GoT theories - Spoilers

(159 Posts)
ZombieBelle Fri 31-Jan-14 09:35:04

Started this off the back of the chat thread, where we didn't want to disclose spoilers for those that have only watched the series.

What do you think happens?

Poor Jon Snow. Stabbed... to death? I think so, but Melisandra is at the wall. he'll be brought back. His vows to the watch ended since he died. I have a sneaky feeling he will be on the Iron throne due to his parentage.
(Rhaegar and Ned Starks sister (can't remember her name)

I really see Dany going the way of Mad King Aerys. I think someone will put an end to her the way Jaime did Aerys, possibly Tyrion. There is a lot of indication of the bond between the 2 brothers, i think both of them will be "kingslayers"

A big 'un - Eddard Stark, is he dead? I've heard theories that a faceless one took his place. Varys seems to be in control of a lot more than he appears (and he appears to be in control of a lot) I have a sneaking suspicion that these theories are right and he and Arya will meet up.

Ned's sister is Lyanna.
Marking my place for a proper chat later, have annoyingly got lots of rl stuff to do this morning.

ZombieBelle Fri 31-Jan-14 09:52:48

so do i, but i am doing my best to avoid it!

Trills Fri 31-Jan-14 10:16:53

I don't think that parentage is going to be terribly relevant in who gets the Iron Throne - it'll be taken by strength or by cunning, not given by inheritance.

Trills Fri 31-Jan-14 10:17:58

Maybe the whole iron throne will get melted down.

I love the Ned being replaced by a faceless assassin, brilliant theory.

Yes, I think Mel will bring Jon back, hopefully like you say he will be released from his vows, the nights watch could fall all together anyway when the others attack. I don't think I would like to see him in kingslanding. I would prefer to see him as king in the north at Winterfell.
Yeah I think the iron throne will go, possibly with kingslanding, either Dany or Cersei will burn the city to the ground I think.

Who do you think the Valonqar is ?
I know a lot of people think it is Jaime, but I think possibly the hound, who will fight Robert Strong / un Gregor as the Septons champion. I know he supposed to be dead, but I think he is the grave digger at the monestry type place.

Badvoc Fri 31-Jan-14 12:31:47

Really hope jon lives and rules winterfell.
Dany is just annoying now.
Would love tyrion to sit on the iron throne but doubt it will happen.

I think Ned is probably dead. The gravedigger is definitely the Hound but I don't know if he will come back. I think Jon will definitely be kept alive.

The things I'm wondering...

Is that really Prince Aegon?

Will Dorne ever get their revenge? (I loved the revelation of the long game Prince Martell was playing)

What on earth is going on with the Citadel people? I found that all really confusing, need to read again.

Is Victarion now undead, like Beric was? What's going to happen when the fleet gets into Dany's war?

What happened to Rickon?

Also, I'd love to see Zombie Cat, Newly Savvy Sansa, and Assassin Arya in the same room again. Just to see how much general freaking out there would be.

Badvoc Fri 31-Jan-14 12:54:30

What happened to benjen?

TheNightIsDark Fri 31-Jan-14 12:58:01

Marking place. On second rereading of the series and praying George R R Martin doesn't pop his clogs before finishing confused

I want Tyrion on the iron throne. I'm warming to Sansa a bit but she's still meh compared to Arya.

I think Aegon is a fake, a Blackfyre so still blood of the dragon, just not a targ. I don't think he knows though, I think he believes he is Aegon.
I hope we find out what happened to Benjen in the next book, he has been mentioned too many times to just disappear altogether.
GRRM has said we will got far north, to the land of always winter in the next book, hopefully we will meet him there, even if it is just from Brans POV, via a tree.

Squirrelsmum Fri 31-Jan-14 13:04:19

It has been a while since I read the books so my memory is a little sketchy, but I think the wildlings play a big part in Jon Snow taking over the north. I see him becoming a formidable figure but George RR likes to kill his characters off so who knows. But he is definitely first in line for the throne so whether the giant pulls him out of the throng or he is brought back from the dead by the woman in red. So many people to potentially back him.
Dany is losing the plot and I can't see her making it back with dragons in tow, but then if Tyrion takes her side, he is often underestimated.
I remember reading that Cersie was being taken to be executed, did that actually happen?
Valonqar is high valerian for little brother, I can't remember the context but does the Bran Stark fit? Where does he come into it again?

Trills Fri 31-Jan-14 13:14:08

I would like it if it turned out that the Targaryens have no magical connection with dragons, it's just that they used to know the secrets of how to train them (and nobody had ever put those dragon eggs in a big fire before).

mimbleandlittlemy Fri 31-Jan-14 13:29:36

I've sort of gone along thinking Benjen is Cold Hands (or whatever he is called), or am I delusional?

I need a reread, but I remember thinking benjen was coldhands, so youre not completely loopy grin or I am too?

Apart from that, I like all of the OP theories and hope they could be right. But then we all know what grrm is like...

