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maliciouscomms.wordpress.com/2013/02/17/caitlin-moran-defender-of-womanhood-but-everyone-else-can-do-one/

At least I'm assuming it's a joke. An unfunny, tasteless and offensive one. In true Twitterati style, she's blocking anyone on Twitter who dares question or criticise her comment. She's also now deleted the tweet and hasn't apologised or explained:

https://mobile.twitter.com/caitlinmoran

I'm losing what little respect I had for, after this and the Girls/ethnics thing last year. I feel that I want to like her but she makes it so hard...

It seems quite a harmless joke to me, certainly not one that suggests any lack of sympathy/solidarity about AIDS. And why not block people who tweet to you in an irritating way. It doesn't deny them a platform' it just saves you personally from having them on your timeline.

Pedantry about the lowercase S doesn't help your case!

Don't worry about it.

Don't find it funny but not offensive either. I would block you too for your own good. If everything I wrote upset you so much it would be a kindness to protect you from my feed.

I have no idea why people like her, I just find her completely unamusing. But then I can't stand Miranda either, so perhaps I am being a misery.

I do think the tweet is offensive, in a childish way puerile way.

If that was a joke its pretty poor taste. Yes, childish too.

You've linked to your own blog?
Um...

It's not amusing, it's not offensive. It's just another boring tweet.

perplexed No, that isn't my blog.

oh come on, it's just a joke in poor taste, but is it that bad..... tasteless jokes abound. I remember saying years ago to a friend, god you're so thin now, you got Aids or how do DO it??? but it was a jokey comment, said in an airhead californian accent, like nothing trumps being skinny. your friends GET your humour. randomers on twitter aren't going to get your humour.

Eh. She's making fun of man flu.

So what?

Man flu?!

Who is she? Ive never heard of her

Oh, god. Stop bloody whingeing.

Someone's being more than a tad precious - and it isn't Caitlin Moran

I like how the blog says "I quite like the odd Family Guy AIDS joke". Erm, so why not this one? <cough, double standard, cough>

Storm. Teacup. Yawn.

Was that an AIDS-y cough or a normal cough?

It's not funny.

It's mildly offensive.

Pretty much what I've come to expect of CM.

Definitely an AIDs one

It's just a bloody joke. Jesus Christ.

This is the very definition of PO

What's PO?

It's not very funny, it's a bit offensive, fair enough to say you're offended.

I'm confused as to why you think she wouldn't or shouldn't block people she finds boring, though? Twitter is a social network, it's not a system whereby the world makes itself accountable to you.

Saying she has 'form' for doing this makes you look foolish.

No, I find that Blogger more irritating/offensive than CM original 'joke'. Good idea for her to block them

It must be really harrowing going through life without a sense of humour.

I'm confused as to why you think she wouldn't or shouldn't block people she finds boring, though? Twitter is a social network, it's not a system whereby the world makes itself accountable to you.

She can block who she wants, can't she? Just disappointed that she does this rather than engage with those she may find boring, or 'silly'.

Saying she has 'form' for doing this makes you look foolish.

Where did I say that?

Yes Susie jokes about AIDS are hilarious.

Why should she engage with people who disapprove though? It's tedious and pointless

I don't get her. She does nothing for me. The tweet doesn't bother me though.

I'm sure your disappointment is terribly important to her.

And the blog says it, love. The one you linked to in your OP.

<goes for coffee and enlightenment>

Twitter is a social network, it's not a system whereby the world makes itself accountable to you.

Twitter needs to adopt this as the strapline right at the top of every page.

Honey, I wasn't the one who wrote the blog, which I said upthread.

Good for you. You did link to it, though, so I figured you'd read it.

Is there a point to this?

I agree it is an insensitive joke - am surprised so many people are defending it.

There are many funny jokes about AIDS, BTW. Like most things that scare us, they lend themselves to black humour very well.

That doesn't happen to be a funny one, it's true, but they do exist.

Also, Man Flu: the condition where a man gets a sniffle and goes to bed for 3 days.

Surely you've heard the term?

