AIBU to be so angry to have just found out that 'Game Of Thrones' has not been completed yet?

(94 Posts)

Well, am I?

So I worked myself through all 5 books (7 if you coung that 2 of them come in 2 parts) and only then to I find out that the next installment won't be fecking published until 2015 shockangry!
I mean, I ask you!!

<<sigh>>
sad
<unfullfilled and frustrated>

Somebody could've warned me....

DisneyDiva87 Sun 15-Sep-13 16:29:02

Not at all but at least you have something to look forward to

Oh nononono, that argument does NOT make it better.
I don't do deferred gratification v well... grin

He wrote the first book in 1996 and is still not done?

<humph>

Thrustbadger Sun 15-Sep-13 16:40:42

He's really old as well so he might die before he finishes it!

shock

Oh you bad, bad badger, Thrustbadger - don't even think that. I will die of Acute Uncompleted Plotline Dissatisfaction sad

tries really had not to mention badger culls as in bad taste, but fails

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 16:48:35

Don't worry, you've still got Dunk and Egg to read.

I did my time waiting for Harry Potter to end, never thought I'd be in the same position again with another series!

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 16:50:41

Winter is coming.

What are Dunk and Egg please?

Isn't there one coming out this year? Its 7 books in total isn't it? ( not counting the weird split up books) and the last book is 2015. That's what I read anyway.
No spoilers please - I'm only half way through book 4!

It's actually progress if they're saying 2015!

I know it's infuriating. I'm surprised no one has pulled a Misery on GRRM yet.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 16:54:56

It's a mini series about Ser Duncan the Tall and Aegon (Maester Aemon's little brother).

They can be found in these books:

The Hedge Knight

The Sworn Sword

The Mystery Knight

Ah. I think my source may have been Wikipedia thinking about it! blush

Nonono, I don't want to read about even more frigging characters -
I want to know How It All Ends.

You know, traditional storytelling: beginning, middle, and crucially, END.

There is an Amazon review who said they feel it's turned into a soap opera, just goes on and on without anything coming to any kind of conclusion.

What is 'pulling a Misery'? <interested>

Ah see, wrt HP, I waited until they were all out and then read the whole lot back to back <weirdo>

I've been on the GoT wiki - but they don't know more either; how would they, I know, but I need my fix.

And the TV series is just... well, okish, I suppose. I've only just seen the first 2 episodes, admittedly.

Maybe I should start on Terry Pratchett's Discworld series in the meantime? Which one first or is there a chronological order?

And is there an End, hm??

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 17:07:15

All the different characters is what I like best about it. I like epic stories with a really detailed back story.

As far as I know from the ASOIAF forums, there is no expected due date for the next book, however there are a couple of chapters that have been released which you can find on the web.

Part of me doesn't want the next book to come out because the few of my favourite characters that aren't already dead will probably get killed!

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 17:08:26

Colour of Magic is first in the Discworld, and they are still being written too I think... but there are hundreds of them to get through.

SilverApples Sun 15-Sep-13 17:11:53

Love Discworld, fantastic storytelling!
I'd start with Wyrd Sisters
Or Guards Guards.

sleepyhead Sun 15-Sep-13 17:14:50

I just think how much better off I am than those poor sods who read the first one in 1996 shock

At least I got a run at 5 in a row.

But yes, bloody GRRM. Neil Gaiman wrote a v good blog article about our wish to lock GRRM in a room until he'd finished writing GOT called "George RR Martin Is Not Your Bitch" grin

WayHarshTai Sun 15-Sep-13 17:15:03

Read discworld in groups and chronologically. So read all the Witches, then all the Death, all the Watch and so on, group by group.

Ok then, Discworld will be my methadone then grin
Sorry, more bad taste, I'll stop, honest.

Yes, I like the detailed backstories too, I think the lack of detail in the TV series is what makes it a bit 'flat' for me. Well, and the fact that I know what's going to happen next of course.

I am going to look up that blog, thanks.

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 17:25:24

Thanks Marianne, I'll look them up. I also just finished GOT without realising the series wasn't finished and am bereft.

Does anyone else really want Tyrion to find a lovely girl and live happily ever after? Maybe he could get together with Brienne?