ZombieBelle Fri 31-Jan-14 14:29:39

I too, think Benjen is coldhands, there's too much humanity in him for him to be a non-character IYKWIM.

Aegon, hmm, i was quite annoyed that they sprung him on us. I think he will be a bit of a non issue tbh. He will get killed (bets money on it)

Dorne has a lot to play for. They will definitely have a part to play in the end.

I am starting to think that Westeros might be divided again. It seems like it worked better that way, then having 1 king in KL

I don't know about Benjen being cold hands, I did think so but then Leaf said that Coldhands had been dead for a very long time, or he was very old ( will have to reread )which by their standards should be older then Benjen is iykwim.

But yes, he is a big contender, either him or The nights king.

BigW Fri 31-Jan-14 15:07:03

my memory is a touch sketchy too, but I love hearing these theories. Tyrion is my favourite character and I would like to see him on the iron throne. I wondered whether he would team up with Dany along with Arya or Jon and retake Westeros.

ZombieBelle Fri 31-Jan-14 19:00:13

arya Benjen is dead, he's technically a white walker, but a helpful one (if he is indeed coldhands)

Oh yes I know, I didn't explain myself very well.
I did a quick wiki search, and leaf the child of the forrest said "they killed him long ago" in regards to Coldhands (I knew it was something along those lines)
Obviously the children of the Forrest live for hundreds of years and time is different to them, so a long time ago to them would mean a long long time ago. Which means Benjen wouldn't be a likely candidate as he would only be dead a few years if that. Unless of course they mean a long time ago in human years in which case it is most likely him grin

Sheldonswhiteboard Fri 31-Jan-14 21:28:20

Ooh a sullied thread, dons boiled leather and wades in....

Valonquar - I think that translates as little brother, obvious candidates are Jaime as the younger twin or Tyrion but could just be a younger brother in another house, maybe Rickon who is AWOL in Skagos, I think at the moment? I think Cersei said of Jaime, " we came into this world together we will leave it together", maybe they will kill each other.

There is also a theory that the twins are secret Targs due to incest and Cersei's seeming fascination with fire but I'm not convinced of it.

Leaningtoweroflisa Fri 31-Jan-14 21:40:06

Re-reading for the umpteenth time at the mo. even so, scuse spelling.

Read a lot about various theories about Jon being the prince that is promised, azor azai (or something!). Likewise Jon and dany are going to meet and fall in love (the blue flower blooming in the wall of ice in Danny's house of the undying visions). According to the Internet anyhow...

There is too much emphasis on how lightbringer is made in the legend - pushing it through his wife's heart to temper it - and how stannis'sword is a fake. I wonder if g r r Martin will be mean enough to give the fans what they want (Jon alive and getting it on with his twue wuv dany) and then make him have to make the same choice of killing dany to forge the new lightbringer?

I needs the winds of winter. Although recent South Park and Ben and holly parodies have sullied the tv series a little, I am v glad I will get my fan girl fix soon...

(Wanders off singing wiener, wiener wiener to the theme tune)

Fuck me I have become such a nerd in middle age.

MothershipG Fri 31-Jan-14 21:46:45

It's a while since I read them but I was thinking that Dany and Jon would get together?

Also a friend in my book group works for Harper Collins and has met GRRM several times and reassured me that he is in good health!

ZombieBelle Fri 31-Jan-14 22:13:06

I think it would make sense for Jon and Dany to get together, the targaryans are known for their incest, whilst the Lannisters are condemned for it... weird.

Jon is not one of my favourite characters (though loved Ygritte sob) but he is like a mini Eddard in some ways, and think he would make a good king.

Does anyone else hate Cat with a passion, well stoneheart now?

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 01-Feb-14 00:13:38

Have never liked Cat, dead or undead, actually thought Eddard was a bit of a naive holier than thou prat as well. The thought of Jon and Dany getting it on makes my teeth itch. I like the Lannisters for the comedic, dysfunctional mess that they are (ignoring the incest and pushing small children out of tower windows)

I think Jaime will sacrifice himself to save Brienne, there's that dream sequence he has where he is underground- I have to re-read and get my head around it.

If anyone also likes Arrested Development there is a great site called Arrested Westros where they take screencaps from GoT and add dialogue from AD, some very funny results.

ZombieBelle Sat 01-Feb-14 06:56:55

oh I love Arrested Development. will go have a look!

miserywaterfall Sat 01-Feb-14 15:03:55

Awesome thread, but it makes me realise I really need to reread A Dance With Dragons as I am struggling to remember a lot of it...!

I think Jaime will be the one to kill Cersei... no idea why or how, but she is so convinced that Tyrion is going to be the valonqar (younger brother) who kills her.

I'm not convinced that Aegon is the real Aegon but I kinda want him to be. I love the Targs and would like to see them back on the Throne.

I don't believe Jon Snow is dead, he has much more story ahead of him, but I like the idea that actually he does die from his wounds (they sure went to town on him!) and that Melisandre brings him back!

ZombieBelle Sun 02-Feb-14 10:20:53

it would make sense if he died Misery, as then he would be released from the Black Watch.

