To all the people devastated about the Tom Cruise, Jack Reacher film.

(101 Posts)
ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 16:37:37

I have to say I was totally DEVASTATED years ago when he was cast as Lestat in Interview with the Vampire...he was too short, didnt look how I imagined, why DID they have to cast a star I just WASNT into as a character I LOVED, I just felt it was WRONG.

When saw the film I thought he was superb in the role to the extent that I felt it dragged when he was not on screen. Stuart Townsend in Queen of the Damned was far more what I had envisaged but nowhere near as hypnotic for me.

I am STILL not a fan but I would give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

It's the height that disturbs me.

I take your point but I am afraid I must disagree.

There is too much emphasis placed on Reachers size in the books to ever be able to justify this casting.

An unknown needed to be cast IMO.

Have you not seen the trailer?

He is just so not JR!

It's like the complete fuck up they made casting Sean Bean as Sharpe'

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 16:45:54

No. No. No. And no.

The whole point of Reacher is his size. It is talked about all through each and every book.

Tom Cruise is completely wrong. Even his voice is wrong. Not that I've heard Reacher's voice, obviously (I'm not delusional grin) but I would put money on it not being as high pitched and squeaky as little Tom's is.

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 16:47:36

No no no I cannot cope with it. Am a HUGE Lee Child fan - have read every book and I also love Tom Cruise's films (I know, I know - but I like trashy stuff) but it's just not right.

I went to a book thingy where Lee Child was speaking last year and the audience gave him a pretty hard time about it - this was when it had all just come out. He said that Tom Cruise had been phoning him regularly over the past x years asking to play the part if the film was ever going to be made - that he's a real Reacher fan. He said no other actor out there looks like Reacher anyway so it might as well be someone who really wanted to do it.

hmm I had to put the whole thing out of my mind when the hardback came out recently - almost didn't want to buy it 'cos I'm so pissed off about it shock

Of course am still debating about whether to go and see the film or not blush

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 16:48:35

It even mentions in his most recent book (when he will have known Tom Cruise had been cast) that Reacher's 6'5"! And I don't know if this is my imagination or the books, but he's also blonde...

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 16:48:44

Ohh I used to have the hots for Sean Bean as Sharpe LOL, dont feel the same way any more.

The thing is, unless they stand him next to Liam Neeson (or Nicole Kidman in her heels!) they can make him appear taller

Its just I saw the threads and thought "ohh I can remember feeling like that about him and I was WRONG with a bit W"

Still not keen on him but loved him in that role.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 16-Sep-12 16:50:09

I suppose Robbie Coltrane isn't 10ft tall but he made a good Hagrid. Just saying.

Its wonderful what they can do with camera angles, special effects, etc.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 16:50:44

I meant to say "wrong with a BIG W"

VivaLeBeaver Sun 16-Sep-12 16:51:00

There's a trailer???

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 16:51:09

oh come on though - Tom Cruise, 6'5"...... I've seen the trailer and they've not even tried - he's basically just being Tom Cruise, which is great in the MI films and Knight and Day blush but just not Reacher sad

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 16:52:19
AuntieMaggie Sun 16-Sep-12 16:52:22

He is too short!

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 16:54:04

and Reacher's more beat up and craggy and warn down. Tom's just looking like.... Tom in it.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 16:57:15

So who DID you see as Reacher? I would give it the benefit of the doubt until you see it in its entirity - like I say Stuart Townsend was TOTALLY how I imagined for Lestat but Tom totally nailed it for me despite not being what I imagined or wanted at all.

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 17:00:52

it's tricky...! In my mind he's kind of like a younger better looking Gerard Depadieu! grin Or in terms of current actors, I think Jason Statham would have been fairly good. Or Sean Bean? Neither are American I know...

sigh. there must have been someone else? How about a newbie actor no-one knows? Tom is so well known I think that's part of the problem. Reacher is an unknown as a character and a brand new film series - why give it to flipping Tom - he's got enough already!

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 17:02:01

But in Interview with a Vampire, which I loved, at least Tom looked different - and it was a long time ago. He's done a gazillion action films since then, so it feels Reacher will just be another same old same old character he 'does'.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 17:04:30

I dont think it would have been made without the "name"

Gerard no, Jason (yes quite like, dont generally like his films), last time I saw a photo of Sean he was putting out his bin bags and looking a bit worn LOL (is Jack meant to be sexy?)

