The White Queen

(36 Posts)
littlemissnormal Sun 19-May-13 20:39:53

Really excited about the TV adaption of Philippa Gregory's The White Queen after just seeing the trailer! But it said based on her novels, plural. Does anyone know which other ones will be involved? I'm guessing The Kingmakers Daughter?

ChoudeBruxelles Sun 19-May-13 20:42:06

The red queen. They are the three so far published as part the cousins at war series. She's doing another one but not sure who its about

NomDeClavier Sun 19-May-13 20:49:06

There's the Lady of the Rivers too. I must get someone to record that for me so I can watch it when we're next home!

ChoudeBruxelles Sun 19-May-13 20:49:47

Oh yes - forgot about that one. I really tried to read it but gave up

Bunbaker Sun 19-May-13 20:52:48

When is it on? I loved the books.

littlemissnormal Sun 19-May-13 21:04:20

Not sure, it just says coming soon on the trailer. Just really hope it's not a disappointment. Jacquetta looks like I imagined though!

ChoudeBruxelles Sun 19-May-13 21:06:12

Hated the film of the other Boleyn girl - hope its better than that

Bunbaker Sun 19-May-13 21:09:24

Yes, The Other Boleyn Girl was so boring.

Thurlow Wed 22-May-13 14:19:10

I think it's The Red Queen, The White Queen and the Lady of the Rivers.

I'm ridiculously excited but then I wrote an MA on Edward IV and am a bit of a Wars of the Roses geek blush

LaQueen Fri 24-May-13 17:14:42

I'm trying not to get too excited, as I enjoyed the trilogy, but thought the books quite light-weight compared to PG's earlier historical novels.

I think her publishers wanted to capitalise on the success of The Other Boleyn Girl, and instructed her to churn more out, as fast as possible sad

I liked the trailer, but thought it looked a bit trashy/steamy...and, if the dark haired actor, with curly hair is meant to be Richard, Duke of Gloucester, I'll be annoyed because he was just a young teen when Edward married Elizabeth...and, in the trailer it infers he's annoyed about the wedding (and the actor looks about 30).

I hope they don't feck up the facts, just to make it more appealing to audiences.

Mama1980 Fri 24-May-13 17:21:07

I'm excited too but then I am a archaeologist/historian smile the next book is the white princess I think, released in August and is based on Elizabeth of York.
Does anyone know when this is on, I have a newborn and 2 other children so keeping missing the trailers end!

Thurlow - just being nosey you don't have to tell,smile but what did you write your MA diss on?

Thurlow Fri 24-May-13 18:11:24

The Role of the House of York in the Late 15th Century Book Trade. Exciting, huh? grin

Thurlow Fri 24-May-13 18:12:10

Oh, and no exact dates yet, but I think it will be in about 2-3 weeks as it'll be a Sunday night show and Case Histories is on for the next week or two, I imagine it will follow that.

Mama1980 Fri 24-May-13 18:30:36

Thanks, actually does sound interesting what were your conclusions? It's not usually my area but I'm researching the (physical aspects not political) death of Anne Neville at the moment for a possible article.

Thurlow Fri 24-May-13 18:43:45

You and I could become firm friends grin I have a bit of a 'thing' for the Earl of Warwick, lord knows why.

The dissertation was about how Edward had to spend money on luxurious illuminated manuscripts to copy the Burgundians and try to increase the prestige of the House of York, yet at the same time they promoted Caxton and the printing press for almost the same reasons. It was all propaganda. Ironically, this was a dissertation for an MA in library studies! I just wrote a lot of about battles and Warwick. Lord knows why they let me submit it...

Is this your specialist subject?

WhereMyMilk Fri 24-May-13 19:05:59

Beyond excited-my fave bit of history too!

gwenniebee Fri 24-May-13 19:16:06

I am seriously and sillily excited about all the tudor stuff on the bbc this summer. I know it's a long way from real academia to sit and watch stuff on the telly, but I do love things that appeal to my more intellectual nature. Loved the programme on Anne Boleyn last night.

SilveryMoon Fri 24-May-13 19:38:32

I'm also looking forward to this. I've read loads of stuff on the tudors and that kind of timem that I forget what PG books I've read! I don't think I've read The White Queen though, but looking forward to the series

LaQueen Fri 24-May-13 20:24:45

Anyone else on here looking forward to the Thomas Cromwell program at 9pm tonight, on BBC1 smile

I love a bit of Tom Crom...