Lovecat Sun 15-Sep-13 17:36:05

Yes. It is bloody frustrating. I have read The Hedge Knight, didn't realise he'd written some more of those (though I wish he'd stop doing backstories and ancient history and get on with the main story).

I reckon Tyrion's going to end up with Danaerys =D

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I read all 5 in one go and am now re-reading them as, having finally got around to watching the tv show, I totally didn't realise that Renly was gay... so I'm re-reading to see if that's actually a thing in the books or just something they decided to do for the sake of the telly!?

GillyBillyWilly Sun 15-Sep-13 17:37:16

It makes me excited to know he's still got more to write/imagine/decide smile

helterskelter99 Sun 15-Sep-13 17:38:14

I actually warn people whenever I recommend them as it gave me the rage too lol

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 17:44:10

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Renly is gay in the books. It's subtle but it's there.

And Brienne should end up with Jaime, not Tyrion. I'm afraid that by the end of ADWD I was not a big Tyrion fan at all.

Everything Stannis does just makes me love him more though!

Misery is a book by Stephen King that got made into a pretty good film. It's about a woman who basically kidnaps her favourite writer and makes him write his next book the way she wants. grin

I'd keep watching the tv series! It gets better and better.

nooka Sun 15-Sep-13 17:53:28

I'm surprised you'd not picked that up before you started to read them to be honest. There was a huge gap between 4 and 5, and a lot of complaining (hence the Gaiman article). The complaints weren't so much about the gap, but the misinformation, as George RR kept saying that the book was due out, Amazon had release dates covers etc and then nothing. Repeatedly. For years. It was very annoying. I really would not hold your breath, and the chances that books 6 and 7 will be published by 2015 I would have thought were slim to none.

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 17:57:00

Renly is gay? Wow, that went completely over my head. Jaime is dreadful, can you imagine what MN would say about a man who not only had sex with his twin sister but fathered three children with her? And forced her to abort her DH's child if I remember correctly. Red flags everywhere.

I can't stand Stannis, he's so wooden. Jon Snow is fab though, and Samwell, and Tyrion is my absolute fave.

Oh bugger it, I'm going to have to read them again now. grin

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 18:03:16

Ah but Brienne seems to be the thing that may redeem Jaime. I don't think he forced Cersei to abort Robert's child, I don't think she needed any encouragement at all to do that, she was intent on cuckolding him because of Lyanna.

Stannis is hilarious, he has an amazing dry wit and doesn't suffer fools at all. I want a series about Davos and Stannis' bromance.

So is Discworld really that good? It's so enormous I feel daunted. If I know absolutely nothing about it, where should I start?

Nagoo Sun 15-Sep-13 18:05:57

<ignores nooka>

Renly being gay I hadn't spotted either. Really? confused

Tyrion is great, so wise for all his obvious weaknesses.

Re Jamie: those are not Red Flags, they are Red Banners of epic proportions. Horrible vain horrible self-interested man <gives him a kick>
Brienne may be his (partial) redemption, but I thought he was beyond that... ?

No, I don't like Stannis either.
If he is so keen on who should be the rightful king then he should aligne himself with Daenerys, non?

I may have to read them all again, too grin

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 18:08:28

But, but, but he had sex with his SISTER! Poor old Brienne deserves better than that.

KateCroydon Sun 15-Sep-13 18:10:16

Jaime didn't force Cersei to abort Robert's child. All her own doing. He did throw Bran from the tower though.

Would still rather date him than Stannis. Scary scary man.

GoT wiki books not TV

Brilliant song grin!!

I love nerds with a sense of humour.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 18:15:03

The baratheons conquered the targaryens. Therefore Stannis is the rightful king unless Danaerys defeats him.

<dedicated Stannis supporter here>

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 18:15:52

Oh god I'd forgotten about him throwing Bran from the tower. The Stark's really aren't the luckiest of families, are they?

Jaime is a strange character; his actions in the first books don't seem to marry with the man he becomes later on.

WRT Renly, am I thinking of the right person? The sadistic one?

SilverApples Sun 15-Sep-13 18:16:45

'So is Discworld really that good? It's so enormous I feel daunted. If I know absolutely nothing about it, where should I start?'

