3 was 8 weeks old, I had to be on a restricted diet while bf.

Now for some toddler snack suggestions. Bear in mind that my list might be more restrictive than you need due to DS3 being nut allergic too. And quite a few aren't GF, as he is fine with gluten.

So far, I have found : Tesco GF scotch pancakes are dairy, soy, nut free. (And GF/wheat free).

Baby Organix crisps, the pink prawn flavour stars, and the orange carrot flavour sticks are both dairy & soy free, but DS3 can't have them now as they started using nuts on the machinery around 3 months or so ago. Ditto the rest of the Baby Organix range.

The mini gingerbread men are dairy & soy free, as are the vanilla and raspberry puffs, and all of their rice cakes EXCEPT the cheese ones. All baby Organix range.

Tesco Potato cakes, Sainsbury's too. ASDA ONES HAVE SOY LECITHIN IN.

Orgran kids mini outback animals chocolate cookies are nut, soy, gluten, wheat, dairy, egg, yeast free and vegan. Really nice though!

The fruit factory fruit strings / fruit hearts / fruit stars are found near the raisins and/or down the baking aisle in most supermarkets, and are dairy, soy, nut free. They are dusted in maize starch.

And there's Zero Zebra rice milk chocolate sold by Allergy Essex (online shop). They do a plain version, a rice crispy version, and my personal favourite, one with freeze dried raspberry bits in. I really can't tell the difference between it and ordinary chocolate, except, if anything, it is slightly creamier! They are free from all of the 14 main allergens.

Lots of the value ranges of biscuits are dairy & soy free - Tesco value bourbon creams are dairy, soy, nut free. Often because they are cheaper because they replace the butter with vegetable oil. The value digestives are dairy, soy, nut free too.

With biscuits, look at value brands first, as they are far more likely to be safe!

If anyone else has any snack suggestions, I'm always on the lookout.

Oh - Coleman's seafood sauce is dairy, soy, nut free. DS3 loves having avocado and prawns for lunch with seafood sauce, or having cucumber and carrot sticks to dip in it.

Uncle Ben's Lemon and ginger stir fry sauce (in a jar, with an orange lid) IS dairy & soy free. So now I can even cook DS3 a soy-free stir fry!!

Heinz ketchup, steak sauce and barbecue sauce are all dairy, soy, nut free.

I slow cook beef brisket in a sauce made up of a bottle of Heinz barbecue sauce, a tin of chopped tomatoes, and two Oxo cubes.

• Oxo cubes are NOT GF or wheat free.

Gravy - I use either Knorr gravy pots, or Coleman's instant chicken/beef gravy (comes in a tube) for a dairy & soy free gravy. THESE ARE NOT GF.

Pre cooked mini sausages (with the picnic food) seem to be dairy, soy, nut free in every supermarket.

At least in Tesco (how can you tell it's my closest shop?!), there are lots of the other picnic snacks that are dairy & soy free. The mini scotch eggs. The chicken nuggets. The pork pies. MOST AREN'T GF.

Bird's eye chicken dippers are NOT dairy & Soy free...but Tesco own brand ARE.

Tesco bags of 30 cod fish fingers are dairy & soy free. Young's calamari are too.

Party food - lots of the Indian selections are dairy & soy free. Don't even bother with any of the Chinese ones. Sausage rolls - Tesco value use veg oil instead of butter, and are dairy & soy free.

Hope some of this is helpful. I will put some more things on here as I think of them.

As you can tell, shopping takes up a lot of my time...wink

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 01:28:14

The white sauce recipe also works with Nutramigen and Neocate.

Or if you want to avoid using too much Oatly, try making it with stock. There are dairy, soy, AND GF stocks out there, it just takes some label reading...

<<I spend half my life reading labels...>>

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 01:41:50

Oh, another one - you can't buy ready-made popcorn, as it all has soy lecithin in, but the Popz microwave one, at least the sweet one, IS dairy & soy free. It is in a blue and yellow box.

Brilliant for film night!