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 17:06:30

I don't think he's meant to be immediately sexy, as he looks so down and out most of the time. I think he's someone the occasional woman will find attractive 'cos of his personality grin. But he's not someone you'd immediately look twice at, which is good for the plot lines - he can sit in places without being noticed and kind of blend in I'm possibly overthinking it all now

blush

Yes, Jason would probably have been my top choice out of actors I know.

Someone who looks like channing tatum only a little rougher and with better acting skills. Thats my Reacher.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 17:19:36

LOL Dotty at "overthinking it" I know how it is when a character gets under your skin.

I do know what you mean about the clip looking like the "usual" generic American Tom as opposed to Lestat where he became a character. Having said that I did like Tom in Collateral too but all the 80s films like Top Gun and Cocktail where he was "generic American Tom" make me want to retch but it is possible, as he is obviously feeling this role, that he could pull it off.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 17:20:24

Lol I dont know who channing tatum is the only channing I can think of was female and I think in Grease.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 17:21:56

LOL thats Stockard Channing.

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 17:22:12

I am a bit Reacher obsessed blush. Don't know Channing Tatum but after a quick google I can see where you're coming from..!

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 17:24:55

Yeah I googled him too, nice, maybe not "worn" enough.

Yeah he would need roughed up.

I volunteer grin

CastielsTrenchcoat Sun 16-Sep-12 17:31:12

Anyone unsure should read Empire magazine's article on the forthcoming film. Sounds good and the author is (apparently) happy with the casting. However, I haven't read the books so......

Portofino Sun 16-Sep-12 17:34:08

Reacher can break a man's neck with his bare hands. It is impossible to even imaging TC doing that.

Angelico Sun 16-Sep-12 17:38:43

Don't think he's right - he's too small and too good-looking for Reacher sad

Basically the perfect guy I can think of is an ex who was really tall / massive / quite ugly but oddly sexy grin Maybe I should send a photo of him to Lee Childs... grin

LeeCoakley Sun 16-Sep-12 17:44:52

I thought the story was that TC bought the film rights so he could star in it. (No one else in their right minds would cast him for obvious reasons). Watching that clip makes me wonder if they had to employ undersized extras for him to beat the shit out of. He still looks like a little boy playing with men. I'm not going to see the film on the principle that I love JR and don't like TC anyway let alone TC being the complete opposite of Lee Child's description of JR (and my own fantasy).

CaroleService Sun 16-Sep-12 18:02:23

JR travels with only a toothbrush and some cash.

It is apparent from the trailer that the TC JR travels with a comb, razor, cologne, floss, moisturiser, cotton bud, iron, ironing board, hairdryer and possibly a personal stylist.

No good.

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 18:06:16

grin exactly!

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 19:20:46

LOL at Carole!

I did have a bit of a chuckle looking at that scene, remembering that some workmates who had seen Tom in the flesh described him as "tiny", I was thinking "all those extras he is fighting must be really short"

I know what you mean Dotty I am a bit preoccupied by a hideously scarred vampire at the moment so, however illogical, I get where you are coming from with your obsession with a fictional character.

bran Sun 16-Sep-12 19:44:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ArtfulAardvark Sun 16-Sep-12 20:46:49

I was having a chuckle thinking about the Dennis Waterman Little Britain scenes where they have massive chairs to make "Dennis" look small, do you think they do the opposite with Tom and downscale everything to make him look bigger?

minsmum Sun 16-Sep-12 20:52:49

it should be Viggo Mortenson he would be perfect

My Reacher looks like a less ugly Daniel Craig (although obviously busy with bond) or Cluve Owen, that ugly but entirely shaggable in the right light kinda sexiness.

TINY TOM IS SO WRONG FOR IT!

Kewcumber Sun 16-Sep-12 21:50:03

Tom Cruise as Reacher?! shock

How did I miss this? Have they been drinking?

Kewcumber Sun 16-Sep-12 21:51:28

"It is apparent from the trailer that the TC JR travels with a comb, razor, cologne, floss, moisturiser, cotton bud, iron, ironing board, hairdryer and possibly a personal stylist."

And a winnebago with a personal assistent. He doesn;t look like he could cut up his own lettuce. Wrong wrong wrong.

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 21:52:14

Kew. I'm sorry that you have had to have all your illusions shattered. But, sadly, it is true. sad

Kewcumber Sun 16-Sep-12 21:54:43

<<sob>>

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 21:55:44
getrealandgetalife Sun 16-Sep-12 22:00:07

Jason Statham would have been better definately....