Interesting one about Jaime, think you could be right. I think it would be fitting as well.

miserywaterfall Sun 02-Feb-14 12:21:59

Ooooh true ZombieBelle (love your username btw!) I really want good things for Jon, even though he's a bit of a whiny character.

Who do you all want to see end up on the Iron throne?

I am a sucker for that Jon and Dany theory, despite it meaning incest, haha! In Cersei's prophecy it's said a 'younger more beautiful queen' will cast her down, and a lot of people take that to be Margaery Tyrell, but it would be awesome for it to be Dany!

ZombieBelle Sun 02-Feb-14 22:30:31

I really want Margaery Tyrell on the throne ;)

TBH, i think it will be Jon in the end, I don't think Dany will make it.

HarpyFishwifeTwat Mon 03-Feb-14 03:20:35

I'd love to see Tyrion on the throne, although I've always had a soft spot for Jamie despite his incest and throwing small children from high windows.

HomeIsWhereTheHeartIs Mon 03-Feb-14 04:25:19

I'm scared that I like Jon too much, which means he will surely die. And I want Jamie to end up with Brienne.
That's about all I can remember. Will need to re-read before the next one is out >in ten years time<

TheNightIsDark Mon 03-Feb-14 12:28:45

Cat is an awful character. Absolutely awful. Cannot find one redeeming quality in her. Perhaps because of how she treated Jon though!

Trills Mon 03-Feb-14 12:42:32

Family, duty, honour.

In that order.

That's the Tully way.

Unless you go completely bonkers like Lysa.

TheNightIsDark Mon 03-Feb-14 12:45:03

Lysa was bat shit insane. She's my favourite of the sisters. Which kind of shows the depths of my hatred for Cat.

Maybe there will be a gay love twist. Tyrion and Jon take the iron throne together grin

TheNightIsDark Mon 03-Feb-14 12:47:36

Where is this Ben and holly parody? I need to see it.

I'm rereading the first book. I'm hoping it's magically changed and lovely Ned survives.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Mon 03-Feb-14 12:48:16

Jon isn't dead-he will be on the iron throne. Could hook up with Shakira Dany
Bran rides/controls/is a dragon-becomes maester.
Jamie realises what a twat he has been-leads kings guard
Tyrion-becomes hand.
Not discounting Arya or Sansa.
The Greyjoys get theirs.
gendry-he'll be back
Melisandra and co-defeated, disgraced and burned (I hope)

Badvoc Mon 03-Feb-14 13:15:54

Agree about cat.
I saw Charlie brooker describe Justin Bieber as "the king Joffrey of pop" the other day.
Pmsl smile

TheNightIsDark Mon 03-Feb-14 13:17:41

grin Me and DP call Joff the snivelling little cunt. The Bieber comparison is brilliant!

Badvoc Mon 03-Feb-14 13:19:20

Oh, he is vile isn't he!?
That actor will never work again!

Badvoc Mon 03-Feb-14 13:19:45

Oh! Forgot gendry!

Sheldonswhiteboard Mon 03-Feb-14 18:37:08

I think the actor that plays Joffrey is giving up acting after GoT, shame he plays the little git very well.

And he was such a little cutie in batman.

ZombieBelle Mon 03-Feb-14 20:40:15

the actor that plays Joffrey is amazing. GRRM has even written to him congratulating him! But then, I actually prefer Joffrey to Cat!

Am I the only one who doesn't hate Cat ? grin
I know she was a bitch to our lovely Jon Snuuur, but I don't dislike her, saying that I don't dislike Cersei either.
Talking about a secret gay story line, has anyone seen the
Nedbert theory. . Lots of other interesting theories in there too.

Oh confused don't know what happens there.
working linky.

MegBusset Mon 03-Feb-14 21:29:59

I really wanted Sansa and Tyrion to fall in love!

miserywaterfall Wed 05-Feb-14 14:16:52

I don't hate Cat, I think she just made poor decisions in certain situations, like most of the Stark family to be honest. Though her behaviour to Jon was vile sad I love her as Lady Stoneheart, way more interesting, haha.

How is it possible to prefer Joff to Cat?! grin

Meg I wanted them to fall in love too! In the show there were tiny glimmers of hope for them, which I thought was nice. But in the books... not so much.
Littlefinger is just gross, worrying how that storyline is going to end up... though he did get rid of Lysa for us so I guess he isn't all bad wink

ScandinavianPrincess Thu 06-Feb-14 09:58:58

Does anyone have any thoughts re Jon's parentage. There is a very popular theory that he is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar.

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 11:27:38

I think that could be true.
Eddard didn't seem the cheating type to me.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 06-Feb-14 12:01:29

Never thought he was Eddards, but Eddard was so honourable he took the blame,even though it meant Cat was an even bigger bitch. And makes sense for Jon to take the throne.

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 14:24:16

I definitely think Jon is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar, but I also think that Lyanna loved Rhaegar rather than that he kidnapped her, etc. That's all Baratheon propaganda haha.

