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Mumsnet Discussions: Adult fiction : So I finally read Little Women (with spoilers) (63 messages)
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Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:38:12
hell of a struggle I might add - please someone who loves it tell me why?!

Anyway, googled Good Wives to see the outcome - and how did Jo NOT marry him eventually???? hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Tigerschick on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:46:11
LOL!

You have to read Good Wives to find out wink
I have to say that GW was my least favourite of the books. I'd read LW about 3 times before I managed to make it through GW - only did so because someone bought me Little Men and Jo's Boys for Christmas and my mum hid them until I'd read GW!!

I love it, but I first read it as a child; don't know how I'd feel if I came to it now for the first time. I think that LW is more of a kids' book whereas GW is more aimed at 'young ladies' grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:47:05
She turned him down, but I can't remember why. Maybe she didn't fancy him grin He ended up marrying Amy, but I expect you knew that if you googled.

I have always loved it - every bit of it. It's hard to explain why, with something you've loved since you were a child. I always wanted to be Jo, of course, but I liked all of the characters, even Amy when she was being a pain in the arse.

You've made me want to go and read all 4 of them, now!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By RubyRioja on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:47:58
Tis agony is it not?
Marmeee aargh!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By suedonim on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:48:00
Because it makes you cry, what with Father being away and Mama being so lovely and all the Marches being so good and what happens to Beth. I guess you haven't seen the film with Susan Sarandon? I still weep buckets at that! blush Guess who Jo does marry, btw...smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LilRedWG on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:48:13
I love it so much DH bought me a first edition for my 30th birthday. Can't explain why I love it, I just do.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:49:10
I think it probably is one of those you needed to read as a child. A bit like trying to read Malory Towers now
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By VintageGardenia on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:50:30
OF course there's a lot in it that's very pukey, and all the Patience and Goodness and Charity etc is irritating, but you have to cut through that, I think. And it's of its time, blah blah but you know that.

Jo didn't love him! Not like that.

Found GW the other day, was opening at random and reading bits I came across. Meg - good God can you imagine her in real life? Jo and Amy at least were spirited.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By VintageGardenia on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:51:45
Yes coming to it as an adult not good.

As a child you are less bothered by the saccharine bits and not distracted from plot and action, which you must admit are GOOD!!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:51:51
But they were so good together. <wail>
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:52:39
I think you are right, Tigerschick. In the US, Little Women and Good Wives were just one book, published under the first title.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By VintageGardenia on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:53:35
Yes but that is the sting! The book would have been much more predictable schlock if they'd ended up together and you would have criticised from firmer ground!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Lauriefairycake on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:53:41
I like Malory Towers now grin

also love Little Women but probably more because of the original film - it's just what i wanted Christmas to look like as a child
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By VintageGardenia on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:55:23
Maybe they have an affair in unpublished Book 5 shock
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NorthernLurker on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:55:49
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Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By TheConfusedofthedeadOne on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:56:51
I loved it, Mom bought it for me in hardback when I was about 10, I in turn gave it to DGD when she was 10, she has handed it back ready for the next girl in the family.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NorthernLurker on Mon 06-Oct-08 18:58:18
STOP
DO NOT READ MY POST TWO POSTS DOWN _ IT'S A SPOILER FOR GW AND I wasn't thinking. Have asked for it to be removed
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Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:08:49
It is meant to be schlock - hence the surprise at lack of marrying wink

Spoler warning in the title was for all of the books.

Malory towers I meant starting as an adult, not re-reading now grin

I can the problem though - money, great friendship - crappy basis for a marriage hmm
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By emskaboo on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:09:27
I loved it, soo much wanted to be Jo. In my family my mum always read us the Chrstmas bit when they give their Christmas stuff to the poor German family every Christmas Eve. I also wrote an extended essay at University on Little Women and Good Wives as the first popular feminist novels. blush Think I may have revealed too much about my devotion.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NorthernLurker on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:15:44
Phew that's a relief about the spoilers! Lovely mumsnet towers have removed my post anyway - so now it looks like I've said something v rude about Louisa May Alcott and then thought better of it...

Do you not find 'Teddy' a bit neeedy though? rich but needy? That's why he can marry amy - because she needs him and they can form an equal parternship. He would never have had that with Jo -as Marmee points out repeatedly as I recall.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By VintageGardenia on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:16:45
"Christmas won't be Christmas without any presents," grumbled Jo, lying on the rug.