You have to think of Discworld being a bit like this
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Interlocking stories that create a whole.
Start with Guards Guards or Wyrd sisters.
Yes, for those of us that are DW fans, it is one of the most original, innovative and fantastically eccentric series ever written.

Pachacuti Sun 15-Sep-13 18:17:17

You don't need to read all of Discworld in order (in fact, skip the first two (The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic) unless you are a fantasy nerd, as those were written as parodies of other fantasy epics and it was only towards the end of TLF that Pratchett seemed to realise that he could do something interesting of his own using this setting).

There's actually a diagram of possible approaches to reading order.

nooka Sun 15-Sep-13 18:17:46

I don't think that Renly is particularly identified as being gay in the books, but he only has a bit part really. I think they added that in the series to add some more sexual tension (and include a bit of male totty to slightly balance the excessive tit scenes).

Not sure about red flags and Jamie, as he seems pretty trapped in that relationship, and Cercei is just as bad if not worse. In any case he can't get married as he is in the Kingsguard.

I thought that the series was done very well (so far I've not seen series 3 yet) apart from the gratuitous sex scenes which I found very grating. I have tried to avoid reading the books too close to watching it though because obviously they've left things out and made a few changes which I think would really jar. I have the DVDs with commentary so sometimes they explain the changes which is interesting.

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 18:27:03

Ah, I was confusing Renly with Ramsey. I am definitely going to reread these as I think I probably missed a lot the first time round.

KateCroydon Sun 15-Sep-13 18:28:42

@RatHammock

The sadistic flayer is Ramsay Snow/Bolton.

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 18:36:43

Oh that flaying stuff made me feel ill. He really was a particularly horrible chap.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep Sun 15-Sep-13 18:43:39

Yeah, s'true, GRRM is very slow writer. They do say he has told the producers of the TV show what's going to happen in case he does peg it before he's done. Or if they overtake the books, which seems likely.

Link to Neil Gaiman's George RR Martin is not your bitch comment...

Canidae Sun 15-Sep-13 18:44:37

Wanring. May be spoilers.

I Love Jaime!

Renly being gay was in the books but it was subtle. I remember Jaime saying something to Loras about 'shoving his sword so deep that even Renly won't find it'.

And Loras' reaction to Renly's death and when talking to Tyrion about marriage Loras says 'When the sun has set, no candle can replace it.'

Oberyn also refers to Loras as Renly's little rose.

KateCroydon Sun 15-Sep-13 18:57:46

@RatHammock,

Stuff of nightmares I agree. Theon's a fool, but he didn't deserve that.

Oh, the torture scenes... I skipped over those, Theon's and the 'Blue Bard's', or whatever his name was. Flaying sounds like one of those particularly evil inventions that does not make you proud to be part of the Human Race envy <-[boak]. Theon is a bit of a weasel, but most certainly did not deserve his fate.

Yy Cersei and Jamie are as bad as each other, morally and in some of their actions. But Jamie seems to have more redeeming features and flashes of kindsness and he looks great.

Jamie was sent to join the King's Guard after he had been found in bed with Cersei by their father, hadn't he?
And Robert Baratheon is only king because he ursurped the throne after Jamie had killed Aeron/Argon (I get confused with all these Targaryans, not helped by the fact that they marry their sisters to 'keep the bloodline pure' hmm.

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 19:48:24

I did actually end up feeling sorry for Cersei by the end of the last book. And yy to Jaime looking good. grin

I wonder if Benjen Stark is ever going to make an appearance? He sounds like he'd be an interesting chap, though perhaps introducing new characters is not really what this series needs!

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 19:52:42

Jaime was named to the Kings Guard by Aerys because Aerys was annoyed with Tywin Lannister and so deprived him of his heir. Tywin is mightly pissed about that.

Rhaegar (heir to the throne) then kidnapped Lyanna Stark (Ned's sister and Robert's betrothed). Ned's father and older brother travelled to Kings Landing to petition Aerys to intervene, but the King roasted them alive instead and then demanded Robert and Ned's heads. Instead, Robert and Ned rebelled against the throne. Robert defeated Rhaegar in battle and Tywin Lannister sacked Kings Landing (but only once he could be sure to be on the winning side). Aerys was going to burn Kings Landing to the ground and demanded Jaime kill his father, which Jaime wasn't going to do and he killed Aerys to stop him destroying the city.