SofaKing Thu 06-Feb-14 14:38:35

Love this thread.

Does anyone think the 'younger more beautiful queen' could be Jeyne Westerling?

GRRM confirmed she was not pregnant with Robb's baby, but that she would be seen again in the series. I would love it if everything went wrong for Cersei, and she then flees to Casterly Rock to be confronted by Jeyne, who has a sister so may qualify as a valonquar?
I really dislike Cersei smile

Can't wait for Winds of Winter!

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 16:04:32

Oooh interesting theory about Jeyne Westerling and that she'll be seen again in the series!

I bloody wish WOW even had a release date or some hint of when it might be ready! Have you read the chapters he's put out on his website?

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:14:33

Oooh! <dancing around excitedly>

I luff a good GOT theories thread grin

V V interested in the Jon Snow is Lyanna's son theory - the more I think about it the more it make sense. Espesh Baratheon propaganda bit - Lyanna is portrayed as so strong and willful, I can't believe she just let herself be carried off.

You know the whole "the dragon has three heads" thing? My pet theory is the Daenarys will ride Drogon, and Tyrion and Bran will ride the other two. I have absolutely nothing to back this up with, except the fact that Tyrion and Dany are about to meet, Tyrion know loads of dragon lore and always wanted to ride one. Also, the tree dude who's training Bran keeps saying stuff like "one day you will fly". Next part of my theory is the Bran will get too involved in being a dragon (like he does when he's inside Summer's mind) and will go off on one and burn everything.

<looks around expectantly>

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:16:40

<runs back>

I also really want the Hound and Sansa to fall in love. I'm sure the Hound is still alive.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:19:37

<high five Ohwhatfuckeryisthis for having the same Bran dragon rider theory>

I really like GOT, can you tell?

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 16:22:27

Ah, you see I want tyrion and Sansa to fall for each other...that would piss cerisei off no end!
I worry what will happen to tommen.... sad

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:28:11

Tommen is so sweet. He can't be a true Lannister, he has a kitten called Ser Pounce sad

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 16:29:39

YES the Hound and Sansa, I love that idea too. The Hound is most definitely (imo lol) that grave digger with the injuries, who doesn't speak in the creepy religious place where Brienne (? I can't remember if it was her but I think so...and Pod?) was with the septon dude and Dog the dog. Honestly, really need a reread lol.

I like the idea of Bran riding dragons, very cool! But I don't see it personally, lol.

Does everyone hate Ramsay Bolton as much as I do? I think he might be my most hated character ever.

And he wants to outlaw beets, such a little cutie. It's a shame he is doomed.

Yy misery, the game he played with the "girls" he set free and hunted. Awful, just awful. It sends shivers down my spine.

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 16:31:51

Oh poor Tommen... I think it's bye byes for him sad The prophecy Cersei was given basically said she'd see all her children die, so I don't have hopes from him or Myrcella which is sad because they are actually nice kids considering their mother.

I wonder what's going to happen with Rickon. Is he going to come back all savage and wild like Shaggydog?

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 06-Feb-14 16:32:11

<preens at praise from on high> unfortunately I can't take credit! it's my uber geek of a son. (22, 6ft, shy and single btw, free to a good home)
Oh yes Tommen... (Will nobody thinks of the results of this incestuous relationship?)

I think I prefer Tyrion and Sansa, to the Hound and Sansa.

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 16:36:24

I think Tyrion and Sansa will be annulled assuming they both make it since there was no consumation...I do love the idea of them eing happy together though. In the tv show they are so cute together aswell, haha. Ah George, why no happy endings? hmm

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 16:36:41

Poor tommen <sniff> ser pounce! <wails>
Send him my way OWFIT smile

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 06-Feb-14 16:38:38

Oh don't think Bran will ACTUALLY ride dragons misery I think he will do that dream projecting thing.
Yy to Ramsey. Hope he meets a horrible fate.
Oh and the Direwolves...think Bran's will return. And arya's.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 06-Feb-14 16:39:55

Think the hound will become Sansa's protector.

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 16:40:27

Ramsey will get his, don't worry. More grisly the better.
Not sure how I feel eel about stannis tbh...or where he fits in....

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 16:40:54

...and where he hell is rickon?

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:48:51

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis - tell your DS he has good taste!

Davos Seaworthy has been sent to get Rickon (can't remember why or who by) from what I think will turn out to be Skagos, which is basically an island where people eat each other. I have a really bad feeling about Rickon.... it's going to be something terrible like he kills Tommen at his coronation.

I think Dany and Tyrion will get together, and the Tisha (was that her name?) will come back dun dun DUHHHHH!

Tysha is the sailors wife in Braavos, she is the one who marries men before sleeping with them. She has a young daughter called Lanna shock
I really hope Tyrion doesn't try to sleep with her - Lanna that is.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:57:04

Ayra shock shock shock

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 16:59:41

Also - do we think Brienne is dead? I really hope she isn't, she's one of my favourites. I also want her to shack up with Jaime, which would be fab as it would really piss of Cersi grin

Starting to realise a lot of my theories involves couples, clearly I'm a hopeless romantic blush

TripTuckerInMyStocking Thu 06-Feb-14 17:03:11

I think Jon Snow is a warg and will exist in Ghost.