The GF gravy that I have run out of is not on sale any more (which might be why I haven't found it for a while and have completely run out...) - but Orgran do a GF gravy powder, and so do Free & Easy.

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 01:43:49

I'm going to be buying an ice cream maker soon, and I will be trying out ice cream and sorbet recipes.

And I'm still working on a vague idea that it MUST be possible to make a dairy, soy free yoghurt...

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 01:44:23

<<Obviously has too much time on her hands...>>

redwellybluewelly Sun 26-May-13 08:49:52

Couthy you are an absolute &#9733; (star), thats going to revolutionise my ability to make sure DD eats what we eat. Usually we have to eat later if we want pizza or a stir fry.

Wow. Shame I did a fortnight's shop yesterday, might have to go on a little explore...

janey223 Sun 26-May-13 09:35:36

Organix oat bars are DS's favourite snack, the sainsburys basic ones &anna karmel ones are dairy, soy & nut free too. He's nicked a gingerbread man, tesco mini ones, they are dairy soy nut free but made in a factory with nuts (not on the same line), coop ones are too I think (although I last bought them about 6 m ago!).

Tesco banana and coconut milk free from smoothies, happy monkey smoothies (don't know about innocent), '

Check value ranges garlic bread! Sainsburys one is not suitable for milk allergy sufferers but he's always been fine. Sainsburys be good to yourself guacamole. Kinnerton dark chocolate df/sf/Gf/wf/nf I love it.

Watch birds eye fish fingers, some varieties have now added milk sad

redwellybluewelly Sun 26-May-13 12:39:40

Oh and Aunt Bessies roast potatoes have milk powder in, as do many battered/breadcrumbed fish portions. Sainsburys TTD fishfingers are certainly df/sf and their battered haddock is as well.

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 12:45:26

Tesco value roast potatoes are just spuds and veg oil. Cheap and all you have to do is add a bit of Trex, no peeling required!

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 12:47:44

Tesco own battered cod and haddock are dairy & soy free. DS3 is fine with them.

WATCH OUT FOR FAB ICE LOLLIES. I'm in discussion with the manufacturers because it doesn't say 'contains milk' on the outer box, but it does on the individual wrappers. Which you can't SEE in the supermarket.

Most water ice lollies are fine.

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 12:48:31

DS3 reacts to those mini gingerbread men, painful experience

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 12:55:13

I've just thought of another one...Birds custard (NOT the instant sachets), the old fashioned tub, is dairy & soy free.

All I do is make it up with around a third more custard powder and using Oatly cream instead of milk.

A quick curry recipe - tin of chopped tomatoes, mild curry powder, ground cumin, and whatever meat and veg you have lurking in your fridge want to chuck in...

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 15:13:27

I managed to make an alternative to dream topping at Christmas.

Oatly cream, heated in a pan. Mix some cornflour with water and stir that in. Add a tsp or two of sugar. When it starts to thicken, take it off the heat.

Use an electric whisk, and whisk until cool. Dairy, soy free dream topping alternative!

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 15:13:47

We made him his own trifle!

CouthyMow Sun 26-May-13 15:14:18

Tesco sponge fingers for trifles are dairy, soy, nut free.

Dorisday13 Sun 26-May-13 16:15:00

Thank you for the choc cake recipe will do next time smile

Dorisday13 Mon 27-May-13 10:44:29

Omiqueenof.. Is that 2 lots of baking powder?

Couthy you should definitely go for that icecream maker, I did choc orange last night and its gooood gringrin
Thinking on your yoghurt alternative the prefrozen ice cream mix I just made has a yoghurt consistency, and tastes good!! Did you want the yoghurt for the calcium though? If so it's no good really.
My 'base' recipe is 2 cans full fat cocunut milk and half a cup of sweetener (I vary this depending on the flavour I'm going for) usually liquid sweetener is better because of the scooping properties when you freeze it will try to go back to original form if that makes sense. For choc flavours I do 1/3 cup coco powder and honey, for fruit flavours (and baby suitable) agave nectar.