But as far as history is concerned, a throne won in battle by conquest is fairly won is it not? Otherwise, Aegon the Conquerer (or IRL William the Conquerer would not have any claim to the throne).

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 19:53:21

Benjen isn't a new character. He was in the first book but has mysteriously vanished while ranging beyond the wall.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 19:55:56

And Robert was given the throne because his grandmother was a Targaryen princess (a daughter of Egg/Aegon from the Dunk and Egg stories) so he had the strongest claim.

Sorry, my inner geek is showing isn't it?

RatHammock Sun 15-Sep-13 19:56:04

Oh yes, did he appear at Winterfell while King Robert was there? Marianne, I am in awe at your knowledge of these books. smile

So was it intimated in the books that Renly was having a relationship with Loras Tyrell?

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 19:58:16

Yes poor Loras is devastated by Renly's death. In the TV show they show Loras sleeping around which is completely out of character as Canidae said, Loras said of Renly that "When the sun has set, no candle can replace it." sad

Yes, I've been missing Benjen as well.

Thanks for the summary, Marianne.
I suppose you're right when one accepts a throne won in conquest is justly won.

I love how the whole thing is of course fiction with some magic and dragons thrown in but the High Middle Ages are so well researched and depicted.
I'd've been some poor wench whose life would've been totally disposable at the whim of a Lord.

So, Aegon is modelled on William the Concquerer, eh?
<lightbulb moment>

Ooooh thanks for the Discworld help smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 20:23:54

Pmsl at doing a Misery on GRRM.

I've got a third left to read of the last published book and I have to say I find the whole Dany and Merreen situation complicated and a bit boring. I just can't seem to remember all of the names of the characters there.

The whole Mance Rayder not really being dead is confusing me too. I remember when he was supposedly burnt, and there was some sort of switcharoo. But that's about it. Can anyone explain?

Nope.

Some dead people seem to be deader than others confused - I am alright with magic and dragons and shit, but undead dead... And they don't sound like they'd look attractive <superficial>

I love Braavos and the Faceless Men although I want Arya to find love and life and happiness. I feel all maternal towards her.

And I want all the direworlves to be reunited. Well, all the Stark direwolves.

What's going to happen to Brandon?

What about Samwell? Will he ever become a Maester?

I could go on with questions.
I accept that GRRM is Not My Bitch, but pulling a Misery sounds more and more attractive the more I think about it... grinwink[not really]

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 20:38:53

Melisandre switched Mance with the Rattleshirt (another wilding) and burnt fake-Mance. This is because Rattleshirt was a nasty bastard but Mance is useful (as a King - king's blood is important etc).

Real Mance then went to Winterfell in disguise (as Abel the Bard) to rescue fake-Arya (really Jeyne Poole - Sansa's friend who we haven't seen since the first book).

Bran will become a tree like Bloodraven if you ask me. grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 20:39:48

Yes, I have a hankering for all the Stark direwolves to be back together too.

I couldn't give two shits about Sansa, Bran or Rickon, but Jon Snow and Arya MUST live.

Do you think Dondarrion (I think that was his name) and his crew will appear in the books again?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 20:44:27

Right, thank you for that Marianne, that makes sense now. I wondered why a singer was trying to smuggle out Arya/Jeyne.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 20:48:02

Dondarrion is dead so I don't think he will reappear. He gave the last of his "life force" to Catelyn.

I hope the Brotherhood without Banners makes another appearance. I really want the Blackfish to join them and rescue Edmure Tully, his wife and baby from the Lannisters.

I also hope Sansa starts to gain a bit of power instead of just being a pawn in other people's games.

I feel sorry for Sansa - I think she needs to lurk on the FWR boards a bit and Grow a Spine.

Poor Rickon I feel sorry for - he was only a baby when it all kicked off.

Hm, Dondarrion? Him and his crew are quite colourful, it'd be good if they came back.

Oh, and Jon Snow - is it wrong to be besotted with a 17 year old? blush
The Jon Snow of the books - the TV one is not quite hard enough or something. He's just not quite like the Jon Snow in my head.

And I am proper scared of Melisandre - what is her game? V spooky.