I also think that Jon is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar.

The gravedigger is definitely the hound!

I also liked Cat but agree she was awful to Jon, but he is proof that her husband was unfaithful to her (at least that is what she thinks!)

Rickon was being taken to White Harbour, can't remember their name but the big fat bastard guy... begins with W.... can't remember the name, are loyal bannerman to the Starks and are only pretending to like the Freys.
They intend to rescue Rickon.

TripTuckerInMyStocking Thu 06-Feb-14 17:05:04

Yep - they captured Davos and told him to go get Rickon.

Wilem? Wylem? AhhgggHHH!!

TripTuckerInMyStocking Thu 06-Feb-14 17:06:35

MANDERLEY!!! that's the bugger's name!

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 17:07:10

Oh duh, Ohwhatfuckeryisthis that makes WAY more sense than the image of him actually physically riding dragons, hah! I loooove that idea now!

Arya Incest is a Lannister theme...lol

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 17:08:13

Manderley who made pies out of Freys grin

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 17:10:41

Dunno, Bran could ride a horse with this special saddle that Tyrion (adding weight to my Tyrion dragon rider theory) designed, so I don't see why he couldn't ride a dragon.

Does Rickon have the strongest claim to the throne in the North? OH GOD JUST THOUGHT what if ends up in cahoots with Ramsey Bolton? If he falls into the Frey's hands that would end so badly, the only moral guidance Rickon has ever had is a direwolf sad

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 17:21:08

Noooo!
Not rickon and Ramsey!
confused
I hope Tyrion manages to save tommen - maybe swap him like Theon did with bran and rickon...?
I think Tyrion is fond of tommen.
Poor myrcella...scarred for life then what?

I loved the Frey pie thing, I always think of it when I see a fray bentos pie.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 17:42:24

Ooh miserywaterfall I want to make a Frey bentos pie joke now smile

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 17:42:53

Ahh epic cross post Ayra grin

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 17:46:30

A Frey westeros pie!?
smile
Sorry.
<gets coat>

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 06-Feb-14 17:49:31

Badum TISH! 10 point Badvoc grin

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 17:58:25

<feels pathetically pleased with self>
No one else understands my GofT love in this damn house!

grin Badvoc.

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 18:21:16

And yes, if I had another baby it would have a GofT name.
There...I said it!

I can see it now.........................................................

"Theon, come inside for your tea!"

smile

Theon is a good name, I like it. Doesn't sound too made up, just a cross between Theo and Leon.
I would have Asha and Bran or even Jaime, which is probably due a revival.

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 18:33:53

I like so many of them!
Probably good job that I have stopped breeding sad
Apparently there are quite a few "khalessi"'s knocking about in the US!

miserywaterfall Thu 06-Feb-14 18:38:14

Jaime is totally on my boy name list, I love Theon but I hate the character so much I couldn't inflict it on a child :D ...Khaleesi is just too far! I also love Catelyn, but people with pronounce it Cate-lyn and that would annoy me too much... I also met a girl once called Varys, spelt the same but pronounced Vah-reece lol. I didn't tell her she had the same name as bald eunuch(sp?).

WhoWasThatMaskedWoman Thu 06-Feb-14 18:41:22

Brienne definitely can't be dead. I refuse it.

I like the theory that the twins are actually Rhaegar's (was it Rhaegar? A Talgaeryan anyway) children because he was in love with their mother. It entertains me to think that Tyrion was actually Tywin's only child.

I've just finished DwD, and have googled plot theories - I missed so much, including some really obvious stuff which I must have missed while reading half asleep in bed.

I get irrationally annoyed about the khaleesi thing, I know people think they are naming their daughters after a strong powerful woman, which is good, but it just means wife of a horse lord, most horse lords share their wives with their khalisar, and their horses. It's just not something I would want for my daughter. grin

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 18:41:59

Ha! Very tactful of you misery smile
It was driving me mad where I had seem the actor who played Robb before...then it hit me...he was in "birdsong" which also starred Joseph mawle who played benjen stark!

WhoWasThatMaskedWoman Thu 06-Feb-14 18:43:56

Oh and frankly I don't care what happens to anyone as long as Ramsey Bolton gets the worst and most protracted death of all - I don't want the details, I just need to know that it's horribly traumatic and takes years.

I haven't seen it Badvoc, is it any good ?
He was also in Sirens, with the phone jacker bloke.

Badvoc Thu 06-Feb-14 18:53:02

I liked it, but I enjoyed the book too.
It's a bit heavy in parts (and very sad) but I thought it was a great piece of tv making.
And Joseph mawle acted everyone else off the screen (as usual)

Ooh this thread is great timing for me - I've just finished the last book and have serious withdrawal symptoms. I just can't accept Jon Snow is dead and after the other character resurrections, I'm hoping for the best. However, after reading that Cat (boo hiss) was still around, I did get a bit concerned that Rob was going to reappear, Anubis styley, with his sewn on Wolf's head. Thanking goodness that hasn't happened (so far)....