Dorisday13 Mon 27-May-13 10:58:46

Oh and an optional tbsp on alcohol makes for a lovely texture wink

CouthyMow Mon 27-May-13 11:17:13

I was looking at Oatly cream, vanilla extract, honey, and maybe some vanilla seeds.

What I want to know is if you can buy Oatly cream in bigger quantities than the tiddly boxes in the supermarket.

Because I'd like to make a whole tub of it to keep so that he can have it whenever the older DC's have ice cream.

Yoghurt - I am looking for a dairy, soy free starter IYSWIM. If I find one I will let you know.

CouthyMow Mon 27-May-13 11:17:55

I might leave the alcohol out as I'm making it for a 2yo... winkgrin

CouthyMow Mon 27-May-13 11:21:39

I think sorbets would be good too, really easy with lemon juice, water and puréed fruit.

I have made him granita like that last year.

I also have frozen bananas. Shove a lolly stick in half a banana, stick it in the freezer in a sandwich bag, and you have VERY healthy ice lollies!

Oranges work too - I use plastic corn cob holders, and shove one in a quarter of an orange. Very refreshing on a summer's day. Nice way to get fruit into DC's.

Dorisday13 Mon 27-May-13 11:22:27

Oh and an optional tbsp on alcohol makes for a lovely texture wink

CouthyMow Mon 27-May-13 11:22:56

This thread needs to be stickied or something, so we don't lose the recipes, and other people can find it!

OmiQueenofTypose Mon 27-May-13 11:25:11

Oops - I was writing out the recipe while small people hung off me. I've checked and can confirm that it should be:

1 1/2 cups plain flour
1 cup granulated sugar
1/4 cup cocoa powder
1 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp salt
6 tbsp vegetable oil / sunflower oil
1 tbsp white vinegar
1 tsp vanilla extract
1 cup cool water

Also, I've used white wine vinegar or cider vinegar - the vanilla generally disguises the taste of the vinegar enough. I have wondered if you could use orange juice instead, for the acidity. And when you mix it at the end, really mix thoroughly to avoid little pockets of flour in the corner (especially in a square tin).

Dorisday13 Tue 28-May-13 09:26:27

Thanks omiqueen! How do we sticky?

The alcohol was on my quest for the perfect soft scoopgringrin (I'm DFSF too) I really should make some without for dd...

Blatherskite Tue 28-May-13 09:41:45

I was about to recommend Trex frosting but I see I've been beaten to it. It is tooth achingly sweet and definitely needs some vanilla extract or similar to take the edge off but children generally love it.

I made it again for DS's cake even though he's not allergic as he wanted a ski slope and it is very, very white smile

MadMonkeys Tue 28-May-13 13:36:19

I'm a bit confused. I mentioned earlier in this thread that we got caught out with Pure olive spread - DD2 reacted to it and I couldn't work out why until the dietician said it contains soya (listed as vegetable oils in the ingredients). So today I gave her Pure sunflower spread as it says soya free on the tub. That prompted me to check the olive spread tub, and that also says soya free... So is the dietician wrong? Or is there a derivative of soya in the olive spread, and the phrase 'soya free' is misleading? And if that's the case is the sunflower spread really free from soya?

redwellybluewelly Tue 28-May-13 15:58:12

madmonkeys I've only ever seen the Pure sunflower or the Pure soya spreads. We ensure that we use the sunflower one ans all seems well. I wasn't aware that they did an olive one?

Struggling to find Oatly cream, thought Sainsburys did it but it seems not.

CouthyMow Tue 28-May-13 18:55:18

I found that DS3 reacted to the olive oil Pure. I decided to switch to Vitalite and Block Stork, and he's been fine ever since.

CouthyMow Tue 28-May-13 18:56:26

Oatly cream isn't in a chiller - it comes in a rectangular box on the shelf with the rice milk and Oatly milk usually.

Small supermarkets tend not to stock it, but most larger ones will.