Yes I read it but naturally I assumed you thought I was the one who wrote it given you said I was 'foolish' for one remark in the blog

It's not a joke about AIDS

It's not a funny joke. I've followed her for a bit on twitter, mainly because she's friends with other celebs I follow and I'm nosey and read their conversations. I have to say I find her pretty charmless.

It's taking a commonplace event (having a cold) and comparing it to something non-commonplace for comic effect, usually to highlight the ridiculousness of the orignial complaint. The basis of lots of jokes and humour.

It's like saying you have the plague or something when it's a cold. Or that you wish someone would cut your head off with a headache...

AIDS isn't an issue I would personally joke about, but it's not dreadfully offensive.

It's not funny to compare anything to AIDS. CM thinks she's funny but I think she stopped being that quite a while ago.

I hate the phrase "It's a car crash waiting to happen", as I lost someone in a car crash. I feel like someone's punched me in the stomach every time I hear it.
But I'd never say anything as I really don't think people mean to upset or offend. I'm afraid you have to take it on the chin.

Psammead: "It's taking a commonplace event (having a cold) and comparing it to something non-commonplace for comic effect, usually to highlight the ridiculousness of the orignial complaint. The basis of lots of jokes and humour."

Quite! She's just making a joke about her own wussiness. Would people have been offended if she'd said "TB" or "malaria"? Or is it just AIDS that elicits this response?

Poster up thread description of CM as charmless is spot on.

She can block whomever she chooses, but it wasn't a funny joke (or even mildly amusing).

I'm usually not with the PC brigade but I'm surprised at all the ppl defending it -wonder if they would feel the sand if she joked about autism, for example.

It's just AIDS, and maybe cancer, but mostly AIDS, hackmum because of the homosexuality connection. It's PC gone mad.

Some of the funniest jokes I've heard about AIDS have been told by people, gay and straight, dying from it.

"I'm usually not with the PC brigade but I'm surprised at all the ppl defending it -wonder if they would feel the sand if she joked about autism, for example."

But why? Surely context is everything when it comes to humour. She's not making fun of people with AIDS, she's making fun of herself. Is there nobody here who has said, "I feel like I'm dying" when they've got a cold? Nobody here who has ever used exaggeration for comic effect? Really?

The funniest thing about this thread is the fact that Psammead has had to explain one of the most common forms of British humour to some of you.

Honestly. I hate it when this question is asked on MN, but I can't help wondering whether some of you probably have more important things to worry about.

It is rather amusing Toby.

And I want to know where some people get the energy to worry about shit like this. Can I have what you're having? I barely have the energy to help my 3.9 year old build a block tower most days.

I don't think of AIDS in the gay context. Usually the first aspect that spring to mind is, the problem with it in Africa, and orphans. That is because of my background

Is that why you are offended....because you consider it a homophobic gag?

There's a difference between understanding a joke a finding it funny tho. I understood her little joke but didn't find it amusing. And although I didn't think it was offensive, I didn't think it was in particularly good taste either.

Dp was coughing dramatically this morning, and I put on Facebook that it was like living with Keats. Was this offensive?

<notes interesting new feminist-bashing technique>

I find it more offensive that people persist in thinking of AIDS as a gay issue.

Bloody hell, have a day off.

Look, everyone is different and comes to things form different angles.

I've used the phrase "I felt like I was going to have a heart attack" lots of times whilst trying to exercise
The moment I said it to a friend who's dad had just died from one, was not funny. She certainly didn't find it funny but I wasn't going to start telling her she obviously had nothing better to worry about, that it was a "joke" or she should get a life.

Maybe the OP has recent personal experience and is offended. She has every right to be, at this moment in time.

seeker: "Dp was coughing dramatically this morning, and I put on Facebook that it was like living with Keats. Was this offensive?"

Clearly, yes. There may be someone, somewhere on the internet, who is distantly related to Keats and still gets upset about his premature death. What you said is deeply offensive to that person and you should immediately apologise.