Loving all the theories, especially about Jon's parentage and I'm sure I got the impression Brienne was still alive.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Thu 06-Feb-14 21:18:38

Oh made mistake of engaging Fuckery junior (font of all GOT knowledge) about what he thought. My brain is now pouring out of my ears. Bran becomes dragon warg (love that word) yes. But has completely revised his plausible theories about it all. Apparently, GRRM has said one thing he isn't going to do is a popularist ending. So no Jon as king, no Jaime/brienne, Dany goes snooker loopy and allies with Greyjoys, Rickon snuffs it. I tried to get him to sign in to do a spread sheet of theories but he just went (hmm)

Sheldonswhiteboard Thu 06-Feb-14 21:40:07

I think Bran will end up permanently in that tree.
The Hound is the gravedigger.
I wonder whether r + l =j is too obvious?
Jon will be brought back from the dead, maybe UnJon, like UnCat ( Hope not though she still annoys me undead).
No happy ending for Jaime and Brienne, I think though that they are still alive at the moment. I don't think Jaime is the valonquar, I'm sure that means little brother, so although that could be either Jaime or Tyrion, it could be any little brother, mabe even Tommen! I reckon it will be Rickon who eats her liver with a bottle of Arbor red after spending too much time on that cannibal island.
I'm still convinced that Sansa will push Littlefinger out the moon door and she will be Queen in the North. Dany won't sit on the Iron Throne, she'll go completely mad and like Aerys will think she is immune to fire (I know she survived Drogo's funeral pyre), but I think she will be consumed by dragon fire. Westeros will dissolve into the 7 kingdoms again.

Yes I think Bran will warg a dragon, so agree with him there.
GRRM has said it will be a bittersweet ending. Some of our very favourites are going to die horribly, or kill each other.
Is Fuckery Jr on Here ?

TripTuckerInMyStocking Thu 06-Feb-14 21:53:32

Yep, I hope Sansa does for Littlefinger, the slimy git.
I bet she does end up married to Harry.

I reckon Dany will get herself killed at some point and Jorah will do himself in.
Does anyone else think the Quentyn Martell storyline to be utterly pointless?

I also wonder about poor Myrcella sad And what will happen to Selyse and Shireen on the wall now that Stannis is dead.

I'd like to tie Ramsey and Joffrey together and stick them in the Sarlek pit!

WhoWasThatMaskedWoman Thu 06-Feb-14 22:53:47

Stannis isn't dead - I'd put money on it. His story has a way to go yet, we've only got Ramsey's word for it that he's dead, and apparently there's a chapter been read out from WOW which has him alive.

WhoWasThatMaskedWoman Thu 06-Feb-14 22:56:46

I'm hoping that there's more to come on Shireen though. Assuming Stannis ends up dead (not now, but probably before the end of the saga) then she's the only legitimate Baratheon heir, and the hints we've had of her character have been good.

Trills Thu 06-Feb-14 22:57:10

I'd like to see some prophecies NOT come true. Not in any interpretation that anyone (in-universe) can see.

e.g. Cersei dies before all of her children

Because even in a world where true prophecies exist (perhaps especially in that kind of world) there will still be plenty of charlatans.

Yes Trills, I think GRRM will have put a few red herrings in,just to fuck with us. grin
I think a lot of prophecies will be self fulfilling, especially in Cerseis case, I often wonder if she is the younger and more beautiful queen and she will be her own down full.

jammietart Fri 07-Feb-14 11:22:13

Help! Targs? i really can remember who/what they are. can somebidy remind me?

Trills Fri 07-Feb-14 11:34:01

People just can't be bothered to write Targaryens. (mad dead dragon king and family)

jammietart Fri 07-Feb-14 12:00:30

Right. Of course. Thanks

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Fri 07-Feb-14 12:12:13

I'm not sure arya, I got internal error. He looks everywhere. (And keeps his online persona hidden from potential stalkers --his mum--)
Sheldon I like your Dany theory. And your Littlefinger idea although I have tiny crushette on the actor

SofaKing Fri 07-Feb-14 12:12:18

Has anyone read 'The Princess and the Queen', from the Dangerous Women anthology?

It is about the first Dance of Dragons where the Princess, the named heir, isn't informed by her stepmother of her father's death because her stepmother wants her own son to be King.

The body count, both human and dragon, is horrific, and it has served to convince me the last thing we want is more Targeryens on the throne!

I loved Aiden Gillen in the wire, I have a bit of a crush on him too.
I haven't read The Princess and the Queen yet, not long finished the hedge knight. It's in the same series isn't it ?

miserywaterfall Fri 07-Feb-14 12:54:44

Ooooh I haven't read it either, might have a look for it.

