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No progress all year :(

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CauldronOfFrogsLegs Fri 11-Jul-14 22:02:16

Ds has ADHD. He has made little to no progress all year. He has not moved levels at all and has been on the same reading band since may last year. He was level threes across the board in year two report, although his book band was 4c. He is still three for maths and writing and still 4c for reading.

We didn't want to medicate him but when we were informed of his non progress at the last parents evening we went ahead with it to help him. This is the only reason he is on medication, to help him access school work and because he was getting in trouble for ADHD behaviours at school. W do not medicate him on weekends or for the holidays.

We asked if he would be given extra help to help him achieve his potential or catch up to expected levels this year and were told no. (He is also being investigated for asd, says he is bored at school and has learned nothing. He is, with out boasting!, a very intelligent child. And it seems as he is above average nc levels for his year they are happy to let this issue go)

We are awaiting the final year report in a few days so it will be interesting to see what they say.

What should our steps be going forward?

BalconyBill Fri 11-Jul-14 22:11:01

Can I just ask how old/what year group he is? Am I right in thinking year 3??

Morethanalittlebitconfused Fri 11-Jul-14 22:13:01

Has he made improvements socially or behaviourally? I'd say if the answer is yes then sack the academic stuff off for a year and recognise he's achieved in other areas

CauldronOfFrogsLegs Fri 11-Jul-14 22:20:43

Yes year three (have a thread in sn but it is quiet)

Sort of socially but not really. Behaviourally only because if the meds.

BalconyBill Fri 11-Jul-14 23:31:17

I asked because the jump from KS1 to KS2 often doesn't show 'progress' as the goal posts change hugely, particularly in English. Level 3 in yr 2 is a very good level of achievement. If it was a SATs level then you would not have been give a sub-level, so he may have been a 3c in yr 2 and now be achieving at 3a which is an expected amount of progress.

Year 3 is the first year out of infants and the social/independence learning is massive. Re the reading - support and push on reading in ks1 is huge and may lessen in yr3 depending on the school.

My biggest worry about your post is that he says he is bored. If he is achieving above the yr group expectations then he should have been identified and be giving additional challenges to keep him engaged. Ask the school about their g&t policy (or whatever term they use!).

CauldronOfFrogsLegs Sat 12-Jul-14 00:00:02

Our school don't have a g and t policy.

The class teacher set his targets, knows he is capable but can't get him to do it. They know he works better with support but won't give it as they don't want him to develop 'learned dependence'.

I knew the sub levels and they haven't changed at all. sad I mean NO progress.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun Sat 12-Jul-14 04:55:10

Cauldron, I have extensive experience of the world of special needs both as a mum and a granny so without boring you witless with the details I'll just go ahead and ask why your son is only medicated for school?

Could it be that he's not getting the best out of his medication and its affecting his schooling because the medication is not being kept at a constant level in his body.

Im asking because its my understanding that things have to be kept constant to the extent of the meds at the same time everyday. Granted I have no experience of the medication given for ADHD, but I do have experience of the medication given for related conditions and I would never be able to chose which days to give them and which days not to. If we want the benefit of them my son has to have them day in and day out.

Would it be worth finding out if not giving your son his medication daily is counterproductive to him reaping the benefit of it all round, but in school in particular.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun Sat 12-Jul-14 05:09:19

Just back to ask - can he get his knowledge out of him and on to paper? Could he be dyslexic?

An ASD? Very often a child's overall difficulties can be hidden by their intelligence. So there they are going through life being expected to achieve things because they are very clever, when the reality is their cleverness is hiding just how hard life actually is for them. This is more often the case when a child is at the HF end of the spectrum.

When it comes to children, or a young man like my son, who's very severely autistic, we can see their intelligence but there's no doubt whatsoever how very very hard life can be for him.

With my son what we see is what we get, with children who are at the HF end of the spectrum it isn't always the case.

