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Muslim haircoverings question

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trufflehunterthebadger Wed 13-Aug-14 23:28:16

I saw a couple of women wearing this sort of scarf today. I was intrigued by the back of it and the height/volume achieved and could not stop wondering how it had been achieved. Are they filled kind of like a bun ring, do they have a firm structure inside ? It looked far too large to have been draped over hair alone. I've seen a few fashionable looking young women wearing this style of hijab recently and i did think it looked very elegant

3stripesandout Wed 13-Aug-14 23:31:40

No idea, but Westfield shopping center is full of very glam girls wearing them and beautiful full eye makeup. It's quite striking.

trufflehunterthebadger Wed 13-Aug-14 23:31:53

This is more like it, but the back was even bigger

ShatnersBassoon Wed 13-Aug-14 23:32:20

I've

ObfusKate Wed 13-Aug-14 23:32:33

There's that picture bug again!

Glitterkitten24 Wed 13-Aug-14 23:33:46

Place marking!
The girl who threads my eyebrows has a humongous 'bump' under her headscarf, I can't believe it's all hair as it just looks too large.

The style really suits her face some wondered if it's just a style, but would love to hear what's likely to be under her scarf!
Unfortunately i don't know her well enough to be comfortable asking her.

ShatnersBassoon Wed 13-Aug-14 23:33:54

I've wondered too. It looks sort of structured, as if there's a something holding it away from the head.

feesh Wed 13-Aug-14 23:43:40

I live in the Gulf normally and am over here on holiday, along with seemingly half the local populations of the Gulf countries (I saw a lot at Westfield too!). It's most definitely the fashion in the Gulf to make your hair as big as possible under your hijab and they do this by attaching either a massive flower clip or one of those bun things on top of their heads before putting the scarf on.

Add in a tonne of Mac makeup and some v expensive sunglasses and there's your look smile

At home they would normally wear the abaya (black cloak) but they sometimes seem to relax about that when spending the summer in England.

TalcumPowder Thu 14-Aug-14 00:28:36

What Feesh said about Gulf women. When I lived in the UAE, the fashion was for such big hair clips/ bun rings that it looked as though a second head might be hiding under the shayla. (I was a bit disappointed when I saw the reality.)

The outfit was typically completed with sunglasses, dramatic make-up, a flash handbag and a black designer abaya, which blows back slightly to reveal skin-tight designer jeans and pole-dancer shoes. Sometimes when I was travelling back and forth a glance in the direction of the first class loos would show a woman emerging without the abaya and shayla (shortly before landing in London) or putting them on (shortly before landing in Abu Dhabi).

StampyIsMyBoyfriend Thu 14-Aug-14 00:30:42

Buns? Ponytail?

Lezprechaun Thu 14-Aug-14 00:40:57

I would have assumed a pony tail or hair bun but them I have seen some that look too big to be hair and appear to have some kind of internal structure. Would love to know.

fukkigucci Thu 14-Aug-14 00:44:57

You can buy a big turban type thingy that had a kind of massive pin cushion at the top - holds it all up. No idea what it's called so can't really google it to find a link. I'll try though

NerfHerder Thu 14-Aug-14 00:46:38

I wonder when this fashion started? When I was at school, all my friends that wore headscarves had them quite sleek, and understated, but now... the bigger the better it seems- some of them are enormous- I suppose a bit like victorian bustles.

gingee Thu 14-Aug-14 00:54:07

I think it's called a Kaleeji hijab? Khaleji? And it comes from the gulf countries as a trend. They wear a sort of poufy ribbony think clipped in underneath for volume.

greeneggsandjam Thu 14-Aug-14 01:20:46

Yes, they tie up their hair with a pom pom type hair clip thing and then the way they wrap the scarf material matters. I don't know how to describe it but once its wrapped round, its kind of folded in pleats back over itself going from the back area to the front area of the head. terrible explanation. Anyway. I could never be bothered with all the effort and my arms would ache from messing around and folding so I will just have to stick with the flat look for now! (Also I think it kind of negates the whole point of wearing the scarf in the first place as it is obviously very eye catching but anyway).