Arya he was awesome in The Wire grin

TripTuckerInMyStocking Fri 07-Feb-14 13:07:04

I kind of hope that Stannis isn't dead, just because it would be too awful Ramsey killing him because he is such an evil fucker.
But you have to admit Renly and Stannis almost deserve their fates for being too hard headed to work together. Stannis WAS Robert's rightful heir and the chances are Shireen would never inherit the throne, making Renly's Stannis's heir. IF they worked together, they could have taken the Iron Throne from Cersei and Robb would have been content to let him and returned North.

miserywaterfall Fri 07-Feb-14 13:19:09

Agreed there Trip Stannis and Renly should have put their crap aside and worked together. Poor Renly <3

TripTuckerInMyStocking Fri 07-Feb-14 13:48:46

Poor Loras as well sad

I luff little finger in Medieval land. bad lip reading got.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 08-Feb-14 13:01:56

Noooo I don't want Dany to end up a bad mad Targ <pouts> But it would be classic GRRM. And it definitely wouldn't be a populist ending sad

I totally have Danearys down on my potential baby name list. Thankfully DP is sensible and will stop me calling our future children Daenarys Lyra even though that would be a brilliant name

It's ages since I read the books, who's the dude who was on the boat with Tyrion who is actually a Targ? I think he's going to turn out to be a rum one.

I think the Martells are really interesting, especially the Sand Snakes. I want to see them developed more in the future books, whenever they arrive <impatient>

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 13:43:16

Supposedly Aegon. It was believed he was killed in the sack of Kings Landing but the theory is that another body was presented to Robert and Varys smuggled the real Aegon away.

If genuine would bugger up Danys plans as he is older then her.

Badvoc Sat 08-Feb-14 14:11:14

Daenerys is lovely smile
If he kills jon off I will be deeply unhappy.
Deeply.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 08-Feb-14 14:33:00

That's the badger. So the people with the best claim to the Iron Throne are:

Ageon - Targaryen descent but a bit of a prick IMO
Gendry - trueborn son of Robert Baratheon - would his claim would be stronger than Stannis'?
Jon Snow - if we accept the Lyanna/Rhaegar theory, but bound to the Black Watch until DEATH <heavy wink>
Daenarys - Targargen and BAMF

Am I missing anyone? Interestingly, these are all characters that the Lannisters/Freys/Baratheons either don't know or don't really care about.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 08-Feb-14 14:38:41

Of course, having a claim to the throne doesn't actually mean anything, it's going to be about who has the most power, and manages to kill Littlefinger and befriend Varys. C'mon Sansa!

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 14:53:40

Gendry is illegitimate though so I suspect Stannis would have a greater claim.
Jon Snow - illegitimate as well (unless there was a secret marriage and R + L = J I still think it's too obvious).
I think Aegon currently has the greatest claim but is he for real?
Dany, no if Aegon is the real deal

At the end of the day I suspect might will out, so at this point who knows!

I'd love Sansa to off Littlefinger, maybe she is the younger more beautiful queen who will replace Cersei. I just want GRRM to get the rest of the books written!

TripTuckerInMyStocking Sat 08-Feb-14 15:59:19

Yeah as Rhaegar's son, Aegon has the stronger claim than Dany, Rhaegar's sister. It is possible Rhaegar secretly married Lyanna, as Targaryens were not only known for marrying their sisters they sometimes had more than one wife.
I suppose the illegitinacy of certain claimants could be turned into legitimancy, after all, Ramsey the asshat wanted to be made illegitimate (hence killing off Roose's trueborn sons). It wasn't that Roose wasn't able to he just didn't want to as he didn't like Ramsey. A bit like Stalin complaining about Hitler's concentration camps hmm

And Stannis tempted Jon Snow with legitimating him as Ned's son (even though we all think he wasn't) - and hence making him heir to Winterfell.

I hope Zombie Cat gets to find out that Jon wasn't actually Ned's son before she gets incinerated/decapitated/whatever.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 08-Feb-14 16:13:11

Ah yeah I hadn't thought about the illegitimate thing, good point. Does Gendry know who his father was? He seems to be a bit of a loose end atm, the Brotherhood without Banner bores me slightly.

Badvoc Sat 08-Feb-14 16:18:35

Kate...
When you play the game of thrones you either win.....or you die.
smile

Badvoc Sat 08-Feb-14 16:20:50

Who would Ned have favoured do you think?
Not Jon snow...he let him join the nights watch!
Gendry?

I think Ned was Team Stannis before his death,and the "revelation" that Robert had an illegitimate son would not have changed that. He was very loyal to Robert, so would never have supported a Tagaryan claimant as that would have been an acknowledgment that Robert's Rebellion was wrong. And he had strong feelings on illegitimacy, so wouldn't support Gendry.

Badvoc Sat 08-Feb-14 16:27:36

Oh, of course he was!
It's been a while since I read the books...
Yes.
Stannis and then renly would have made sense wouldn't it?

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 16:29:23

Robert still has plenty of bastards alive. He had 16 in the books.

How can Sansa legally marry Harry?

Book is out 2015.

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 17:03:44

Hmmm 2015, had these false dawns before, here's hoping he sticks to a deadline!