OP, you have too much time on your hands. As do most people who write blogs and expect us to be interested in them, as far as I can see.

I write a blog. I don't expect anyone to be interested in it, though.

"There's a difference between understanding a joke a finding it funny tho. I understood her little joke but didn't find it amusing. And although I didn't think it was offensive, I didn't think it was in particularly good taste either."

This, exactly.

Are you shaking with rage OP?

I love it when people shake with rage.

I think I have the same cold! AND I have an autoimmune condition so am ALLOWED to find her comment mildly amusing.

I think it's appalling, there are some things you shouldn't joke about. Would it still be funny if she'd said it was worse than cancer?

Unless you are suffering from said condition. My aunt had breast cancer & joked that the chemotherapy diet was great for weight loss, fine for her to say but it would be inappropriate for me to have said 'oh I wish I could go on chemotherapy to lose weight'

mrshelsbels, that is not the same thing at all. I have got cancer, I don't give a shit if someone makes a mildly unamusing comment saying that their pain/illness feels like cancer.

But to wish cancer upon themselves for weight loss would be beyond stupid and if they were my friend, they wouldn't be for much longer.

But that is not remotely what CM said.

God this is tedious. So much awful horrible shit going on and a crap joke gets pulled apart. I think there is more than a touch of jealously going on here. I think she is a fine writer, sometimes too crude and OTT for my taste but so fucking what.

I wasn't saying it was the same thing, just that I don't think it is appropriate to joke about potentially life limiting illness, unless you are a sufferer.

Spero, I didnt know you had cancer.

Apologies if I used a poor analogy, been awake since 2am & not convinced I'm thinking straight.

I think a majority of people don't mind mildly offensive humour is it ACTUALLY funny, witty, insightful or thought provoking..

It was none of those.

3rd chemo today, so at least I am halfway through. Not feeling too bad but it has made me spectacularly intolerant of this kind of mimsy getting offended about nothing shite.

Just signed a petition about two girls in India who had acid tipped over them while they slept because the 15 year old wouldnt have sex with the acid thrower.

now THAT is worth getting steamed up about. At least CM has written eloquently about feminism and bought it to a wider and new audience. She has contributed far more of worth than these pathetic bloggers desparately casting around for an audience and trying to incite their own weedy internet storm.

Grow up. Or go away.

I don't want to live in a world where every joke, every comment has to go t the Appropriateness Committee. There will always be someone who wants to get offended. Save your energies for what really matters. Tut and move on.

O but wait, that would mean we lose 99% of Internet. Sorry, ignore me, must be my chemo brain.

So it's only okay to joke about something if you have personal experience of it? That'll be every comedian ever on the 'offensive' list then DHs grandfather was blind, had been almost his entire life, he had a great notion about people minding their own business and not getting offended on behalf of other people, people who weren't particular bothered by the supposedly 'offensive' thing. He loved a good blind joke, particularly from sighted people. Having a condition doesn't give you sole rights to joking about it just as not having it doesn't bar you from talking about it.

It was a joke. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular or targeted at a specific person, it wasn't implying hatred or encouraging people to hate one another. It was a joke in the way that DH saying "have you seen this in the newspaper, Grandad?" was a joke.

If you want to be offended then be offended but there's really no need to go all Points Of View over it.

Sorry to hear that Spero. I hope you get well.

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

Can I just say my pearls aren't being particularly clutched about this. I think it was a crass & ill thought out thing to say but we've all been guilty of that I'm sure. I'm certainly not part of the professionally offended brigade

O this is brilliant. As a disabled, cancer ridden single mother my stand up show will just write itself. I have a huge variety of soft targets to be really vile about and none of you professionally offended types will dare have a go because hey! I am a 'sufferer'.

If we are jumping on the PO bandwagon, and hey why not, may I just point out how unbelievably patronising and unwelcome it is to be told I am a 'sufferer'?

I am literally twitching with rage.

YABU.

^^
waving pom poms in support of Spero here

Not funny, not offensive IMO, though I can see how other people could find it offensive. It's ok for people to be offended by different things!

