anyone know

[3andnomore]

I don't often post in this section, but, reading a thread here and having heard this statement before " that soyamilk is even more of a known allergen then dairy"....and I am not saying one can't be allergic to it...I suppose you can be allergic/intollerant to just about anyhting really....but does anyone know how high the allergy rate to soya is in say asian countries where it is found probably in the diet more commonly?
I am really just interested if anyone knows...it's something I wondered about, iykwim!

[nearlythere]

bit too technical for me!!

[EllieKthePA]

too technical for me too! but ds's paediatric dietician put him on it, did say we'd need to watch it and see if it caused symptoms tho

[3andnomore]

lol...just wondering here...i.e. if it isn't much of cause for allergy over there...then why is it here..iykwim!
Also, I think, if I have read it right, it tends to be people that are allergic/intolerant to dairy that also tend to react to Soya....hm...or is that not so?
I really don't know enough about allergies, I suppose, dispite having had a few reactions to whatever myself...lol...not these ones though, and not serious ones really!

[EllieKthePA]

a lot of people here say it is a common allergen but i don't really know

have you seen the other thread? there are some links on there

[3andnomore]

which one Ellie?

[rebelmum1]

I haven't heard this, I only know that you just have to trial things and take it in a small amount and test for a reaction if you are unsure. I'm a soya milk user and haven't had any problems, I can't have lactose or gluten but soya for me is just fine.

[3andnomore]

just bumping it up

[tatt]

according to this allergy rates in Australia and Asia aren't that different, guess you just hear more about it in Australia.

www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6D-3SFN8K2-J&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F30%2F1997&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5bc89b220f7ec051835cf7e121a53344

and this one says 1% for soy allergy but 14% in those with cows milk allergy already www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2128.htm

There may be other studies that give different figures. Soy gets into lots of foods so if you do develop an allergy to it it is a real nuisance to avoid it.

[Nightynight]

as far as I know, cows milk is the commonest food to cause problems. I am aware of the soya thing, because my brother has this allergy.

[tatt]

That didn't come out very well so it may not cut and paste. Here is what it said

"Despite a different methodology, reports from several Asian centres suggest a similar frequency of hypersensitivity to these foods in young children although hypersensitivity to shellfish and seafood was more common than for nuts, peanut and wheat, if seafoods are part of the staple infant diet."

"these foods" included soy. Google for asia australia soy allergy and you can find the link

[3andnomore]

thanks Tatt...
nightynight...my question was abit about to find out if it is maybe a western european thing to be allergic to soy... I would think Dairy would be rare in Asian people living in Asia, as they don't tend to have dairy products in their diet..hence dairy being so common here...what with all that tosh about cows Milk being oh so important, etc....!

[Nightynight]

it is an interesting point.

[3andnomore]

another thing just came to my mind...lol...obviously in the olden days people were not allergic to things like Kiwis in this part of the world, because they weren't available in this part of the world...so...are we amybe jsut getting allergic to things that we shouldn't ahve because they would not grow in our region...thing is, in general I think mother nature is prety clever...and I know all our cleanyness and the environment will play havoc..but I am also wondering why our immunesytem isn't just taking it in it's stride...or are allergies dow to that fight in nature..i.e. only the strong and healthy will survive?
Just asking, not having opinion...jus ttrying to get my own thoughts and theories straight!

[williamsmummy]

I suspect that soya allergies are on the increase , along with others for a quite a few reasons.
Soya is a bean, and its protein structure must be similar to that of peanut, as a peanut is a legume. So along with peanut, surely soya as a common food is going to increase.

Over the last 50 yrs soya is a common product in highly processed food, is a difficult one to avoid.

When my son was dianosed with his allergies officially the doc explained that he was one of the 5% of peanut allergic that was also allergic to beans.
Athough in his case, not soya, he can infact eat other legumes like peas and green beans.
Its rare to be allergic to a whole food group of this nature, the only exception of course is milk.
I have no idea what the stats are for legume allergies these days, but bearing in mind that the stats for children with severe allergies in the UK is about one in 70 , I am sure that has gone up.

[thejelly]

I think people are more likely to be allergic to soya milk than plain soya beans because it is quite highly processed - I think (but not sure) that most available soya milk is UHT with a a fair few additives +added sugars to make a bean taste like milk...

[Hillllllllllary]

Yes soya is a top allergy now, because soya is in so many things to replace other ingredients we as a nation have become over exposed to it creating allergies. If you have a look at all the foods in your cupboard the majority of them will contain soya in some form.

You can be allergic to anything, its all about over exposure. I grew up with horses, had a farm, became an instructor and trainer, but as I've been around them so long I'm now allergic to them, If I approach a horse I start to wheeze, then my throat starts to swell up. Same goes for antibiotics, the main reason for drs not wanting to dish them out unless they really have to.

[3andnomore]

so, in asia there is a high number of |Kids/people allergic to soya then...or do they not actually drink spya milk???? anyone know!

[EllieKthePA]

sorry, was off having a baby

this thread had the useful links

[3andnomore]

lol Ellie, that is just unacceptable






congratulations!

[Jacanne]

There is some concern now about how healthy soya is. You might find this article interesting.

[3andnomore]

hm...but why are asians living in asia and having the traditional diet usually so healthy?

[EllieKthePA]

thank you!
and this one will be going straight onto Soya, not even gonna try dairy til he's at least 2

[tatt]

if you read that very interesting article Jacanee linked to it talks about asians largely using fermented soy rather than the versions used in the west. Also explains why if ellie's baby (congratlations) is a boy soy is best avoided.

There are non milk formulas for babies who can't have dairy, there's no need to use soy for babies when you stop breastfeeding.

[Nightynight]

tatt, what sort of non milk formulas?

I used nanny, but I heard recently that it would no longer be sold in the UK?

[Jacanne]

My niece went on to Neocate when she developed severe lactose intolerance, she also had an intolerance to soya. I think you have to get Neocate on prescription though.