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If you are Scottish, do YOU want independence?

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MrsSlave Wed 03-Sep-14 00:12:53

If so, why?

If not, why?

fledtoscotland Wed 03-Sep-14 00:27:09

Having lived here for many years and married a scot, I'm gobsmacked by the level of arragance/ignorance of some of the YES camp. Wtf would you chuck your job security/tax burden/health and dental provision into the arms of a man who has no definite answers but lots of nothing phrases and arm waving.

I'm not saying it's not a good idea in principle but from what I've heard/read there are little certainties about the future - the pound/trade boundaries/EU/national debts/professional bodies/nhs and lots of idealistic dreams on FB by people who are reliant on social security payments (which will incidentally be stretched should we not have payouts from Westminster).

It's seems a little rushed and panicked with a healthy dose of anti english racism thrown in

I am Scottish and I have absolutely no idea how I will vote in just over two weeks time. Can't believe I'm still undecided so close to the vote. Feel pressure to get it right for my DCs and their DCs, but no closer to making a decision either way - despite all the shouting debates. wink

Lally112 Wed 03-Sep-14 00:32:30

I do, I just don't think the uk government actually give a toss about Scotland at all. I think we would be better off tailoring the running of our country to ourselves rather than let dodgy dave and pals or whoever else is in parliament at time decide because it never seems to benefit us in any way shape or form.

fledtoscotland Wed 03-Sep-14 00:35:21

Lally - I agree but how are you going to fund it?

Snapespotions Wed 03-Sep-14 00:35:39

I am Scottish and I have absolutely no idea how I will vote in just over two weeks time. Can't believe I'm still undecided so close to the vote. Feel pressure to get it right for my DCs and their DCs, but no closer to making a decision either way - despite all the shouting debates.

That must be difficult - I imagine the pressure to get it "right" must be huge, but there are so many questions still unanswered. Whichever way you decide to vote, I hope you will look back on it and feel it was the right decision!

hoboken Wed 03-Sep-14 00:57:47

I am not a Scot but live in Scotland. I am amazed at the 'land flowing with milk and honey' attitudes of both some Scots and others who live here. Independence might achieve a psychological boost for some people but solving the problems of, say, poverty and the dire state of health in some parts of Scotland needs massive education programmes, investment in industry to create jobs and a huge movement to persuade large numbers of well-qualified professionals, skilled workers and business people not to leave in the event of a yes vote.

I foresee a very close vote and huge feelings of regret and bitterness on the part of the losing group. Should those feelings be translated into action many more like me will also consider leaving. I would love to be proved wrong.

It is difficult snape. MNHQ emailed a survey to Scottish Mnetters earlier and I answered 'I don't know' to most of the questions, therefore cancelling out my input. confused

Some people are just so 'sure' one way or the other and I envy that IYSWIM. It's on my mind a lot and I just seem to go in circles.

I think the problem is that no-one really knows what the implications will be of a yes vote. It's all speculation and prediction. As a non gambling type my head should firmly say no.

However the idea of a fairer society, social justice etc really appeals and strikes a chord and I would always wonder if it could have worked if I decide to say no. Could it work??

I am fortunate in that I haven't really been affected by the coalition policies that many of my fellow Scots and others around the UK have been. I strongly believe though that the current Westminster Govt do not represent me, my beliefs and priorities. Would I feel differently about Govt and have more an influence if decision making was a bit closer to home?

Sigh - I'm boring myself now!

TheDalek Wed 03-Sep-14 01:12:14

I'm voting no. I don't believe Scotland is necessarily more socialist - I think a lot of people are motivated bt ''I will never vote Tory' iyswim? And, tbh, I don't trust Salmond or anyone else who will be sorting the mess out if we vote Yes. And I know it's not a vote for a politician BUT how it is planned out, the deals arranged, everything like that, is what Salmond and his team will be doing, that will affect us forever. Whatever happens, there will be a lot of anger and hatred on both sides, and I worry that that won't be repaired for a generation at least.

wafflyversatile Wed 03-Sep-14 01:14:41

I'm Scottish but can't vote. I do want Scottish independence. They can't do a worse job than westminster. Change is always scary. But westminster can't offer any more certainty in the future anyway.

Elllimam Wed 03-Sep-14 01:20:29

I'm beginning to lean towards yes. A couple of months ago almost everyone I knew was a definite no, slowly but surely it seems to have turned, now literally everyone I know who talks about it is a yes. Weird smile

Wellknackerdmammy Wed 03-Sep-14 01:32:01

I'm not voting.
I do think independence is viable, but not right now.
Scotland has itself in a way already. We have always been a brand if u get me?....we now have A parliament but it is still so new, and was not like 'Ronseal' ie, the tin cost more and more before the contents were put in, and the contents don't seem to have been worth it YET.
To create a "new country with such loose plans is ludicrous.
There is no going back from a yes, but if they wanted to raise a referendum next year, with London's ok we could. And the same in 5 years etc. many people don't know that and will jump to this vote. Bit in my opinion there has to be more of a base for success. There are too many questions of what can and can't be negotiated until after the switch which renders it a useless and more frustrating leap than remaining as we are. Typical hot headed Scott's. it's salmonds greed.
To pass laws in the uk, they go from parliament to lords to queens vito, sometimes back and forward again until they are settled, democratic etc. who will vito Scotland's laws if independent? Salmond? head of state? If not him, is there really another fit enough candidate?
I'm all for independence when there is security and there is not.
So I'm not voting at all. my vote would not be no if there was a more solid foundation for a yes. Hence abstain.