Agree with the poster who finds Caitlin Moran 'pretty charmless'. She's so tremendously pleased with herself outwardly but I get a strong sense of low self-esteem and self-loathing (from her!) whenever I have seen her being interviewed.

Good old Stephen! He says it like it is.

Take your 'offence' and shove it up your bum.

Apologies to all those who enjoy putting things up their bottom. I meant no offence by referring to bum shoving in pejorative way.

I'm sorry if I have inadvertently caused offence Spero that wasn't my intention. I'm obviously not expressing myself very well (no change there then).

Sorry hels, I am not singling you out, more a general rant. I am not that offended, that would be mildly hypocritical given my general views.

I am just quite sick of this pernicious mean spirited ranting about CM who we ought to be bloody championing as a woman from a deprived background who got where she has because of her talent, not because she went to the right kind of school and got leg up from well connected friends and families.

I don't always like everything she writes but so fucking what. She wasn't put on earth for me to like her. She has made more of a difference than a lot of people so kudos for that.

Phew, I'd hate to be responsible for someone twitching with rage.

I must admit I took against CM years & years ago after she came out with some nonsense about 'feeling superior because she knows the lyrics to every Suede song' but that was 20 years ago & maybe I should give her a second chance.

Spero I'm having a little hero worship moment at the mo. If I had any poms, I'd wave them now.

And get well.

woman makes joke in bad taste! Phone the fucking police!

And that blog is a masterpiece in snide misogyny, which is more likely why it's author was blocked.

Thanks for all the poms.

Crikey hels, are you a Scorpio by any chance? Read an amusing description of Scorpios once which went ... 'You insult a Scorpio. Twenty years later your house burns down and your wellingtons are full of pus'

Nope not a Scorpio but am the Grand Master in grudge holding!

Yes, everyone does not share the same sense of humour. Bring "taste" into humour and you kill off the best jokes.

You were trying to up the hits for your blog?

So actually it suited you very well to piggy-back the joke you found so distasteful.

AIDS is a LGBT issue? Okaaaay. Thank The Lord for heteroimmunity.

"I'm not here to discuss the merits or otherwise of feminism" why keep mentioning it then?

I too might feel superior if I knew all the lyrics to every Suede song.

I'm afraid I won't hear a word against CM. I adore her, I love her writing style and get the joke. So there.

Oh...you're not the blogger.

I really do not see the problem with what CM said.

She was not making fun of AIDS, the whole crux of her comment relies on the knowledge that its something rather serious, she's making fun of her own self-pity about having a 'slight cold'.

'As a disabled, cancer ridden single mother my stand up show will just write itself'

Now if you were black you'd be a Daily Mail readers worst nightmare, thinking about it you'd probably need to be a lesbian as well.

And, as I said, the use of AIDS instead of TB or some other illness could only be offensive if it was considered to be a homophobic jibe. Which could only apply if people thought that AIDS was a gay issue. Which would itself be homophobic so......<disappears in a puff of logic>

It's a flippant comment. Not hilarious (as I doubt cm intended), not offensive (Jesus, who has the time to write a ranty blog about something so trivial?). Just throwaway banter, like 99% of twitter.

I cant stand her and really dont get the adoration/arse licking she gets on mn-her book was rubbish and as for trying to convince us that lady gaga is some sort of feminist icon?-puurlease!

OP just make sure you really really don't read her column from last weekend's papers - no doubt you would find it hugely offensive and homophobic. I found it hilarious.

Prima I did too!

Well she does just blurt out random stuff without stopping to think about whether it's a grown up, intelligent thing to say. That's what makes her (mostly) likeable, human and hilarious. With occasional flashes of insghtful genius.

But being in charge of her brain-to-gob mechanism is a bit like being in charge of a machime gun while wearing oven gloves. There is occasionally some collateral damage.

She loves gay men though, as far as I can tell. I'm sure they'll get over it.

speaking of oven gloves, I think I must be wearing some too - rubbish typing.

How is joking about AIDS homophobic?