I loved this from the off because in all the other "period" things I read (Katy, Jane Eyre, what have you) the girls, even the tomboyish ones, never did anything as graceless and normal as lying on a rug.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Lauriefairycake on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:17:49
I erm....meant re-reading it now blush

I read them every year. Along with the St Clare's series.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ditheringdora on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:18:43
I lurve LW and Good Wives, I always love any domestic details. I thought John Brooke was a bit of a sap, and hated how everyone wanted to be Jo (I liked Meg). I hated the doglike devotion to their dad despite him losing their money but apart from that, it's wonderful. Apparently, Louisa Alcott wrote a bonkbuster after that!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:21:07
Omg, emskaboo, I did Little Women for my dissertation!! I only got a 2ii for it, which put me in a huff and ruined the book for me for about 14 years and counting. This thread has cured me though, I reckon, I really want to read them all again - can remember every word anyway!

So you aren't the only loon, emskabo! grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:21:38
emskaboo blush
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 19:26:15
That's what I meant too - re-reading as an adult you have the love as a child, but an adult coming to them fresh probably wouldn't "get" it
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By emskaboo on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:06:04
Feenie, I'm pleased I'm not the only one! I know what you mean about runining it, I felt like I'd analysed it to death and couldn't look at it for about ten years, but it is now back on the comfort reading pile grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:07:06
Feel like I should have started this thread first - I am now looking back on it all warm and fuzzy grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:10:22
Has anyone read "What Katy Did" lately? I really want to but I read it when I was about 7 and if I loved it then it might actually be a bit pants. I loved Jo but I wanted to be Katy.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tribpot on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:12:29
It is one of the great crimes of literature that Jo and Laurie don't end up together. Keep googling and you will prob discover there are various theories that LMA didn't feel she was sufficiently feminine to deserve to cop off with the hero (I imagine in her mind it was not expressed this way). When they laugh about it in subsequent books - oh how unsuited we were to marry - errr, no people, you missed the opportunity of a lifetime, GET WITH IT.

I love these books but agree you probably have to have read them as a child to really appreciate why. Ditto Narnia?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:14:37
I don't think they were really that suited, though. They wouldn't have made each other happy, in the long run. Laurie is basically a posh boy who needed a pretty wife. Jo is a free spirit before they had free spirits, she's much better off with the person she married.

It's a bit like "The Way We Were" if anyone has seen that. In love but completely incompatible.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:15:39
She would have helped him to remember his wild side, and he could have calmed her a bit.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NorthernLurker on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:50:31
Did she need 'calming'?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:53:52
oh for heaven's sake people, Jo couldn't have married Laurie! He was a boy, she needed a MAN!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NorthernLurker on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:56:40
I do think the bit with Jo and the Prof under the umbrella is terribly sweet.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 20:58:43
The bit under the brollie with Gabriel Byrne is probably the most romantic thing ever

"I have nothing to offer you, my hands are empty."

(Jo puts her hand in his)

"Not empty now."

If Professor Bhear looked like Gabriel Byrne, I really don't blame her.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:04:26
oh yes, had forgotten GB was the prof. still stuck with awful image of william shatner <<shudders>>
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:04:52
or did I make that up?

I didn't make it up, did I?

[worried]
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:05:47
I was wondering, will check.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:08:31
There was a film version in 1933 and in 1994. I don't think William Shatner was in either.

Where did you get that idea from? It's intriguing.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:13:17
phew!

because, you know, it would be deeply wrong and disturbing to have imagined that myself!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:14:48
No no no I take it back - 1978 William Shatner as Professor Bhaer. Aarrrggghh how is that possible?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:18:10
I loved What Katy Did, georgimama, and it's still ace. I still love What Katy Did at School aswell, but What Katy Did Next I never really liked. There were apparently two more after that, but they aren't in print.

I've said too much again, haven't I....blush
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By georgimama on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:20:34
That's it, I'm going to buy the lot that I can find, may even get friendly old bookman who can find anything to find me the others, if at all possible.

Katy rocks.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:25:33
I never got the hang of Katie.