Marianne, you are just a font of knowledge!
How do you remember it all?
You are of course right about Dondarrion.
I like the Blackfish too - I bet he is going to Save The Day for somebody at some point.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 20:58:37

I wish I could remember stuff for my OU course as well as I can retain this kind of stuff! grin

I think The Red God (R'hollor) is some up and coming power. Melisandre is preaching about him in Westeros, but at the same time there is another Red Priest heading towards Danaerys with one of Theon's uncles. I think the "Song of Ice and Fire" may come down to a battle between the red god and the White Walkers.

Or it will be between Danaerys and Jon Snow.

Do you know about the Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon theory?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 20:58:59

I think I must read with my eyes shut - a contradiction in terms I know! I completely missed the bit about Dondarrion, although I remember the whole zombie Catelyn bit.

Oh blimey, who the chuff is the Blackfish?

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:00:33

Blackfish is Brynden Tully (Catelyn's uncle). He was holding Riverrun while it was under seige after the Red Wedding but escaped when Riverrun surrended to Jaime.

Do you know about the Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon theory?

Noooo, pray tell!
<sits up straight>

I thought he's Ned Stark's and some unknown woman's bastard?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 21:04:02

Ah yes, and Edmure is Catelyn's brother?

Give us the John theory.

I've seen snippets of the dragon having three heads being significant, ie three dragons and three people to ride the dragons. One being Dany, another being Jon.

Fire and Ice clearly implies some fight between Hot and Cold, so my money is on the North (Jon Snow) and Dragons (Dany).
Although... will she every learn to control her dragons and actually be able to use them? They seem a bit of a liability for the time being.

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:11:52

Well there is talk in the fandom that Jon is Lyanna's son, not Ned's. In Ned's flashback to when he tried to save Lyanna he descibes her lying in her "bed of blood" which is a term used elsewhere in the books to describe the birthing bed. Then there is Lyanna's dying wish; "Promise me Ned" which it is thought could be her asking Ned to keep Jon safe. The only way he could do that would be to pretend Jon was his own, as Robert would have killed Jon if he knew he was Rhaegar's son.

This would make Jon a potential heir to the throne (although the Nights Watch vows may be a problem), but it could also make him one of the three heads of the dragon.

Oh, I like that theory!

So Lyanna may have died in childbirth rather than having been raped to death? Or both sad?

I can see Jon making a Good and Just King.

It would also mean he is Catelyn's nephew, wouldn't it?

Jon could get together with Daenerys and the might even have a child together? <excited>
How exactly did the foretelling go by the witch who 'revived' Khal Drogo and doomed her child?

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:25:00

Some people think Lyanna ran away with Rhaegar because she loved him, rather than him kidnapping her. There isn't really much evidence for this, other than it being a nicer outcome for her.

The best evidence for this is that she says to Ned that Robert wouldn't be faithful to her (i.e. indicating that she wasn't all that into being married to Robert anyway) and that Ned said to Robert that he never saw the "iron underneath" Lyanna, which would indicate that she knew her own mind and would make her own decisions.

Still doesn't make it any better for poor Elia Martell though! Rhaegar believed he needed three children but Elia could only give him two, so he ran off with a younger woman! Git.

Canidae Sun 15-Sep-13 21:32:09

I find Jon Snow quite boring. shock

With Jon in the Nights Watch, Robb dead, Sansa captive (for now), Arya in Braavos and Bran becoming a tree, I want Rickon to take back Winterfell. I want him riding into battle on Shaggydog surrounded by unicorns!

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:32:56

The witch's prophesy said that Drogo will return when:

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

The sun rises in the west and sets in the east could be a reference to Quentyn Martell (Martell sigil being the sun), he came from the West but died in the East.

The seas go dry could be a reference to the Dothraki sea, which is drying out and the grass is dying.

The mountains could be the pyramids in Meereen collapsing after Dany's dragons destroy them. (Although I wonder if it could refer to Gregor Clegane in some way as he was known as the Mountain that Rides).

At the end of ADWD Dany gets her period, but she isn't expecting it, which has led some to speculate that she is having a miscarriage and therefore her womb has "quickened" again.

So Dany could well have a living child at some point in the future and Drogo will return (zombie-like maybe? Like Catelyn or Dondarrion, or she could just name the child Drogo?).