CouthyMow Tue 28-May-13 18:58:53

This is what Oatly cream looks like :

This is what the packaging looks like

MadMonkeys Tue 28-May-13 20:45:21

That's interesting couthy, looks like I've got a tub of olive pure to eat then, its not a patch on lurpak! Got some stork today, so that should expand dd2's repertoire a bit. Does anyone know if oatly cream comes in bigger boxes? I've only seen the tiny ones. This thread is great, and perfectly timed for us! Thanks everyone.

CouthyMow Wed 29-May-13 11:44:19

I've done a bit of research, and no, unfortunately it only comes in the tiny 250ml boxes.

Which is a PITA!

DS3 loved his 'macaroni cheese' with bacon.

White sauce as detailed upthread, with Cheezly soy free grated into it.

I'm attempting rice pudding tonight. grin

CouthyMow Wed 29-May-13 11:46:55

I'm going to have a chat with Oatly peeps at the Allergy Show in London, and say that there are people that would like to be able to buy Oatly cream in larger boxes.

I have found that the small boxes are fine for making a single portion of sauce for DS3 at the moment, but his portions are quite small as he is only 2y4mo!

Dreading to think about that when hrs older...

MadMonkeys Wed 29-May-13 13:06:31

I've made rice pud with oatly milk, works fine. If you suit it 30 minutes into the cooking time it goes more creamy. Dd2 likes St Dalfour apricot spread (sugar free and yum yum yummy) so I sometime mix a bit in when its cooked. They do loads of other fruit spreads too but she hasn't tried any yet as we're introducing things painfully slowly after the pure olive experience!

MadMonkeys Wed 29-May-13 13:07:18

Stir it, not suit it... smile

Dorisday13 Wed 29-May-13 14:43:03

Does oatley cream contain calcium? Sorry I know this thread is about baking but from the balanced diet part of it that would be handy!

I need to email them to ask about the palm oil thing

MrsAVB Wed 29-May-13 15:40:50

Ooh am loving this thread!
For baking I use half Cookeen and half vitalite marg. Also, a tip from my local (award winning) baker, was, when making dairy free cakes, use icing sugar instead of caster/ granulated. Something to do with the consistency apparently. Although I've tried it and it didn't seem to make much difference.
Coconut milk is nice for hot puddings; rice pudding, bread and butter pudding etc.

MadMonkeys Wed 29-May-13 18:35:17

The oatly in blue cartons is fortified with calcium. The organic version (in a green carton I think, although I never buy it so not sure) doesn't appear to be fortified. I made a dairy and soy free lasagne tonight - made white sauce with oatly and didn't put any cheese in. It was surprisingly nice! The sauce is fiendishly simple - put oatly in a saucepan, add some flour then gently heat while whisking continuously. As it comes to the book it thickens. Voila! Then you can add anything you like to flavour it. Maybe cheezly would work although I haven't managed to get hold of any yet.

Also made bread in my breadmaker - omitted the milk powder and used block stork instead of butter. Not bad! Can anyone recommend a dairy and soy free commercial bread? We're going away in a few weeks and I can take my breadmaker if I really have to but it would be nice not too! The car will full of oatly as it is...!

CouthyMow Wed 29-May-13 21:06:47

Commercial bread - Warburton's Gluten free, wheat free bread is also dairy and soy free - at least the white sliced is.

Be warned though - they only come as half loaves, with half sized slices too - and are criminally expensive - £2.48 for a half sized slice half loaf!!

MadMonkeys Wed 29-May-13 22:32:07

You're a seasoned pro at this allergy lark aren't you Couthy! Thanks smile

redwellybluewelly Wed 29-May-13 23:23:45

We get Genius bread - also jaw dropping expensive but DH makes his own bread which DD can eat. He just doesn't make it often enough!

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 07:35:11

Thanks! I do look out for the calcium label I think I'll try cooking with the milk again, I hadn't even thought of bread!! Does normal bread have soya in it? Sorry to sound dense!

Couthy wondered if you knew of any dfsf transportable non fridge snack type item for holiday, preferably high calcium??

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 07:44:38

Oh also is there a dfsf vegetarian sausage?

janey223 Thu 30-May-13 08:47:04

My favourite dfsf bread is tesco finest oat & something one, its lovely! They're discount brand (those random cheap brands they do) whole meal I think is also dfsf. Waitrose do a dfsf 50/50 type and m&s too.