In One shot the book, that i have just finshed reading there is a plotline where a girl is killed and it couldnt have been anyone else except Reacher because of the height of the attack ( except Reacher is right handed and the killer is left handed)

Tom Cruise isnt Jack Reacher, just couldnt be, Never never never.

Kewcumber Sun 16-Sep-12 22:08:59

I'm not sure I have the stomach for the trailer... dare I?

My heart is broken after watching that trailer.

Its too Hollywood.

And TC is NOT Reacher

LeeCoakley Sun 16-Sep-12 22:11:01

It's only a few seconds kewcumber and then to erase the memory you can go back to fantasising about the REAL Jack Reacher

WhereMyMilk Sun 16-Sep-12 22:16:10

Am agreeing with Clive Owen...sigh, he's just so lick able thoughblush

Oh buggrit, I'm going to go and see it?

Anyone want a MN Meet up to watch it and TUT all the way through?

I'm serious btw.

True.

I'll sneak some ViceVersas in.

Kewcumber Sun 16-Sep-12 22:18:07

I'm not sure I can watch it Chaos. Couldn;t we meet up at a pub outside teh premier and get pissed instead?

BIWI Sun 16-Sep-12 22:18:11

Oh no! Chaos. You can't. No matter how loudly you tut.

MikeLitoris Sun 16-Sep-12 22:25:30

Tom Hardy

BobblyOrangeGoldGussets Sun 16-Sep-12 22:35:54

I agree with MadameCasefiore, it should be Daniel Craig or Clive Owen, someone of that ilk.

I see Reacher as a young Harrison Ford or a young Robert Redford: both craggy and blonde enough.

If they'd have gotten casting that role right, they would have had us squirming in our seats at the cinema, hell, we'd be wanking in the aisles!

Narked Sun 16-Sep-12 22:47:35

The character in the books uses his size all the time. He is physically imposing. There's a lot of fighting. It's not the role for a tiny, pixie man.

I can't take Tom Cruise seriously in anything anymore - I haven't been able too since the whole sofa jumping on the Oprah show and it's gone downhill from there. Weird little man.

DottyDot Sun 16-Sep-12 23:14:51

I'm up for a MN viewing. Only if we can sit at the front and throw popcorn at the screen...

Dragonwoman Mon 17-Sep-12 00:02:55

Ralf Moller ( Russell crowes sidekick in Gladiator ) is the physical type I have in mind for Reacher. Or even Russell Crowe himself if Ralf is not a big enough name. Just not TC!

CaroleService Mon 17-Sep-12 09:41:20

We could picket ...

I will picket with you Carole!

DoItRight Mon 17-Sep-12 09:51:42

YY to Clive Owen, his was the first name I thought of!
Mmmm

anchovies Mon 17-Sep-12 09:55:37

I definitely had him down as Daniel Craig. That trailer was devastating, my rough and ready dreams have been shattered sad

bran Mon 17-Sep-12 23:08:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

stookiesackhouse Mon 17-Sep-12 23:25:18

What about Liam Neeson? Too old?

stookiesackhouse Mon 17-Sep-12 23:26:58

By the way I think Tom might pull it off. His presence exceeds his height and he is hard as nails in MI4. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

bran Mon 17-Sep-12 23:37:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

stookiesackhouse Mon 17-Sep-12 23:45:39

I watched it yes smile I am just letting go of the height issue despite being a huge Reacher fan.

I would much rather Cruise than Statham. No contest.

Sniggering and trying not to wake DH up at wanking in the aisles!

EasyFromNowOn Tue 18-Sep-12 13:21:19

I'd almost agree with bran but I think I'd actually go for this guy - Phillip Winchester is just a bit too clean cut for my idea of Reacher.

I don't think MI4 is a good example of TC being 'hard as nails'. I remember giggling a lot in it and being very disappointed that both the stupid gloves didn't fail...

diabolo Tue 18-Sep-12 21:10:27
CheerfulYank Tue 18-Sep-12 21:16:58

Kevin Durand, Kevin Durand, a million times Kevin Durand !!!!!!! (He's the tall one.)

Tom Cruise is bullshit and I think Lee Childs sold out his fans and I hope the movie falls on its face. angry

fivegomadindorset Tue 18-Sep-12 21:18:48

He is too short, sorry.

fivegomadindorset Tue 18-Sep-12 21:19:16

Agree with you there Yank

fivegomadindorset Tue 18-Sep-12 21:23:26

Sadly will be giving it a miss, such very, very, very, very bad casting.

whatkungfuthat Wed 19-Sep-12 20:22:44

Leeson for me, or at the very least Jim Caviezel. I hated Cruise as Lestat.

getrealandgetalife Thu 20-Sep-12 21:05:20

I second Kevin Durand, though Jason Statham would have done it for me too!