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:34:49

Rickon will be completely wilding by the time he comes back from Skagos! Could be interesting given how the wildings have been allowed to pass beyond the wall. I could imagine the North being united by Rickon as King in the North and the wildings accepting him as king as he was raised as a wilding himself.

SummerSevern Sun 15-Sep-13 21:41:55

Yes, GRRM makes such a big deal about how there sre always 3 heads to the dragon. So I reckon it's Dany, Jon and SPOILER what's-his-name, the supposedly dead son of Rhaegar(?) from the last book.

Thanks, I could not find the prophesy that quickly.
That all makes sense - I like the Mountain That Rides as the 'mountains blowing in the wind'.

I can imagine a worse childhood than growing up with the wildlings - his wildling woman (?name) is clearly quite fond of him even if she is as Hard As Nails.

shock Jon is NOT boring! <<clutches pearls>>
But I like Rickon riding Shaggydog in to battle grin - not sure that unicorns are likely to feature though grin

MarianneEnjolras Sun 15-Sep-13 21:49:44

Aegon is Rhaegar's son and Osha is the wilding woman looking after Rickon.

I love Dolorous Edd Tollett in the Nights Watch. [I'm paraphrasing here] "We'll fight to the last man!" "Probably me," said Edd.

NotYoMomma Sun 15-Sep-13 21:54:55

everytime someone wonders if he will die before completion he kills a Stark trufax

Canidae Sun 15-Sep-13 21:55:16

But unicorns are rumored to live on Skagos. And cannibals!

Love Edd. He reminds me of Eeyore!

"Place was overrun with rats when we moved in. The spearwives killed the nasty buggers. Now the place is overrun with spearwives. There's days I want the rats back." grin

Oh really? Unicorns on Skagos?
I will have to read the whole thing again, won't I?
Ah well, it might just pass the time... until 2015 or whenever hmm

Edd is totally like Eeyore, why had that not occurred to me grin.

Canidae Sun 15-Sep-13 22:05:23

I'm on my second reading. Takes ages but I'm addicted!

Ooooh Marianne, you are good

I thought the prophecy re Dany was just a witchy way of saying "hello, like never" but you are so right.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 16-Sep-13 14:09:47

I finished the last book this morning. I now need a synopsis of where every character is upto and what they're doing....

MarianneEnjolras Mon 16-Sep-13 14:38:01

Where shall we start ILike? grin

ILike, Try the AWOIAF wiki - you can search for every character individually.
It's not like I have wasted spent hours and hours on it, no siree, not at all blush

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 16-Sep-13 17:36:25

Lordy, I am going to spend hours on that site that I'm never going to get back, aren't I?

Saying that, I'm actually grateful for that link, thank you grin

What is your theory on Jon Snow's current position? The crows have turned against him, Wun Wun the giant is having a massive wobbler and it seems he has been stabbed multiple times. Do you think this is where the whole Warg thing will help him?

grin[evil cackle]

Why should you have more control over how you spend you time than I do? <surveys feral children, untidy house, neglected husband and career in tatters> not really, but it IS a collossal time-sucker

Jon Snow... hm, not sure. Seeing that I fancy him I'd like him to do well, something has to save him and it ain't going to be Wun Wun, is it? So yes, either some magic or other, or a genius maester of some kind?

Oh, I am so excited that the witches prophesy can be explained 'away' - I thought there'd be some way around it like that (it's what happens in all good Faerietales worth their salt), but I just couldn't figure it out, so thanks again, Marianne grin.

I think we should appoint Marianne Expert Extraordinaire on all things GoT - kudos!

KateCroydon Mon 16-Sep-13 19:49:07

Meh. I can't see Drogo coming back. The Dothraki are modelled on the Mongols/Tartars and they never really made it to Europe/Westeros.

I do think Jon Snow's parents are an interesting mystery though - and yes, I do mean 'parents'.

Ach, who cares about Drogo grin?
I just want Jon Snow to have an ickly babee with Dany and Live Happily Ever After.
The baby can grow up to become Emporor of the World.
The End.

See, I've written it for him
grin

SilverApples Mon 16-Sep-13 22:19:20

'they never really made it to Europe'

They made it as far as Poland. Went home for a funeral and a vote.

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