I had to re-read the Anne of Green Gables series recently, though, and let me tell you that took some tracking down!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:27:27
Nah, she pissed me off. Too prissy.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By procrastinatingparent on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:28:45
Feenie, you can read the last two online here.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:32:40
who, Anne? prissy? shock

mind you I read pollyanna as a child too, maybe Anne just seemed a wildchild compared to her wink
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:33:37
shock I have just realised why I was thinking that Jo's bloke must have completely passed me by, or you had the two books confused... No-one told me that Little Women & Good Wives are meant to be one bloody book!

I would have been much more inclined to read it had it all been one volume. It also explains how I knew about Beth, but she was all bright and perky at the end of my book.

Grrr.

Now, as much as I struggled my way through LW, I feel like I have only read half a book. I don't wanna spend hard earned cash on another one though!

B*stards.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Feenie on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:36:01
Wow, thanks procrastinatingparent!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By moondog on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:39:58
Anne
Katy
Little Women

Heaven
Shherr heaven
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Simplysally on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:42:28
I've got and have recently re-read all the Little Women stories. I must have been about 8 or 9 when I read them (annd What Katy Did) as it took me ages to twig that they were set in America. I was also bemused by shops being open on Christmas Day.

Ditto the Anne of Green Gables series but she got too prissy in the end. I preferred her in the first book grin. Has anyone read Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm? Quite similar to Anne.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By procrastinatingparent on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:43:27
But almost (but not quite) better than Anne are the three Emily books by LMM, with the most fantastic hero, and Byronic anti-hero as well.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By fishie on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:45:52
i would add
milly molly mandy (to soften up younger girls for lw etc)
king of the barbareens (for afterwards)

there is something so foreign about lw and katy. a pickled lime. a swing in a shed.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:50:23
oh I loved Emily much more than Anne!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By procrastinatingparent on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:54:38
I wanted to be passionate Emily but thought that I was in fact imaginative Anne with her sensible streak.

But I did love Teddy much more than Gilbert, who has always seemed rather characterless to me - probably why she makes him into a hard-working doctor in the later books to keep him out of the way.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Flamebat on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:55:53
So, do I go find a copy of Good Wives to make it complete., or will my life be ok without it?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By phdlife on Mon 06-Oct-08 21:57:35
hmm never thought about it that way.

think you may be right though. probably I loved Emily so because I am so straight myself. but also because her dreamy wafting about in pine forests never seemed as...I dunno, fevered, as Anne's doomed heroines. that gave me the pip.

and I liked Emily's writing. Anne was just a dabbler, Emily meant it.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By procrastinatingparent on Mon 06-Oct-08 22:04:41
Yes, Emily very serious about her writing - always wondered if LLM was drawing on her own feelings there. I alwas though Emily was more fevered, though, with that weird 'second sight' thing, which is only hinted at with Anne. I feel that they are a bit more Gothic, which is not usually my thing, but I do love them.

Anne was my first love though; I remember crying when I realised Rainbow Valley (which I thought was a random story) was actually about Anne grown up. I went downstairs and pulled my mother out of a dinner party because I was so upset.

Now I'm going to have to read them again. grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Cloudhopper on Mon 06-Oct-08 22:14:57
The sentimentality curdles a bit when you get older. Because it is written from a child's perspective, it works for you when you read it as a child, but comes across as overly earnest when you are grown up
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tribpot on Tue 07-Oct-08 07:46:13
Oh no, I loved Gilbert, he must have had charisma to carry off such a silly name. Poss image formed by cute guy who played him on telly (a reverse Shatner if you will). Which reminds me, has anyone seen the Anne telly mini-series where she gets arrested as a spy in the First World War? Bit off-piste for LMM methinks.

If Prof Bhaer looked like Gabriel Byrne I could sort of buy it but he didn't. He was a great guy but not Laurie.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By FlameThrowersKillZombies on Sat 25-Oct-08 11:16:04
Right. Have finished Good Wives (I am stubborn and NEEDED a proper ending blush)

I enjoyed it a lot more than Little Women Still felt Laurie and Amy was wrong, but Jo and Bhaer is ok iyswim.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By SweetPea99 on Wed 05-Nov-08 15:36:06
If you are having a Little Women moment, also try 'March', it won the Pulitzer Prize a few years ago, telling the story from the father's perspective, with lots of slavery and American Civil War stuff thrown in. Definitely more of a grown up book, with some surprising insight into Marmee's character...


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