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 17:04:42

I think the marriage between Sansa and Tyrion could be annulled on the basis of non-consummation.

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 17:07:22

Well yes, but until it is, she is legally married to him.

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 17:15:41

true, I presume the High Septon has to declare an annulment, or given that Tyrion has buggered off maybe it's abandonment!

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 17:36:43

She was only 12 when she was married to him. And, in the books, after being around Lysa, Robert and Littlefinger, she starts to realise she preferred Tyrion.

KateSMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 08-Feb-14 18:08:03

I want Sansa and Tyrion to become mates, and I want a scene where Sansa apologises to him for making things so difficult for him.

I have major love for Sansa though. She's going to learn all of Littlefinger's secrets and then push him out the moon door grin. Like Badvoc said, in the game of throne you win or you die, and Sansa survived Kings Landing, so I think she's winning.

What do we think Arya is going to do? I hope there's a Nymeria reunion scene.

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 18:17:38

She was only twelve/ thirteen in the books. I don't think he holds her behaviour against her, tbh.

TripTuckerInMyStocking Sat 08-Feb-14 18:49:07

Yep, I think Nymeria is the head of the huge pack roaming the Riverlands.
Arya is going to become a faceless man and off Varys! Which would be a shame because I kind of like Varys.

I'd also like to see Sansa/Tyrion. As for Sansa marrying Harry the Heir, I assumed Littlefinger is going to maintain the fiction that Sansa is his bastard, Alayne Stone.

Badvoc Sat 08-Feb-14 18:56:28

No one else think littefinger is grooming Sansa for himself?

I'm absolutely positive that Littlefinger is grooming Sansa, but I'm not quite sure why. I guess his plan is to marry her to Harry the Heir, and at some point either produce evidence that Tyrion is dead (easily forged) or get the marriage annulled, reveal that she is the Heir of Winterfell, then get Harry bumped off, marry Sansa and rule Winterfell and the Vale through her.

Does anyone else read Harry the heir as Harry the hair ?
I know that's not how you pronounce it, but for some reason, possibly the h in Harry, it sounds like that in my head.

Sheldonswhiteboard Sat 08-Feb-14 19:37:19

I have a feeling that Littlefinger is grooming her- she reminds him of Cat, he is so going out the moon door.

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 19:43:22

He is creepy, making her kiss him on the mouth. Should have gone to Casterly Rock with Tyrion when she had the chance.

ScandinavianPrincess Sat 08-Feb-14 20:09:18

I love this thread! So happy to see fellow GoT nerds. The Jon as son of Lyanna and Rhaegar could be too obvious.
2015! Cry!

JeanBodel Sat 08-Feb-14 20:26:51

I feel I should point out that all of Robert's bastards were horribly slaughtered.

TripTuckerInMyStocking Sat 08-Feb-14 20:42:09

I agree about the grooming, I think Aintnobody is spot on.

Jean - only the ones that were in King's Landing. Edric Storm is at Storm's End, so Joffrey couldn't reach him there. Though I think he ended up at Dragonstone, after Stannis's men beseiged Storm's End (I think Melisandre offed the castellon Renly left in charge.)
Also Mya Stone in the Vale of Arryn is one of Robert's bastards. There could be other bastards of Robert's elsewhere. Hell, the way he shagged anything that moved, there was probably more than 16, it's just there was only 16 he knew were his!

expatinscotland Sat 08-Feb-14 21:56:40

The woman who gave the prophecy to Cersei said he would have 16 children.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis Sun 09-Feb-14 16:38:44

Oh just seen trailer for got 3 on sky!

TripTuckerInMyStocking Mon 10-Feb-14 10:44:16

I've got the Blu Ray of season 3 on pre order, should be getting it at the end of the month.
I think it's season 4 they're about to show on Sky?

miserywaterfall Mon 10-Feb-14 11:36:38

Season 4 starts in April, yeah! Wooot!

TripTuckerInMyStocking Wed 19-Feb-14 19:49:54

Woohoo, season 3 Bluesy has arrived!!!

TripTuckerInMyStocking Wed 19-Feb-14 19:50:31

Bluray! DYAC!

WhatWouldCaitlinDo Wed 19-Feb-14 20:12:32

I am really hoping GRRM sticks to the 2015 deadline. I'd say HBO are putting serious pressure on him - their viewer figures would crash if people thought GOT was an unfinished epic...

TripTuckerInMyStocking Wed 26-Feb-14 06:46:40

Wow, watched the Red Wedding episode for the first time. That was brutal, but at least I knew what was coming.

Brockle Sat 08-Mar-14 06:59:56

just finished dance with dragons and loved it. Jon better not be dead. I don't think he will be because there have been too many hints about his parentage. I reckon Bran will see who Jon is and tell him. Melissandre will prob find out too. I really wanted him to kick Ramsey Bolton's ass.

in the end I think it will be the three targaryans fighting for the throne: daenerys, aegon and Jon although I do think that the fight for the wall may unite them for a time.

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