I make bread a lot but the tesco oat one is £1 at the moment so I've been buying that!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 10:33:57

All 'normal' bread has soy lecithin in as a preservative. I find genius crumbles when you try to butter it.

In fact, I always freeze at least half the loaf in freezer bags - I put two or four slices in a bag (two slices is one portion for DS3, four slices is one portion for DS1).

As for calcium - I don't tend to look at the calcium content of snacks, as I make up DS3's calcium with broccoli and spinach. You'd be surprised at how much calcium there is in them if you use steamed broccoli and very lightly wilted spinach!

I will have a nosy.

I DO use Honey loops or fruit loops as a snack, and they have added calcium. I just put a handful or two in a snack pot.

There's very few dfsf cereals, but these two are. (And lots of the ones that ARE dfsf have been manufactured on equipment previously used for nuts, which counts them out for DS3.)

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 10:35:39

My Tesco extra has stopped all the random budget brands. Which is irritating as DS3 could have the cheap jammy dodgers, but he can't have the branded ones. I'm on my last pack of them!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 10:39:02

Dfsf veggie sausage? I don't know. I can have a look when I go shopping next. I would imagine that might be hard as most veggie sausages use soy in one firm or another instead of meat.

Are you a veggie family then, Doris? I would imagine it is hard to balance dfsf with that. Maybe it's not as hard as I think though - I personally would be screwed for protein for DS3 if we were veggie, as he can't have any nut products either. I guess that does make it far harder!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 10:49:40

When I say I freeze the GF bread, I toast it straight from frozen. That way it doesn't crumble in the toaster.

Other transportable non-fridge snacks :

- The fruit hearts / stars / strings.
- Value range biscuits, but check which ones - the bourbon creams and digestives are fine from Tesco. Also Tesco own 'Oaties' are fine (their version of hobnobs).
- Baby Organix crisps (the red, pink or orange ones) and biscuits.
- Baby fruit pots - surprisingly transportable as they don't need a fridge, and lots have added calcium and vitamins. Not all flavours though, as some have dairy or soy lecithin.
- Ella's kitchen fruit squeezers.
- GF pancakes, that are also dfsf.
- Most strawberry lace sweets are dfsf. As are Jelly tots.
- Raisins.
- Fruit - I use a lot of tinned fruit as well as fresh.
- Orgran mini animals, I get them in multipacks from Sainsbury's.
- Kellog's honey loops and fruit loops.

Hope that's a large enough selection!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 10:54:08

Mad - I've been doing GF for 6 years now (DS1), and I've been doing DFSF for two years now for DS3, and nut free for DS3 for over a year!

It's second nature to allow at least 4-5 hours a week for shopping, across at least two supermarkets a week, and obsessively label-read.

ALWAYS look out for 'new', 'improved recipe', 'better taste' and other things like that on labels of products that you have used happily in the past - it may mean that a food that was 'safe' before may not be, as the recipe may have changed to add something that you are trying to avoid.

janey223 Thu 30-May-13 10:56:12

Most do couthy, the tesco finest oat, spelt and barely definitely does not.

For cereals we have coco pops, rice crispies & weetabix at the moment.

DS still has 2 small bottles and one big a day + fortified cereal + broccoli & cabbage, he also has a cup of decaf tea with oatly. He's not really drinking his morning milk anymore so I'm going to have to start buying some rice cheese confused

janey223 Thu 30-May-13 10:57:21

Couthy I thought jammy doggers were df/sf? Maybe it's the mini ones but I'm sure iwas told one variety of them was!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 11:40:18

Nope - they both have butter in! The cheapy ones are made with veg oil instead.

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 11:44:10

Didn't think to look at oaty bread. Will have a nosy, it might have been discounted for another reason, for DS3 though - I have a suspicion that that may well he the bread that I was dancing around Tesco over, as it was so much cheaper than GF bread, only to find out that it has a 'May contain traces of nuts' warning.