If you add up all the things that the PO on mn say you shouldn't joke about, there wouldn't be anything left to joke about.

I am quite happy to elaborate on my Inuit heritage and declare my love for the laydeez, just to watch the Daily Mail implode.

How can it be a joke when it's not funny?

Caitlin Moran is a tedious establishment arse-licker. Fifi Adelsmythe has the right of it.

But you see, the thing about jokes is that they aren't capable of objective definition. Some people find it funny, some don't. Each response is valid and not worth arguing about.

What I dislike is the seamless segue from 'I didn't laugh, actually its a bit offensive' into 'nobody is allowed to find it funny because I find it offensive, ooo let's write a blog about it'.

Boooooooooooooooring.

I didn't think it was homophobic. Just unfunny and in poor taste. I would imagine the criticism of grammar upset her more than being told the joke was ill conceived.

I've always found her prententious. I remember her saying she'd named her teddy bear chrysalis when she was a child. To me she seems smug and self satisfied which makes her difficult to warm to, and I've tried!

Disliking her is not a feminist issue.

I cannot stress enough how homophobic it is to assume that a joke that mentions AIDS is homophobic.

I know seeker said it already, but it bears repeating.

Spero imagine me doing a little thumbs-up 'like' at your last post. And I hope the chemo kicks cancer's arse for you. Or wherever you'd like it to be kicked.

Thanks smegs. But I am concerned that arses are coming in for a bit of a beating on this thread.

Am I being homophobic? <worried>

Perhaps if someone could furnish me a helpful blog post.

op - do you trawl the internet looking for things to get annoyed about.

so you didn't like her joke...who gives a shit?

If you're speaking to me, I wasn't assuming the joke was homophobic. I was assuming those who felt the joke was in bad taste were homophobic.

I'm probably the least homophobic person you'll ever meet. Would be totally hypocritical to be homophobic, being bisexual and having had homosexual relationships in the past.

I simply thing the joke is not funny.

Is that why you are offended....because you consider it a homophobic gag?
Bigaudio No it isn't. I think it's a bit sick to compare a cold to having A.I.D.S. why do you think it was a possibility I thought it was homophobic?

What I dislike is the seamless segue from 'I didn't laugh, actually its a bit offensive' into 'nobody is allowed to find it funny because I find it offensive, ooo let's write a blog about it

But nobody's done that, have they spero as in say 'you're not allowed to find it funny'? I haven't said that and neither has the blogger.

<sits at the back quietly shaking fuck-cancer pom poms for Spero >

I don't think the joke's particularly funny but having recently lost an old (straight) friend to HIV related conditions I find the idea of an AIDS joke being homophobic far more offensive than the actual joke.

Plus, to me, the difference is that the butt of the joke was herself not AIDS. If she'd made a joke about all these whiney fuckers with AIDS, that would be offensive. The joke was about herself whining about having a cold as if she had AIDS. Still not funny (to me) but not something I could be arsed getting angry about.

Well, if you don't think it's homophobic, why is it any different to saying "Oh, God, I think I've go double pneumonia" when you have a cold, or "I think I've broken my leg" when you bump your knee"

I see the humour in it. Others don't. Just like any joke really. Back in my misspent youth I would occasionally ask my boss for the afternoon off saying I think I'm coming down with that Acquired Immune thing / Ebola that's going round". Not everyone's cup of tea, but we found it funny.

disclaimer, no offense intended to people with HIV, AIDS or Ebola.

I think that Caitlin Moran haters are just using this to have a go at her. If it wasn't this, it would be something else.

Have to agree with Seeker on that.

What if she had said 'I have a cold. I think I'm dying of plague'.

Would it be as offensive to you?

I think someone else asked that up thread, actually, and you never answered.

Haven't read all the posts yet.

Of course I wouldn't be offended if she was comparing her cold to having the plague.

Well, in MY humble opinion that is exactly what the blogger did. And you link in support, so I assume you also agree.

No this person doesn't say that, I feel.

Just looked at the about section in the blog I posted and see that he's away male, which helps to explain some reactions on this thread.