Mandy2003 Thu 14-Aug-14 03:37:32

I was intrigued too and researched a bit. There was quite a lot of criticism saying it was anti-Islamic to wear the hair "like the hump of the camel". That's from the Koran apparently. I can see why because it does draw attention to something that's normally forbidden.

Oblomov Thu 14-Aug-14 05:17:03

These are some of the things i don't understand.
If the hijab is supposed to be about modesty, not complying with fashion, covering the hair, as part of accepting peoples inner qualities, rather than face value of how attractive they are, then the fashion side of extra hair pieces/buns and pony tails, and tons of eye makeup which is 'striking' doesn't seem to fit with that.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers Thu 14-Aug-14 06:31:18

Well oblomov that's the principle of hijab but when you're a young woman growing up without the choice to wear it or not your motives for wearing it may not be so virtuous! Young women are young women wherever they are and are socialised to want to look nice, attractive and eye catching regardless of cultural background hence the beautiful and intricate hijabs.

meltedmonterayjack Thu 14-Aug-14 07:01:16

It's usually achieved with either a big flower clip that the bumps up the volume or with something on these lines underneath:

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/158751382/tichel-volumizer-anti-slip-headband?&gclid=Cj0KEQjwmayfBRDo25CR9un4hvEBEiQAv9fBbVUuIPKjPQeMurzsWdOoI5PwIQi_NgNnKOePpxLEwMAaAkcq8P8HAQ

Re the drawing attention to your beauty with stunningly draped scarves, beautiful make-up etc, that's what I think too. The beauty and elegance of some hijabs and the wearer's make-up makes me stop and look in admiration sometimes, never mind blokes.

Some Orthdox Jewish women wear a Sheitel (a wig) for the same reason as hijabs are worn. Many I see are stunning - blonde, glamourous etc. Rather defeats the purpose of hiding the hair from men, if the covering is more luscious than the original hair underneath. Some wear a tichel (a scarf) and again, some of the styles are very eye catching. Though most of the tichel wearing women I see don't go in for the glamourous make-up or high-fashion. Though the volumiser above, gives the illusion of a lot of hair under the tichel like this:

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/189214022/exclusive-black-design-tichelhair-snood?ref=related-6

trufflehunterthebadger Thu 14-Aug-14 07:13:36

What is the point of covering your hair with a wig made from someone elses hair ?

EhricLovesTheBhrothers Thu 14-Aug-14 08:37:51

I guess the hair bumps are to give the impression that you have long, flowing locks underneath? Long, thick hair being an attractive trait.

greeneggsandjam Thu 14-Aug-14 09:32:28

I think they just like wearing it because they think it looks nice (I'm talking about the scarf, no idea about Jewish customs). I suppose they think well, I'm covering my hair at least! It does seem fairly pointless to be doing it and then wearing tight jeans, lots of jewellery and fashion walk make up. I suppose its a young girl thing. I don't see so many older people doing it. I certainly couldn't be bothered with it all. Anyway, each to their own I suppose.

greeneggsandjam Thu 14-Aug-14 09:39:46

Wow I just looked at the Jewish tichel and sheitel. I wasn't aware of these things, well maybe the tichel. I always seems to see Jewish women/girls wearing similar clothes and similar colour/style of hair. Actually I was wondering why they all seemed to have the same haircut, a kind of brown bob. So are they meant to cover up their hair too? It does again seem funny to cover your hair to be modest with a wig that makes you look uber glamorous!

I think it looks beautiful and very glamourous.

Bit jealous that I can't do it- would be blatant cultural appropriation.

meltedmonterayjack Thu 14-Aug-14 09:49:32

truffle - it seems pointless to cover your hair with hair. A scarf I can understand.

Some very religious married Orthodox women wear either a sheitel or a tichel. Before marriage girls/women don't wear either.

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