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Men's vs women's gymnastics. Floor Routine

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Why do men get to do strength work to get into the corner whereas women have to prance about. If they don't prance about enough they get disparaging remarks apparently.

What would happen if a women did a mans style routine?

And at the end of the day, why not just walk to the ruddy corner, we all know that's where you're trying to get to.

didiimaginethis Wed 30-Jul-14 21:31:11

I've just had this conversation with DH. We both like the gymnastics but I prefer the men's floor to the women's -purely because the men's looks like it shows off their strength more, however I prefer women's floor with equipment (ribbons/ball etc) even more - so much skill.
Say I, slobbing on sofa eating a magnum!

AtYourCervix Wed 30-Jul-14 21:34:01

I'm sure there is more wiggling and arm waving than there used to be. On the beam too. All sinuous and wiggly. I don't like it.

yes I am just jealous

CallMeDollFace Wed 30-Jul-14 21:34:02

Absolutely agree. It seems faintly ridiculous watching incredibly talented, athletically built female gymnasts do strange girly dance recital poses...

Info often feel they should just replace it with a tumble track, 3 times along it and be done. I'm not sure what the twiddly bits add. At least with the men's there is a competitive edge to the boys in between but I'm pretty sure all gymnasts can flick their legs a bit.

roughtyping Wed 30-Jul-14 21:37:48

Think the female routines are more to do with bendiness. It's v outdated. I used to much prefer the women's routines when I was younger but was lucky enough to be at gymnastics last night for Commonwealth and the men's routines were amazing. Floor was always my favourite when I did gymnastics but I was no good at the twiddly bits, much better at tumbling.

BethDaze Wed 30-Jul-14 21:44:51

Same reason women aren't given parallel bars or the rings.

The 1952 (I think) Olympic Games.

The rules there went on to become the standard, including the weird dance bits that are always awkward and sometimes cringeworthy.

It'd take years to make a fair change on the performers, which would be nice, considering the standard that the gymnasts are now able to perform at.

MirandaWest Wed 30-Jul-14 21:47:34

Women do a lot more tumbling on floor than they used to. And their asymmetric bars routines show a lot more strength than they used to IMO.

bigkidsdidit Wed 30-Jul-14 21:50:08

The prancey arm waving here is a bit crap. But good well choreographed floor routines are amazing. Lilia Podkapayeva's is still the best. When it's that good it's better than the men's.

ChatEnOeuf Wed 30-Jul-14 21:53:35

The women's floor is more to do with dance and interpretation of the music - as well as the tumbling. The men is a display of strength, courage and tumbling. I was never good at the twirling either, but nor could I do any of the strength bits of the men's routines

culturemulcher Wed 30-Jul-14 22:10:07

I can't stand the twiddly bits - outdated and, frankly, sexist. The women gymnasts are stunningly supple, precise and strong - why can't their routines showcase this rather than how "pretty" they can be?

Fine if the rhythmic gymnasts want to 'interpret' the music, but for the normal floor and beam routines the twiddly nonsense just gets in the way of their fantastic abilities.

grrrrrrrrrrr.

SillyBlueHat Wed 30-Jul-14 22:16:01

I prefer watching the women because of the twiddly bits. Adding dance and music interpretation is a skill on top of the tumbling.

ElephantsNeverForgive Wed 30-Jul-14 22:17:56

The women could not do the strength elements of a mans routine, they don't do rings and pommel horse.

I don't know if women could develop arm and shoulder muscles like a male gymnasts, I know my DD2(who is a keen recreational gymnast) wouldn't want to. For her a nice side effect of gymnastics is it gives you a figure to die for while still eating too much ice cream.

She would also say that the spins and leaps actually require as much skill as tumbling. I often watch her do back walkover after back walkover, outside my kitchen window, the curse a totally wobbly mess of a simple looking spin.

Also these days girls start gym so seriously so young, the squad girls haven't done ballet like I suspect they used to. DD wasn't a particularly good ballet dancer, but it does give her a certain elegance that not all her friends have.

holyhell Wed 30-Jul-14 22:22:58

Beth tweedle (sp) said yesterday that she had tried some of the mens apparatus, like the rings, but even at her peak did not have the physical strength to manage it. Sane for some of the floor work. I would think for a lady to do that her muscle mass would be significant and physically they might not want to look the way the guys do.

AlpacaPicnic Wed 30-Jul-14 22:25:10

Ooh, may I ask a supplementary question? Why is there occasionally a loud BEEP, is it to do with timing?

dancemom Wed 30-Jul-14 22:28:04

The beep is to signify the time remaining

Bifauxnen Wed 30-Jul-14 22:31:00

Hate the unnecessary prancing, takes away from the strength and skill in a way. Though the coverage went straight into boxing and I would give good money to see the boxers do a floor routine and watch the gymnasts kick the shit out of each other. They'd have to keep their outfits, though.

grumblepuss Wed 30-Jul-14 22:34:18

Im always amazed at the strength of male gymnasts. Hanging off rings and swinging around!

Its always amazing how much the human body can differ for each sport and how specialised it is.
A gymnast couldn't ride a bike as fast as a cyclist. Wiggins couldn't run 1500m competitively.
Even how much a sprinters shape differs from a longer distance runner.

RJnomore Wed 30-Jul-14 22:39:36

Emm my very slight friend does trapeze (for fun) and catches her sister and could do the type of thing they do in the men's rings without any difficulty. She has amazing muscle tone but isn't at all bulked up.

Of course women could do it. They just aren't allowed.

AlpacaPicnic Wed 30-Jul-14 22:40:55

Thank you dancemom!

TheFowlAndThePussycat Wed 30-Jul-14 23:00:36

I think the very fact that it looks like prancey arm-waving probably signifies that it isn't brilliantly done. Really well choreographed floor routines are when the dance and strength/balance/tumbling elements are really well combined. (The ribbons and balls mentioned by a pp are a totally different discipline, rhythmic gymnastics).

Having said that I see no reason why the women couldn't compete in the male-style events if they wanted to.

Elephants, at DDs gym ballet exercises form a big part of the training programme.

sixlive Wed 30-Jul-14 23:12:05

Except for one tumble they cannot stand still do start their tumble they are required to do prance bits in the corners before a tumble or else they get marks deducted. This is a rule introduced relatively recently, and it seems to have made the routines look dafter. I think the girls should ditch the music, but that comes from years of hearing the same sort of gym music at lots of competitions.

Bifauxnen Wed 30-Jul-14 23:15:50

when the Belfast child sings again

Six - you gave me a flashback to school gym with dreary music.

bookishandblondish Wed 30-Jul-14 23:17:53

To slightly alter the topic, what I really hate is the leotards - why are gymnasts treated differently from other athletes by wearing the same tinfoil my three year old niece would adore. Why can't they wear athletic clothes - shorts and vests.

If that's a new rule then that's a big step backwards. This is gymnastics, not dance. If the men don't have to waggle thier arms and bums around to get points, the women shouldn't have to either.

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