Southeastdweller are you saying that the posters here are disagreeing because the blogger is a man?

So Caitlin Moran claims to be a feminist, but she made a kind of joke that wasn't very funny, and it offended someone, once, somewhere, a little bit?

Bloody hell. When will these feminists learn? Bunch of evil witches. And why don't people care about domestic abuse against men, that is what I really think we ought to be talking about here. Or, I don't know, porn or something. How great other issszzzzzzzZzzz snore snore.

Sorry, sent myself to sleep there for a moment.

And I bet you buy chocolate, whichisbest.

So basically its that some people don't find a small joke funny?

This is comment worthy how?

Ok SouthEast I'm out.
Nobody's that stupid.

Good luck with your treatment Spero

I think its less that the blogger is a man and more thats he's a daft twat, personally.

So why is anyone remotely offended by this remark, then?

<struggles to understand- must be the brain tumour>

I had no idea the blogger had a man and I didn't care.

Come to think of it, I don't even care that anyone found it offensive.

I do want to know where you PO find the energy to be so offended all the time.

Maybe I'll start a thread...

I just ate a fudge bar and a curly whirly. I found a selection box under the bed.

Are you spying on me Seeker?!!

Get well Spero.

I don't find it clever or amusing, but nor do I find it offensive. Slightly surprised that she found it so funny that she had to share it with her followers.

I like her columns from time to time, but don't think she's a feminist icon or owt. An icon for self advancement (and I don't mean that as a criticism) maybe, but feminism.. nah.

There should be a huge PO thread about it: Did you know that not everything on Twitter is hilarious? Shouldn't be allowed...etc etc

Who cares.

It was a silly comment which really doesn't warrant two threads and a blog the attention it's getting.

Hang on. People assume people think its a shit joke just because this person is a feminist?

Oh please. Its a shit joke and I know 12 year olds with more wit.

I like that cartoon - "I can't go to bed yet because SOMEONE THE INTERNET IS WRONG".

SHE CALLED HER TEDDY BEAR CHRYSALIS!!! SHE LISTENS TO SUEDE!!! SHE COMES FROM WOLVERHAMPTON!!! SHE DOESN'T HATE HERSELF!!!! BURN HER!!!!!

She's from Wolverhampton? I bet she says tuffbrush instead of toothbrush.

I like Suede

It's tuth-brush, a la Frank Skinner I have to struggle to be politically correct with.

Are we doing bear names now? The 3yo has named his bear H.R. Fluff'n'Stuff, does this make him smug? Should I crack down now and nip this in the bud before he becomes an omni-offensive presence on Twitter!?

WHY DON'T THE PARENTING BOOKS COVER THIS!?!?!?¿

Seriously?

Seriously?

I have a grip here if you need to borrow one.

Fuck you.

I'm from Wolverhampton and I speak like Noel Coward. You horrid oik.

Oh FFS. I personally don't like her. The fact she felt the need to tell everyone that her teddy bear as a child was named chrysalis by her, in my view make her a pretentious, attention-seeking show off. Probably no more so than most other celebs, but for some reason I just find her annoying.

Her comment wasn't offensive to me, but it was a weak joke and the fact she removed it would indicate that even she thought better of it.

I don't mind 'tuffbrush' myself. I find it quite charming. (In a condescending "aren't the people endearing, off away in the provinces?" manner.)

Anyway, we should probably still burn CM, to be safe.

and you look like Noel Edmunds, Twatkins.

The blogger doesnt like CM. That's it. End of hooha. She could have tweeted the time he'd still have found something to whine about.

I don't bloody like her. Even less since thewebchat. But oh God, just, who gives a fiddlers.

Do people really follow people on twitter if they don't like them?

The Suede thing was a joke at my expense, as a teenager I was appalled that anyone could be more pretentious than moi

I haven't spent the last 20 years studiously avoiding her,but she's not come into my sphere very often & I've not felt the urge to seek her out & read her stuff.

"and you look like Noel Edmunds, Twatkins."