Was slightly disappointed in the Anne Boleyn one, last night. Didn't tell me anything new about her. Then again, I don't think there's a lot left for me to read about the period, to be honest wink

Mama1980 Fri 24-May-13 20:38:25

Thurlow- ooohhhh yep the earl of Warwick he always seems to me as very charismatic, and decisive. Alright so he switched sides a bit but at least he did it openly. grin
It sounds genuinely fascinating.
It's not really my area of expertise but I love the period and with all the Richard III news lots of journals are looking for research and articles, both publishable and for archives.
I've been looking for evidence for the physical illness and decline of Anne Neville, though of course it's the trying to understand the rest and how it fits into context that's more interesting grin I like her very much at the beginning but by the time Richard is king all the fight seems to have gone out of her, not that you can blame Her of course! Can you imagine her thread on here....

LaQueen Fri 24-May-13 20:45:06

Mama I always understood her to have suffered, and finally died from TB?

By the sounds of it, both the Neville daughters were quite sickly, and of course both died young.

Mama1980 Fri 24-May-13 20:52:13

La queen, yep she almost certainly did, but it's looking through all the primary evidence for clues and information especially early symptoms, treatments etc. there's a huge amount of potential sources. My working hypothesis is that it was tb though there are some who disagree. I'm trying to create a whole physical picture without external reference to other factors in her 'decline.'
Am no expert though, I'm primarily a archaeologist grin it would be easier if I had some bones to look at! grin

LaQueen Fri 24-May-13 20:54:57

Oh, I'm so jealous Mama I would find it fascinating.

I do think there is a link between her stays in London, resulting in increased physical symptoms - then when she'd returned to Yorkshire, she would improve?

Cleaner air, maybe?

Shenanagins Fri 24-May-13 21:00:56

I am so excited about this as well. I am hoping my ds will hurry up and go to sleep so i can watch Thomas Cromwell!

Mama1980 Sat 25-May-13 07:40:20

Could be..... A thousand different factors come into play, depression, grief, stress, being in London, being away etc. who knows what she felt or was feeling, no one at the time ever seems to care about that only the effect she had on the men she was associated with. makes it very difficult as her illness is nearly always referred to in the context of how it affected/ developed in relation to her husband. It is fascinating trying to work it out though smile

LaQueen Sat 25-May-13 09:59:48

Well, I was a bit meh about Thomas Cromwell, last night?

I studied him, quite intensively for A Level, and developed a bit of a crush.

I think these BBC programs, are a bit too History-Lite for me. And, I much prefer David Starkey.

Mama1980 Sat 25-May-13 18:10:52

I prefer Starkey too, though I'm getting really annoyed at hang to wait s long for the second part of his Henry biography. I don't always agree with him but I like his style.

Leedscatgirl Sat 25-May-13 18:12:40

When does it start as don't want to miss it

littlemissnormal Sun 26-May-13 13:36:57

I'm reading Blood Sisters by Sarah Gristwood at the moment, and she says there's a real lack of information about Anne Neville.

Loved Richard and also Earl Warwick in Sun in Splendour but not in anything I've read by Philippa Gregory.

The Anne Boleyn program I loved, purely for how the opposing historians differed in opinions. Found Hilary Mantel bizarre but couldn't take my eyes off her; very watchable!

lilian1977 Wed 29-May-13 13:28:42

Hi - just letting everyone know that the BBC have just released the media pack for The White Queen. Still no air date except "June". Schedules are released up to 14th June so it wouldn't surprise me if it starts on Sunday 16th June.

littlemissnormal Fri 14-Jun-13 21:02:15

Yep just seen trailer, this Sunday at 9!

Mama1980 Sun 16-Jun-13 20:10:34

So....I'm desperately trying to get my sons asleep in time to watch this! smile

littlemissnormal Sun 16-Jun-13 22:01:44

I know it may not be completely factual but I really enjoyed it.
Liking Edward and Anthony Woodville wink
Think Jacquetta, Elizabeth and Warwick have all been well cast.

macca5 Tue 18-Jun-13 14:19:36

I have two sons aged 12 and 9 who have seen the trailers and are desperate to watch this. I havent seen it or read the books. I'm guessing it's not suitable for the 9 year old but what about 12?

There is quite a lot of sex...

Mama1980 Tue 18-Jun-13 18:05:49

I wouldn't personally there's a lot of sex and adult issues with sex, love, politics etc.

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