(The nut allergy discounts stuff that IS dfsf. Righteous PITA!)

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 11:45:21

Think coco shred does are also dfsf, but don't quote me on that, check for yourself too, as I don't have a pack in the cupboard currently!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 11:45:42

Gag! Shred does = Shreddies!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 11:46:38

Gag = Gah.

Autocorrect hates me today!

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 12:36:36

Wow thanks that's great! I had bought some fruit pots and rice cakes, had banked on lots of fruit smilesmile

We're veggie but I admit I have relaxed on fish recently after going sf as well as df, we also try to live cheaply and simply so I've never been much into the meat substitutes anyway.
Initially I did worry about protein but dd dietitian said all the protein req is supplied my breastmilk at the moment as I'm still bf on demand, so that's all ok.
Dd dietitian is concerned the calcium as cant be 100% sure of calcium content of my milk even though its probably fine, I just spoke to her and she's now recommended the redwood wot no dairy dessert pots as loads of calcium, no I have to find them or buy online <sigh> interestingly dietitian has never batted an eyelid an the vegetarian thing, and admittedly it's been easier than I thought.

Interesting about the bread though, dd seems ok with normal bread but sick when she has actual soya milk, maybe to do with amount?

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 12:41:47

We have shreddies they are just wheat

MrsAVB Thu 30-May-13 12:43:59

Those "wot no dairy" pots are the grossest df thing I've ever eaten. They sell them in holland and Barrett and whole foods though.
I have the tescos finest oat bread too.

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 12:46:17

Broccoli and tahini/sesame seeds seem to be the calcium vegan winners.

Not sure if sesame seeds are nuts though?

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 12:55:34

Ah right mrsa that might explain the 'if she'll take them' ok well I'll give them a go, can't be any worse than cheezly IMO smileshock

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 13:12:12

Have scoured the shelves for a dfsf sausage, I think she'd love toad in the hole!! All are either dairyified or soya, annoying being veggie as all the quorn options are now out.. Maybe vegetables in batter will do

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 13:17:10

Off on holiday soon, any tips for eating out/feeding abroad? Can you tell I'm new to all this??? Arghh!!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 13:27:21

Possibly to do with amount - DS3 is very sensitive even to traces of soy, soy lecithin is out too.

I thought the 'Wot no dairy' yoghurts were soy based?

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 13:29:14

Never been abroad, at least not since doing GF for DS1, so not in the last 6 years...

Will have a nosy at the wot no dairy dessert pots again, if they are soy free that would be a bonus!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 13:31:05

Tahini is out for DS3 because all the ones I've found have nut warnings on the packs.

I do sprinkle sesame seeds into stir fry though.

MrsAVB Thu 30-May-13 13:37:54

Not sausages, but the goodlife bean burgers are dfsf. But might be too spicy for a small child... And def wouldn't work in a toad in the hole! I think most falafel are dfsf? That might work in a toad?

MrsAVB Thu 30-May-13 13:40:09

Wot no dairy is pea protein or vomit based I think.

MrsAVB Thu 30-May-13 13:44:17

I think it depends where you're going abroad. Some countries cuisine is naturally fairly df. We went to Bali and I could eat most things and i think the same is true of most far east type places. Places like france are bad as lots of things are in a sauce. And elsewhere I just stick with plain meat/ veg/ rice type things but I'd imagine it would be v difficult if veggy too. I would go somewhere self catering I think.

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 13:44:26

Yes pea protein

I have been making little falafels/lentil burgers I hadn't thought of putting them in batter, ooh interesting thought!

Apparently sesame seeds in mash potato is good smile

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 13:44:51

Lol @vomit

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 13:49:29

I bought tahini from Asda it's 100% sesame seeds with nut warning I just checked (we eat a lot of hummus here!) smile

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 14:03:42

That's supposed to say No nut warning

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 14:11:34

Thanks mrsabv I think picnics might be the way forward, that and rice and's central Europe and not been before so not sure of the food

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 14:56:58

I'll stick tahini on my list next time in in Asda then! Tesco one has a nut warning.