<combs creepy beard>

Same here hels, it's mainly the Word that I remember her from.

I bloody loved Suede tho so maybe CM and I have more in common than I thought!

'I'm from Wolverhampton and I speak like Noel Coward'

I never knew he was from the Black Country

He is, arrrrrrrr.

'I'm from Wolverhampton and I speak like Noel Coward'

I never knew he was from the Black Country

Are you thinking of Noddy Holder?

I don't mind 'tuffbrush' myself. I find it quite charming. (In a condescending "aren't the people endearing, off away in the provinces?" manner.)

Whim day say 'tuffbrush' am yer saft in the yed? cor yo' read?

Whim say 'tuthbrush'

Yampy bugger.

She likes to pretend she's down with the kids and really down to earth and shit but she ain't. She won't engage with you on Twitter unless you are a: kissing her arse b: a man or c: part of the North London Edgy Mummy Wank Circle. She's part of a bunch of online divvy bullies, granted she is probably the most approachable one of them but that's not saying much.

She used to write quite arsey stuff back in her NME days that she never goes on about but now she's adopted this "I just want to be nice" persona that her agent probably told her to do because she wasn't going to get much of a profile writing snippy stuff about bands that no-one cares about.

Apart from that, meh.

Yow cor say tuffbrush cos yow need teef in yower yed which yow cor ov if yowm in the Black Countraaaaay

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYY!

North London Edgy Mummy Wank Circle

HAHHAHAHA!

It sounds like one of the mucky DVDs my mate Dodgy Dave used to try and flog around the pubs.

You didn't mention her hair marmalade. I find that particularly offensive

Well it least it's a change from hearing about how she grew up in large family in Wolverhampton and was home schooled. I think we all know that now...

That ^^ up there wot you said MT.

I've almost posted similar a few times buttgen thought, do I care?

Turns out I do. Well said.

That said, I infinitely prefer her to Grace Dent.

I prefer AIDS to Grace Dent.

IT WAS TOPICAL M'KAAAY?

And I prefer Grace Dent to India Knight so what does that tell you?

Tee I realise it's quite a way back, but no my comment wasn't aimed at you at all. I was just reiterating what seeker said as it resonated with me. I've heard a lot of people recently assuming that jokes referencing gangs etc are racist and it really pisses me off because it assumes that there are no white people in gangs in the UK. Of course there are!

Tbh I don't really care about Caitlin Moran anyway. Occasionally she's very funny, but since she's now hidden behind the Times paywall and me & Twitter Don't Get On <lowering of brows> I rarely see her stuff.

I prefer AIDS to Grace Dent

I prefer both Good AIDS and Bad AIDS to Grace Dent.

Why is it cool that her teddy bear was called chrysalis?

Should I care that I don't know who Grace Dent is?

No you shouldn't care, she is a inane and spiteful columnist for the Independent, formerly of the Gruaniad, self appointed Queen of Twitter and is suddenly on every media known to humankind.

In the past month she has ruined my enjoyment of a programme on Radio 4 about the Mitfords and that album programme on BBC4 with Danny Baker.

Or she is a witty and insightful journalist whose feminist perspective rattles a few cages. All a matter of point of view, really.

Seeker

feminist perspective?

really?

I quite like Caitlin Moran, I remember her NME days and read her book and quite enjoyed the early parts about her family.

I don't really understand why people expect her to be their best pal on Twitter, I think that's a bit odd. She's just a journalist, it doesn't really matter what jokes she makes or whether she's 'homophobic'

'Or she is a witty and insightful journalist whose feminist perspective rattles a few cages'

Im rather a fan of Grace Dent too seeker. At least she is genuinely funny on a regular basis, unlike Caitlin Moran. Although all these self-appointed 'women of Twitter' seem disturbingly up their own (and each others') arses these days.

Yes, it's definitely because she's a feminist and not because she's just irritating and inane.

Could we just leave Noel Edmunds out of this k fanxbye

Who is your favourite Noel?

1. Noel Edmonds

2. Noel Fielding

3. Noel Coward

Could messrs Fielding and Coward rock the salt n' pepper beard & jumper combo?

