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## How the heck to you teach you child times tables ?

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diamondlizard Sun 16-Feb-14 23:10:53

Any tips

Tue 18-Feb-14 14:57:16

I learned all mine at primary school up to 12 x 12 at about the age of 7.

We had to write them out ourselves in a special book.

The teacher drew the first line eg 1 x 2 = 2 and there was a little square with 2 dots in it, a bit like the face of a die.

We then had to write out the table continuing with 2 x 2 = 4, probably by counting to get the next number.

Then they were said in class. Every morning. Think they were cracked in a couple of weeks. It worked.

Then, when I was about 10, we got rules for deciding if a number was a multiple of another number, up to 12.

These were
2 - last digit divisible by 2
3 - sum of digits divisible by 3
4 - last 2 digits divisible by 4
5 - ends in a 0 or 5
6 - divisible by both 2 and 3
7 - have to try dividing it
8 - last 3 digits divisible by 8
9 - sum of digits divisible by 9
10 - divisible by both 5 and 2 or ends in 0
11 - add alternative digits - then either the total is the same, or its difference is 11 or a multiple

This is still taught in France in primary school. Dd's head teacher when she arrived in France in year 5 was shocked to learn that only odd and even was taught in England.

Dd is now working for her bac, not very good at maths, and still doesn't know her tables. Think this is, in part, why she's not very good at maths.

morethanpotatoprints Tue 18-Feb-14 14:53:20

Mine learned them when quite young. I didn't set out to do it particularly quickly but wanted to make it fun.
They played number games, did baking and sang silly table songs whilst beating the time on a drum and marching around the house.
Very noisy fun but they soon learned them.
The trick is to make it fun, they'll see it as play not work and will want to do it all the time.

RevoltInParadise Tue 18-Feb-14 14:46:48

You could try timez attack? A fun dungeon game that my ds loved.

LisaAYarrow Tue 18-Feb-14 14:39:54

I still know them now through repeated rote learning at school, over and over again we'd repeat them. A good wee trick for the 9 x table though:

Pretend it's the 10 x table then take away the number you want to multiply by, ie, what 3 x 9? Multiply 3 x 10 = 30 then take away the 3 = 27 :D

Tue 18-Feb-14 14:38:36

Times table poster £3.75

I have one for DD. She's not interested yet as she's only two next month. But it's there on her wall.

FreckledLeopard Tue 18-Feb-14 14:36:01

Rote learn, rote learn, rote learn.

Percy Parker helps if your child likes to sing.

Mumzy Tue 18-Feb-14 14:27:40

Rote learn daily !

Mumzy Tue 18-Feb-14 14:27:09

Rote learn ten minutes and then ask them 4 random sums eg 3x4, 3x7, 3x9, 3x12. We did this with ds2 and dd who have both learnt them in 2 months. Ds1 we did as school advised took about 2 years

diamondlizard Tue 18-Feb-14 14:19:22

yeah its not expensive a couple of quid

i will get it on your reccomendation then

i think dd would love a little test book, shall look out for them

Tue 18-Feb-14 14:11:22

Mine just learnt them by rote, she's in P5 (8-9), they started learning them in P4.

They write them out in their homework book, get tested once a week, then revise blocks of them throughout the term.

She thought writing them out helped her a lot & she likes the multiplication test books - we get them from Poundland, B&M, Marks & Spencer, Sainsburys

castlesintheair Tue 18-Feb-14 14:07:15

I had them stuck on the board in the kitchen but I found the best way was learning them going for a walk or in the car. Start by saying "What's 1 x 7?" "7", "What's 2 x 7?" "Er 14", "What's 3 x 7?" "Er", "Ok what's 14 + 7?" etc etc. Then practice practice ad infinitum. Personally I don't think you need to buy any CDs or gimmicks, just get them to work them out step by step. Then do them backwards, muddled up. It's boring but it works.