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 14:58:45

<<Also sticks Wot no dairy puddings on the net shopping list>>

DS3 doesn't seem to mind vomit pea protein based food - he scoffs soy free Cheezly like there's no tomorrow.

I'm guessing it's because it's all he's ever known...

But it might mean that I have more success with these Wot no dairy desserts!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 14:59:32

Vomit was meant to be vomit crossed out - not sure why that's suddenly not working on the App.

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 14:59:47


Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 15:22:54

How do you do crossed out?

I'm trying to concoct a dfsf cheesecake probably with cocunut milk, I do love the stuff! (might need gelatine though to set - sadly not veggie) if it all fails I'll have a nice icecream cake though smile

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 15:23:54

Oh also marshmallow fluff is dfsf but probably shouldn't be given to small children as its so so naughty!!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 15:40:26

To do the crossing out, you type -- then your word or sentence, but without the spaces, then close it off with the same.

So vomit crossed out would be -- vomit --

Should turn out like this : vomit

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 15:41:41

DS3 had my jar of marshmallow fluff out if the cupboard. I didn't take it away as I knew it was dfsf...

He made a hell of a sticky mess, but he was as happy as a pig in mud!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 15:42:27

I'm sure there is a veggie gelatine. Dr Oetker maybe??

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 15:43:45


CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 15:45:18


To bold a word, do the same with stars.

Agar Agar is a good veggie alternative to gelatin, and is also dfsf. Based on seaweed...?!

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 15:46:06

I'm sure Tesco do a veggie gelatin in a yellow box. Will have a look, I'm just off there now!!

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 15:47:31

Cool! Thanks :-) I'll give the cheesecake a go after my holiday, I'm sure there's a veggie way around it :-)

Ummm marshmallow fluff, gringrin

Do all yours dc have allergies couthy? I'm wondering if Its likely another baby will have allergies, we all seem to in my and dh's families...

janey223 Thu 30-May-13 15:57:16

Think the oat bread warning is their generic no nuts in factory but cannot guarantee nut free.

There's coyo coconut yoghurts from waitrose and rice based ones online/hf shops.

I'm going to get the creamy rice cheese to make cheesecake! Yummy!

DS is allergic to legumes and nuts so its the only kind he can have,

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 16:08:15

Ooh does the cocunut yoghurt need refrigerating?

Also where do you get rice cheese? X

CouthyMow Thu 30-May-13 19:12:47

Ooh new products!

Gelatine : Dr Oetker Vege-Gel is dfsf, no nuts AND veggie. Yellow box, down the baking aisle in Tesco, right next to the ordinary gelatine.

I wrote down the barcode number and promptly lost the post it note, mind you!!

Hope that is helpful to you.

Dorisday13 Thu 30-May-13 20:10:37

Ahh thank you that's fab!!! grinX

MrsAVB Thu 30-May-13 22:14:20

Also - cake. There is a really really good cake that they sell in my local deli which is dfsf. It's Norfolk mixed fruit cake and from a company called something like riverside bakery. Only fly in the ointment for those who are very allergic is that I don't think it's made in an allergen free factory/ bakery. Will check the label when I next buy one (good excuse!).
Has anyone tried dauphinoise potatoes with Oatly or other cream?

janey223 Thu 30-May-13 23:33:39

Yes it's fresh and needs to be in the fridge!

Rice cheese here
Can get it in independent hf shops too, think goodness direct sell rice cheese/desserts too.

Tesco value celebration cake (plain and chocolate) is df/sf but with nut warning, haven't tried it as I normally make my own.

Dorisday13 Fri 31-May-13 08:05:06

Do you think like rice milk they'll be banned for under 5s?

janey223 Fri 31-May-13 08:19:59

No rice milk is fine in small amounts so I think it's ok x

Dorisday13 Wed 05-Jun-13 19:37:19

Wot no dairy pot went down wellsmile

janey223 Thu 06-Jun-13 09:16:06

Making a cake now! It's in the oven but I can't decide what combo to use for buttercream couldn't get Trex but have pure, vitalite and stork block!

