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JiltedJohnsJulie Wed 27-Aug-14 21:07:04

On now?

shelsco Sun 31-Aug-14 00:37:32

My ds is tiny. I do wonder if that is linked. The thing is I would have no idea which probiotics he needs. Clostridia sounds likely as he is peanut allergic but you can't get it anyway by the sounds of it. Might try him on biogia and see if we notice any difference.

anotherdayanothersquabble Sat 30-Aug-14 20:29:32

I hope this link between gut bacteria and allergies and the clostridia / peanut allergy link leads to more research and funding in this area.

My DS had severe colonization of citrobacter and another bacteria that I forget, discovered in a private stool sample analysis, treated after several discussions with several GPs with antibiotics (they didn't want to expose him to the risks associated with antibiotics!!!) and afterwards with probiotics specific to the anti biotics he had, advised by a private nutritionist (all at great expense). He grew in the weeks after his treatment, right before my eyes, the improvement was unbelievable.

While I was back and forth to the GP, Immunologist, Allergy consultants, I was repeatedly told that gut problems of this nature are not investigated. I also wanted to have his gut bacteria analyzed afterwards to see if the antibiotics had worked and if the probiotics had worked but was told there are no standards against which to compare the bacteria levels.

This has made me think that I need to look into this area again and see if there is something that we have missed that could be rectified by rebalancing his gut flora.

Waltonswatcher Sat 30-Aug-14 19:50:05

My dd had severe gut damage from massive allergic reaction ( major organ failure , blood poisoning etc ). Was on an allergy free weaning diet and consultant thought it may help to introduce biogia before any of the big allergens were introduced . She came off the ranitidine far easier due to probiotics too . It's all only opinion obvs , no hard facts sadly .

ChangeIsNear Sat 30-Aug-14 19:39:43

I'm using solgar with my DS. It is major allergy free. I don't know if it's helping but defo worth a shot I think. I also think I need to take them too.

I also used the biogaia drops when DS was younger but they are so expensive and finished so quickly!

shelsco Sat 30-Aug-14 16:39:47

What did the biogia help dd with Waltons? Ds is peanut allergic and from what I'd read I thought that clostridia was the probiotic that helped peanut allergy and there weren't really any others as yet, but if there are others I would give them a try if it would reduce the severity of a reaction.

Waltonswatcher Sat 30-Aug-14 13:00:56

Dd and I have just started again on biogia ( consultant gave me a free trial and I really saw the difference so paid for it ).
I used it for Ds molluscum too . It worked .
I am however really wary of anything that costs this much ,its yet another expense in addition to our huge food bills . As I have said on mn before, allergies raise your bills .

shelsco Sat 30-Aug-14 02:33:10
shelsco Sat 30-Aug-14 02:26:14

There is another study by a separate team which has a patent pending. They found a similar thing but it was a specific gut bacteria clostridia (I think!) that made a specific difference to peanut allergy. Giving it to allergic mice reduced their allergy to peanuts. The implication was that different good bacteria might be needed for different allergies, although I may have misinterpreted that. Clostridia isn't available in any probiotics at the moment but if the patent comes through and more research is done, it looks like the aim is to treat allergies with probiotics. I assume that clostridia would be for those with peanut allergy and another probiotic for other allergies and so on. I'll try and find the link to post.

Did it recommend taking a daily probiotic? Any one in particular?

Waltonswatcher Fri 29-Aug-14 22:42:57

A good varied diet . Give the gut a good mulch !

ThisFenceIsComfy Fri 29-Aug-14 21:09:45

This programme gave me one more thing to worry about. DS was born by EMCS and had antibiotics at 6 months owing to a very nasty chest infection. DP has asthma and hayfever. I lived in London for DS first year so not as much access to outdoorsy life. Plus I've noticed that DS seems a bit intolerant to wheat. Hmmm. How can I improve his good gut bacteria? He goes outdoors rolling in mud loads now since we moved but they said the first year was key.

McBear Fri 29-Aug-14 21:02:43

Ha bacterial shower! DD was c section and they said she'd be extra mucousy too because she'd not had it squeezed out of her on the way out

Waltonswatcher Fri 29-Aug-14 18:59:41

There was a figure of 25% c sections carried out in the uk - with that rate it'd be hard to make a link I guess but, it's been known for donkeys years that the vaginal birth is needed for the bacterial shower on the way down .

McBear Fri 29-Aug-14 16:33:51

Are they saying c sections are involved? Ie higher rate in c sections?

I recently developed an allergy at 27. Something I've been around a lot.

I am by no means a hygiene freak, probably just about fall under clean wink. I grew up in a very messy house as my mums a nightmare. I'm from the country so am very outdoorsy.

Waltonswatcher Fri 29-Aug-14 13:42:05

I found the program to generalise and simplify the allergy issue. I was irritated that it only covered anaphylactic reactions when others are as life threatening. It played with The general publics prior knowledge rather that educate further .Gut reactions are specific to us and are as deadly. I hate how I have to explain the difference - it's almost as if people only get 'it' if you yell 'nuts' and brandish an epipen !
The possible causes were ok but with nothing we didn't know and with so much more missed out.
The probiotic issue needs serious NHS funding and controlled testing . It's wrong that probiotics may seriously help but are unavailable on prescription .
My dd was bf , no antibiotics , natural birth, I mixed with filth when pregnant,use minimal chemicals in the home ,no family history of serious allergy . I'm not saying these things aren't a huge factor, just that it isn't that simple .
I loved the bacteria man and wished he had the hour to talk minus all the blah blah blah .
It was all a bit pants . I reckon forums like these offer a rounder view.

anotherdayanothersquabble Fri 29-Aug-14 13:11:34

And I wonder if imbalances in the mother can be passed on to and have a greater impact on the child. I have a child born by vaginal delivery, no antibiotics who has allergies and had a terribly imbalanced gut as a baby.

anotherdayanothersquabble Fri 29-Aug-14 13:10:10

biocare and biocult are worth looking at.

babybarrister Thu 28-Aug-14 08:49:51

Ta v much! will go out looking today ...

trixymalixy Wed 27-Aug-14 22:48:58

Goodness direct have others that are dairy free on their website too.

meglet Wed 27-Aug-14 22:39:53

DS loves Yakult. I might buy it regularly for the forseeable future.

greencybermummy Wed 27-Aug-14 22:30:51

Anyone given probiotics to their DC long term?
Interested to see the link one is dairy free - thanks for that.

trixymalixy Wed 27-Aug-14 22:23:47

I think I'll give this one a go, it has pre and probiotics.

trixymalixy Wed 27-Aug-14 22:20:02

*too

trixymalixy Wed 27-Aug-14 22:19:49

I used one by viridian that was CMP free.

I think I'm going to give probiotics another go to and I am going to try and get the kids outside more.

babybarrister Wed 27-Aug-14 22:13:50

Yep, I feel a bit bleugh too -I had emcs and had antibiotics after DS birth but not before afaik. DS has never had anti biotics as I am frightened he would be allergic to them grin. DS breastfed for 6 months, yes v urban accommodation but we are outdoors a lot and not v house proud - ask my MIL! I lived in developing world before DS born so presumably my guts should have been stuffed full of the 'old friends' bacteria - and DS never washes his hands after wiping his bum grin so I am sure there must be loads of faecal bacteria swirling around our house ....

I am up for giving DS probiotics - anyone have any suggesting for the cmp allergic though?!

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