MammaTJ Sat 12-Jul-14 07:44:57

Granny, just medicating for school is quite a normal choice for ADHD meds. The drugs given are reasonably short acting, so they do not rely on build up to maintain their effect.

OneInEight Sat 12-Jul-14 07:59:44

Do you agree with no progress being made e.g. if you look at his writing do you think it has improved over the past year. Sometimes, the lack of progress is more of a difference in opinion between different teachers.

Make appointment with teacher and/or SENCO to discuss. If lack of progress is confirmed then you could perhaps ask that your son is seen by an EP. You will probably have some difficulty as his levels are still good for his age and schools are on a tight budget for SEN. The advantage of this is that they could run tests to see if your sons aptitude matches his attainment and then, if different, suggest strategies school could use to help your son access his learning more efficiently.

If school are not willing and you continue to be concerned then you could go privately for an EP. Is fairly pricey though.

CauldronOfFrogsLegs Sat 12-Jul-14 08:23:54

Granny, the pead said it is not a build up medication and we can give it just for school as it is a fast acting, short lived effect.

I don't believe he is dyslexic. He could read fluently since he was three.

We have had a meeting with the senco and head when the levels were confirmed in writing. We asked for him to go on an IEP , they said no. We asked if we should go for a statement, they said no. We asked if he was going to be given help, they said no.

Seeing the EP would probably be a good thing, but the school have said no. We can't even get the specialist ADHD nurse in. Would love to pay privately but can't afford it.

Wait4nothing Sat 12-Jul-14 08:33:52

Can I ask if the level 3s in year 2 were recorded as 3b? We have a huge problem with ks1 Sats where if the child is above a 2a (so a level 3) they go down as a 3b - even if they are a 3c. This causes issues with progress in year 3 no end!
Also I know it's wrong but in our school - in ks2 tests (eg year 3 optional Sats) children struggle to attain the levels they achieved in ks1 Sats - partly due to how the tests are administrated (small groups, relaxed, every question read in year 2 vs whole class, very much a test, questions only read if asked)

flippetygibbet Sat 12-Jul-14 08:38:06

Hi- do you have a parent partnership in your area? sometimes they can help with schools in getting support- You can also start the statement process yourself - although will be called an EHCP from September - this organisation may also be able to help;

Madsometimes Sat 12-Jul-14 08:47:54

Dd2 made no progress at all in Y3, she stayed at 3c. She has just finished Y6 with a mixture of 5a's and 6's.

Please don't worry too much. Children's progression is rarely linear.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun Sat 12-Jul-14 09:14:48

Thank you for the info re the ADHD medication ladies. smile

KnackeredMuchly Sat 12-Jul-14 09:26:56

My friend is a teacher and was complaining to me - apparently her HT was cross at the lack of progress the children had made. My friend had ti really put her foot down, the previous teacher really inflated the results and screwed up the next years "slow progress". Even thpugh off paper the class had done well.

Could that be what's happened? Is that why the school aren't worried?

CauldronOfFrogsLegs Sat 12-Jul-14 10:27:55

I know it isn't linear but I would expect at least a sub level?

Tried parent partnership. They said it was a good school for sen. I agree they are improving and they are great for some sen children. However there is a group of children that are being let down (I know parents in both groups). We can't work out why there is such a difference in provision.

Levels weren't reported at 3b, no. We were told levels verbally at parents evening earlier this year. I prompted them to be put in writing and we got different answers back, but still showing no progress (whereas the verbal levels actually said he was going backward!)

From parent feedback, no one else has had rouble with their children not progressing so I honestly don't think it is a case of inflated levels.

pinkerson Sat 12-Jul-14 10:36:54

My dd made little progress in Y3, good progress in y4 and is doing Level 5 and some 6 work in Y5.

Schools have limited resources so I can see why they don't want to give your ds one-to-one even if he does work better with support (I'd have thought most children would flourish with targeted individual teaching in any case).

Could you do some work with him at home and asking for homework to help you do this.

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