Wellknackerdmammy Wed 03-Sep-14 01:37:21

Ellimam, that's the typical Scott's wahey approach. We all know its daft to do it but when it comes to it after years of the history we will attempt to bleed like Wallace. Aye, well until there is set in stone a proper guideline to which this country will stand, al sit this one out ta. Things can only get better? that was what tony said n now the torys r in power.
There isn't enough nitty to get gritty

zippy539 Wed 03-Sep-14 02:02:01

I am voting yes. I don't think Scotland will become a land of milk and honey if 'yes' wins the day and I accept that there will be some uncertainties but there are also MASSIVE uncertainties involved in staying in the Union (pressure on Cameron to pull out of Europe, the prospect of Boris and UKIP ruling Westminster, continuing financial instability, a v dodgy foreign policy, welfare cuts, the demise of the NHS). So to vote 'no' purely to preserve some mythical 'safe' status quo strikes me as completely barmy. I'm more than confident that Scotland has the resources (even without oil) to stand on her own two feet and I can't wait to see it happen. I disagree that the increase in 'Yes' voters is a typical ' wahey' approach. I think it is the result of Better Together campaign failing to present any good reason why Scotland is better off remaining in the UK (not to mention alienating a good percentage with their appalling and deeply sexist advertising campaign). If we are 'better together' then why aren't we better together NOW.

TheDalek Wed 03-Sep-14 02:04:37

The better together/better together now doesn't make sense. Better than what? Some people might say, I'm of them, that we are better together now as we'll be in shit in the case of independence.

OldLadyKnowsSomething Wed 03-Sep-14 02:14:25

Gawd, did we really need another thread on top of the fourth AIBU indyref current one? I'm a yes, and in answer to fledtoscotland, we'll fund it the same way we currently fund stuff; through the taxes we pay. Except that when we're not also funding Trident, HS2, London Crossrail and London sewer renewal amongst other "national asset" stuff, we'll have more to spend on housing, education, the NHS and other good stuff.

Wellknackerdmammy Wed 03-Sep-14 02:21:23

Lol, no bother hand the nuks back to London and stake claim over the oil? and that will work without an army?....please. It's all far too much and far too blatant. It's been being talked about for so long that any hope for us to have anything will have already been kiboshed by the underhand. There will be years of slashing it out to come before we get anywhere an in my opinion that should come first before we go anywhere. It won't now as a) it's too publicised an intention and b) our wings will be clipped before they can fly. C) get lost with writhing politicians u wldnt trust with your pram til you jumped in the shop for a pint of milk? I mean, would you?

everydayaschoolday Wed 03-Sep-14 02:29:56

I'm Scottish and I'd vote no. Because I consider myself British especially after serving in HM British Armed Forces. If I was still in, I wouldn't have opted to transfer to the proposed Scottish Defence Farce Force. But I don't get a vote.

Username12345 Wed 03-Sep-14 03:32:39

If Scotland do become independent, then change their mind. I don't think they should be allowed back. That'll learn 'em.

AberdeenAngusina Wed 03-Sep-14 05:04:18

I want more powers for Scotland, short of full independence. But as David Cameron wouldn't agree to a three question referendum, I'll be voting Yes.

Igneococcus Wed 03-Sep-14 06:36:48

I'm not Scottish but live in Scotland and will vote no.
I know people are saying this is not a vote about Salmond/SNP but realistically who is going to be in governement in an iScotland? The tories will never run iScotland (as I was again told in a Yes-campaign flyer), Labour, who didn't actually want independence, the LibDems? Who?
And who is going to pay for all those things that the yes campaign promises, free University, free care for the elderly, free prescriptions, a 2.5% annual rise in the pensions? The post-independence Scottish budget is resembling very much that fabled MN-chicken that feeds a family of six for a week, it can do all this and there will be spare cash for other stuff. I don't believe it.

TrendStopper Wed 03-Sep-14 06:46:35

I am undecided.

In the beginning I was a firm 'NO' voter however as time has passed I am getting more and more unsure. It is so hard. Do we take a chance and go for independance or stick with what we know.
I can see my walking into the polling station still undecided.

JaiOm Wed 03-Sep-14 07:16:19

I voted yes and sent off my vote with pride.

It's about time we took charge of our own destiny

Ulysses Wed 03-Sep-14 07:25:08

I'm voting no because I think this move towards independance is being argued without any real detail and substance. In terms how Scotland is represented, we have a Scottish Parliament we should be making that work with the powers that we have already with further devolved powers in the event of a no vote.

We're coming out of an international recession and I don't want another long period of financial instability which would be inevitable because of the changes that would be made. I don't believe that we would have considered a move to independance 10 years ago in the climate that we had then and times, opinions, political leanings do change and will change again.

The UK is a prosperous country, not for everyone granted, but also rich through it's culture, heritage and status in this world. I want my future to be within it but as we live in a democracy and should my children decide that they would be better off as part of a separate country, then there will further opportunities to participate in this process when they are adults. There is no going back with separation though.

Twooter Wed 03-Sep-14 07:26:58

Trend stopper - I was like you - a firm no, then a possibly yes, then a 'what the hell yes' and now a ' what was I thinking - definite no'. You
Might come through the uncertainty in a few more days.

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