Oooooooh yes let's all not go and hope the nation (or at least all fans) steer clear too.

It's just shit, he would have been more Reacher if he had kept his shit teeth from The Outsiders and grown another foot and a half of course.

Ooohh how tall is Joachin Phoenix - he's got the ugly pretty thing going on

Sidge Thu 20-Sep-12 21:37:26

It was all a typing error.

Cruise was supposed to be cast as Reacher's toothbrush but someone put a full stop in the wrong place and he ended up being cast as Reacher himself.

Big mistake. Huge.

whatkungfuthat Fri 21-Sep-12 07:40:09

I can see this film getting a royal spanking on the internets when it comes out grin

EasyFromNowOn Fri 21-Sep-12 11:38:48

Indeed, whatkungfu although with any luck the inevitable parodies will be more entertaining than the film.

TuftyFinch Fri 21-Sep-12 11:41:11

TC bought the rights yeearrs ago. He will only cast other actors that are smaller than him.

WhyTheBigGoldPaws Fri 21-Sep-12 11:51:27

My DH is a massive Reacher fan and he's disgusted about this. He's also said Kevin Durand. Am cutting and pasting from this thread to make him laugh at work smile

saffronwblue Fri 21-Sep-12 11:52:00

Another vote for Viggo www.imdb.com/name/nm0001557/here

saffronwblue Fri 21-Sep-12 11:54:37
Pooka Fri 21-Sep-12 11:55:13

www.imdb.com/name/nm0829032/

Ray Stevenson would have been great. Old enough, rugged and TALL!

Lifeisontheup Fri 21-Sep-12 12:01:30

Just watched the trailer and am so disappointed. Not sure who I would have chosen to play JR but never Tom Cruse in a million years. It's just wrong. He does look like he could fight his way out of a paper bag let alone kill someone with his bare hands.

Pooka Fri 21-Sep-12 12:03:08

http://www.listal.com/viewimage/322868

Ray on left.

6'3/4"

Not pretty. But perfect for reacher.

Bloody Tom cruise. Will NOT be watching and haven't bought latest book. Lee child is complete sell out.

Pooka Fri 21-Sep-12 12:03:53
whatkungfuthat Fri 21-Sep-12 12:09:25

I would like to think in a deluded manner that TC bought the rights via his film co. so Child didn't know who was going to be playing him

Ooooh I like that Ray bloke.

Even if TC did only hire actors smaller than him what about cars and buildings etc?

Is he going to build a whole mInature world, have miniature cars built and furniture to make him seem super tall. Miniature TC land, people could visit like Graceland and thwack their heads on all the door frames and drive the mini cars around!

I can't believe LC would think his fans would go for this.

Shows you what people do for money.

CheerfulYank Fri 21-Sep-12 15:37:15

Oh I loved Ray in 'Rome', good choice!

Pooka Fri 21-Sep-12 17:15:52

Love the idea of legoland style mini streets for Tom to run down.

He is so so. So so very wrong for the part. Grrrrrr. angry

I'm also rather keen on ray wink. I always read the books with a picture of him in my head - having watched Rome just before reading some of them (and then rereadi g earliest ones).

bran Fri 21-Sep-12 17:29:14

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Lifeisontheup Fri 21-Sep-12 17:55:02

Be still my beating heart <swoons>. He is gorgeous.

getrealandgetalife Fri 21-Sep-12 18:26:18

BRAN yes you are right!!!!

Angelico Fri 21-Sep-12 21:42:32

Ooooh Bran he's not bad at all!!!

Angelico Fri 21-Sep-12 21:44:00

Ray is good too. I lurrrrrve Viggo but he's too sensitive looking for Reacher.

Pooka Fri 21-Sep-12 21:57:53

I also love Viggo but agree completely that he looks a bit delicate in the face. Phillip Winchester looks good but isnt craggy enough - nearly though. smile

akaemmafrost Sat 22-Sep-12 00:24:44

Watched the trailer. He's too tiny and that's that. Chris Hemsworth would have been food imo.

akaemmafrost Sat 22-Sep-12 00:25:04

Food?! grin good obviously

akaemmafrost Sat 22-Sep-12 00:25:55

A bit young maybe though.

saffronwblue Sat 22-Sep-12 00:31:53

I could leave the Viggo bandwagon for Ray or Philip. What do those casting directors actually get paid for?

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