DD1 learnt all her times tables during the Year 2 summer holidays by doing this: traipsing around the hills of Scotland and along the beach in Cornwall. By the start of Year 3 she was the times table guru. DS just seemed to know them mysteriously overnight and DD2 is learning them at school. We live in a country now where they teach them the old fashioned rote way, luckily for me!

SugarPlumpFairy3 Tue 18-Feb-14 14:07:15

Yes you do but it's only a couple of £s and it's well worth it ( I'm a teacher btw).

Their app for spellings is fab too.

diamondlizard Tue 18-Feb-14 13:48:08

thanks for the help

starting to get somewhere vvv slowly!

been playing this carol voderman video

are they all dire? or is there a differnt cd i could try
?

here

think we are going to make a large poster tonight
/this afternoon

and look at apps
that squggles one you have to pay for

amicissimma Tue 18-Feb-14 11:39:19

Repetition.

There are some that just don't seem to 'stick'. With those I found the best approach was just to go over and over them.
Eg 'What are 7 9s?'
'Er..'
'63. Now, what are 7 9s?'
Again and again, every few minutes. And check next day. And next week. And, of course, 9 7s and 63 divided by 7 and 63 divided by 9.

Specially useful for squares which only come up in one table.

notanotherusername1 Tue 18-Feb-14 11:25:49

I agree with the boring CD. I was rubbish at tables before I had dc, the CD in the car solved it all.

We also had a large poster in their bedrooms with them all on and would turn it into a game at night for us all to fire some off to each other. I was tested as well

I would say things along the lines of "whoever knows their x7 by the end of the wk gets to do something nice". It normally worked.

I like bribery, everyone is a winner.

Tue 18-Feb-14 11:17:58

7yo DS (Y2) has been using several different ways to learn them.

I've downloaded times tables pop songs from itunes for the car.
Times table poster (poundland) in his room.
Times table flash cards (usbourne I think).
There are various free websites where dc's can play times table games.
Using a pack of playing cards to generate random sums. Ie; he is learning the 4 x table so if he picks a 6 then it's 6x4, and so on.....

DS is picking them up fairly quickly though. I'm not sure what else I'd do if he had a mental block about them. We spend 5 minutes on them every day.

littleredsquirrel Tue 18-Feb-14 11:11:56

Percy parker

Hate it with a passion but it worked

Oh and times attack. fabulous computer game and DS1 knows his tables inside out as a result.

Tue 18-Feb-14 11:09:36

Squeebles is a great app, our school uses Percy Parker cd so ds1 knows it by song to get to grips with it, they learn the same times tables for a month then have a test, bronze award for knowing times table in order, silver for out of order and gold for teacher giving the answer and pupils writing the equation, so therefore not just learning it in order "parrot fashion" but actually having to learn that 8x12=96 without 1x12=12, 2x12=24......

Oh, and lots of practice.

SugarPlumpFairy3 Tue 18-Feb-14 07:06:52

Squeebles! A really fab app.

mathanxiety Tue 18-Feb-14 04:47:32

That was just terrible teaching, CorusKate. One of the main points to learn about multiplication is its commutative property.

No wonder children are put off math.

Innogen Tue 18-Feb-14 03:17:38

I bought DD a book, that just listed them. Looked like hell to me but she loved it.

I never had to teach them her at all, that marvellous book did all the hard work for me.

CorusKate Tue 18-Feb-14 02:47:54

Still seething at the injustice of having a whole page of times tables answers marked wrong in 1996 because they were written the "wrong way" - e.g. 2 x 7 = 14 not 7 x 2 = 14.

whitesugar Tue 18-Feb-14 02:31:09

If they are old enough teach them to play Pontoon or 21 as it is sometimes called.

DarlingGrace Tue 18-Feb-14 01:52:53

Chanting. Learning by rote really is the best way, despite what Ofsted says

GertBySea Tue 18-Feb-14 01:48:49

I just received this on an email circular. Sorry if it's been covered already, but thought I'd just include it in case it helps.
Haven't read the whole thread as not up to that point with DC yet

http://www.kids-first.com.au/how-to-help-kids-learn-time-tables/

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