I think not.

DH often goes around in floral shirts. He thinks he loks debonair, which he usually does in a camp kind of way.

Then MIL said to him "I do like your shirts. They're very Noel Edmonds"

DH was

I used to read Grace Dent's soap column in The Guardian & always found that amusing but haven't read a lot since then

Marmalade's MIL

I doubt Noel Fielding could even grow a beard. He still my favourite tho, especially when he's being The Hitcher.

Noel Edmonds tried to kill my friend but drink saved him.

My friend was due to go up in Noel's helicopter at a fete-type thing but stayed at the bar instead. The helicopter crashed killing at least one person but not Noel.

This was all over the news and my friend's wife was frantic knowing that he was due to take that fateful ride. His phone kept going to voicemail. The police wouldn't release any details for ages. Hours later my friend sobered up and called her. It was the first he'd heard of it. Several hours of worry hadn't made her that receptive to his call.

Obviously I don't think it's funny that someone who wasn't Noel died. OK?

"The helicopter crashed killing at least one person but not Noel."

I bet he did it on purpose. He just seems that kind of malevolent bastard.

Marmalade!

I am starting a blog about Marmalade. Her offensive gallows humour needs wider publicising.

All those twitter women are mental. Imo. Tracey thorn is another one.

Naranji - Is she <disappointed face> I thought she'd be all down to earth and stuff.

Marmalade - did I miss your big name change? Would CM and Ned's Atomic Dustbin be along the right lines?

PO = publicly outraged

Huh, Flossie? Not Professionally Offended?

<off to check acronyms>

Well hello... I am the writer of said blog. I won't lie I was tad shocked by the reaction on mumsnet to my blog. I was under the impression you'd all be well mannered, well spoken middle England ladies. How wrong I was...

Just to confirm, I wasn't upset by the joke or even offended. My issue was that Caitlin Moran chose to block any feedback she received. It's her right to, but she should also be able to back up anything she is, especially when talking about a contentious issue such as HIV.

I thank you for your time!

As for issue of my pedantry! It is my right to inform that AIDS is an acronym and I will stand my grand as a irritated pedant on that matter!

SouthEastDweller was not me and remains to this day not me... I could spend the whole evening going through this topic, answering everything! I know it's taken a while for me to a respond, but as a fledgling blogger, I found the whole experience a touch overwhelming!

And to backtrack again, I am a gay man and no I didn't think she was being homophobic, just irresponsible.

And just like Caitlin herself, it seems you guys are unable to stand up for own offensive views!

Possibly, this is just a possibility, people have other things to do then reply on an old thread.

I obviously don't.

mumsnet moves on quickly. I don't think this thread would have been remembered if you hadn't commented on it, bringing it to the first chat page again.

I don't think what she said was offensive or particularly funny. But then, I don't really get offended that often. Life is too short

Mumsnet = definition of making a fuss over nothing and then being all shrug when called up about it...

God yes. Because mumsnet is a group with one voice rather than a bunch of Randoms posting.
You are a mumsnet poster now.

Welcome <shrug>

Glad to read people making a fuss about some of the things on here, in so many different ways.
But for all the different voices and stories most have the good manners not to mock people who happen to disagree with them. Even when it's trivial nonsense.

The blog you linked seems to be criticising Caitlin Moran for reasons entirely unlinked to the tweet that it purports to be about.

I find your own views pretty offensive, Malicious

I was under the impression you'd all be well mannered, well spoken middle England ladies. How wrong I was...

How very dare you? I iz proper well spoken.

Entirely unlinked? It was a criticism of someone who claims to be "queen of the gays" (as if), ignoring even constructive criticism... As I've said, you make a contentious joke, you should have the balls to stand and own it, rather than calling HIC activists "silly".

Did I say HIC? HIV obviously...

You're seriously still bumping this!?

You need a life, mate.

It's free views for the blog bear, of course they're bumping. I have reported it either way, no need to keep dragging the thread on to gain more publicity.