Thinking half vitalite half pure, pure has such a nothing taste but sets better than vitalite

MrsAVB Thu 06-Jun-13 09:42:33

Well done with the wot no dairy doris
janey have tried buttercream with pure and vitalite and neither is quite right. Not tried stork. What I normally do is make sure it's flavoured heavily... like dark chocolate or lots of vanilla essence, then you can use pure which tastes worse but sets better.

janey223 Thu 06-Jun-13 10:21:10

I done half pure half vitalite and a glut of vanilla, it's slightly lumpy as DS kept putting the icing sugar in before I could sieve it hmm but its ok, he definitely liked it! I used to love pure but I've got sick of it and its non taste!

CouthyMow Thu 06-Jun-13 17:21:07

Don't use block stork for buttercream - it's FOUL. And lumpy. No matter what you do!

(Tried three times! It really IS rank...)

Mitzyme Thu 06-Jun-13 20:15:55

This is the most amazingly helpful thread ever. Thanks everyone.

Dorisday13 Fri 07-Jun-13 08:27:33

smile Thanks, I agree with the adding lots of vanilla, I quite like the taste of vitalite though maybe I'm just very weird!

janey223 Fri 07-Jun-13 11:47:37

Vitalite is nice but doesn't really 'set'

Dorisday13 Fri 07-Jun-13 15:57:49

Yes I agree and melts on a warm cake/warm day!

MrsAVB Tue 11-Jun-13 14:37:21

But means that vitalite is much better on toast/ jacket potatoes/ anything where you want it to melt! X

CouthyMow Tue 11-Jun-13 16:19:17

On the way home from the allergy show, I got chatting to the man opposite me on the train.

He gave me a recipe for dairy free cheese, similar to mozzarella. His DS can have soy, so he uses soy milk, but when I get 10 minutes (and have some blooming lemon juice), I'm going to give it a try.

Boil soy milk (or coconut milk). Just as it starts to boil, squeeze in some lemon juice. It should start to look all lumpy.

Then strain it through a muslin cloth. Apparently it's just like mozzarella. So I'm going to give it a try!

Dorisday13 Wed 12-Jun-13 14:40:26

Exciting couthy! Have you tried it yet? Coconut milk as in the milk alternative or the tin of? X

CouthyMow Wed 12-Jun-13 14:43:33

As in the milk alternative. Haven't tried it yet - probably tomorrow as I had the seventh circle of hell toddler group today for DS3, and have hydrotherapy after school for DS2...

CouthyMow Wed 12-Jun-13 14:44:03

As in Koko - what used to be Karo coconut milk.

janey223 Wed 12-Jun-13 20:20:02

Ohhh couthy I need to try this! Monkey couldn't even find a cheese at the show hmm although apparently the rice cheese people were there on a different stall and I missed them.

CouthyMow Wed 12-Jun-13 22:32:03

I didn't see the rice cheese people either - and I went round EVERY stall. I don't think they were there on Saturday tbh.

Will try tomorrow evening, if I can find muslin cloth in my supermarket. Would baby ones do?!

Dorisday13 Fri 28-Jun-13 14:53:34

Do you think it is possible to freeze or store open those pea protein yogurt pots????? X

Hensinthehedgerow Thu 22-Aug-13 09:50:48

Has anyone tried to make a quiche?

Beesandbutterflies Wed 09-Oct-13 21:53:56

Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me,

I'm looking for brown sugar paste (I keep finding chocolate ones with milk in) for my dd 1st birthday cake :-)

Many thanks

Beesandbutterflies Wed 09-Oct-13 21:55:14

Hi, just wondering if anyone can help me,

I'm looking for brown sugar paste (I keep finding chocolate ones with milk in) for my dd 1st birthday cake :-)

Many thanks

trixymalixy Wed 09-Oct-13 22:44:46

I just add red green and black gel colours to fondant. Either that or add cocoa powder which is dairy free.

Beesandbutterflies Thu 10-Oct-13 07:39:14

Thanks trixy, was hoping not to have to make it myself, I'm just very lazy! I think that might be the way forward though, thanks!

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