Mumsnet logoby parents for parents
home search join my Mumsnet recipes reviews local sites blogs member discounts shopping classifieds contact a mumsnetter games
log in

moon
Mumsnet members get a 10% discount from Boden (including free returns and free delivery), The White Company, sweaty Betty, Luxury Family Hotels, JoJo Maman Bebe, Siblu, Blooming Marvellous, GLTC, Bump to 3 (the official online shop for Grobags) and more. Click here for more info Join mumsnet here. DiscPart
Mumsnet Discussions: Behaviour / development : 20 month old toddler refusing to go to sleep in her cot... please help! (sorry, long) (18 messages)
Add a message Watch this thread Flip this thread Add new thread in this topic
"
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 13:09:26
Hi. My 20 month old daughter has always been a good sleeper and since she was about ten months old has happily been put down un her cot to sleep and gone off without a murmur. She occasionally wakes in the night (bad dreams mainly) and wants to come into our bed but mostly sleeps through and until a few days ago would actually smile at me as I put her down to have a nap or go to sleep at night.

A few days ago, she suddenly started howling blue murder as soon as I put her in her cot. I left her to cry for a few minutes but she got up and started banging her head really hard on the bars (hard enough to produce a proper bruise) and making appalling catsick noises so I went and got her. She then fell asleep on me within a few minutes (basically as soon as she calmed down) and I put her back down in her cot and she slept perfectly fine after that.

She does the same thing with her daytime nap and at night. I have no idea what to do to help her get back on track with going to sleep. I have tried asking her if anything is the matter in her room or with her and run through a whole list of what might be wrong (eg too hot, too cold, too dark, too light, too scary, too loud, too quiet, wrong pyjamas/cover/cuddly toys, something hurting, thirsty, hungry etc etc) with no recognition from her. She is quite good at talking and definitely understands all of these words, at least well enough to know if one of them was the matter.

It seems that she just wants to fall asleep on me. While it doesn't take long, it's annoying for me and I can't help feeling it's not a good idea for her.

Her usual sleep pattern is that she sleeps around 11 hours at night from 8pm to 7am (sometimes a bit less) and has one nap of about an hour and a half in the day, from 12.30 to 2.

What can I do? I'm not happy about leaving her to cry because of the headbutting - I'm worried she might hurt herself. I have tried sitting in her room with her and holding her hand in the dark but it seems this isn't good enough.

Nothing has recently changed in her little world to set something like this off. She has also experienced a huge resurfacing of separation anxiety and can hardly bear to let me out of her sight at the moment, not even to have a bath while she plays with her dad.

Any advice gratefully accepted!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By pampam on Sat 17-May-08 13:22:49
don't have any advice but have a 23 month old who has never settled in her cot so will watch with interest!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 13:27:14
What do you do, pampam? Do you just let her fall asleep on you?

Also, good luck. You never know - mine suddenly stopped settling so maybe yours will suddenly start!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 14:40:08
Oh yes, I meant to ask - what do you think of the idea of taking the sides off her cot bed so she doesn't feel so trapped in there? A possibility or opening up a whole new world of cot refusal?!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By CrazyMofo on Sat 17-May-08 16:03:26
I had this same problem with DD around the same age as yours, so i went out and bought a toddlers bed with sides and it solved the problem!!!

She probly just feels trapped and wants to sleep in a bed like mummy.

If you have a cot bed i would just take off the sides.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 16:50:06
Thanks so much, Crazy. I will do the dismantling tomorrow when DH is here to help and see how it goes. I hope my daughter takes to it like yours did!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By bubblagirl on Sat 17-May-08 17:04:47
my ds gave his cot up at 19 months as felt to resricted didnt like the bars around him

got him junior bed and was fine till around 2 half then wouldnt sleep in it
got him single bed and now he spreads right out and spends at least 4 out of 7 nights in his bed now rest of time on bed on my bedroom floor but were getting there
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 21:15:11
Thanks bubbla, it looks like a 100% vote for no bars so far!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By CrazyMofo on Sat 17-May-08 21:23:35
God your DDs so cute!!

Good luck, i hope it works
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sat 17-May-08 21:35:05
Oh, I've just looked, so is yours. What a sweetheart. And I love that wall light.

Daughter insisted on falling asleep on me again tonight but I told her that we were going to take the sides off the cot so it was a real bed just like mummy's and she said 'Bed, bed! Okaaaaay!'. Am not entirely sure if this meant she wanted the sides taken off her cot or if she was just loving my bed. I suppose I will find out tomorrow!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By CrazyMofo on Sat 17-May-08 21:42:08
Lol, i bet when she sees its just like her mummys she will be happy to sleep in it.

I think there were a couple of nights when dd got out of bed a few times but she didnt cry like she did in the cot.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By CrazyMofo on Sat 17-May-08 21:42:51
Oh and the wall light is from IKEA wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sun 18-May-08 19:38:28
Gah. Well, she loves her bed to bits and has played in it nearly all day but has absolutely no interest in going to sleep in it. Much crying at nap time. I am going to try doing all her stories in her bed tonight and see how it goes. On the bright side, being a bed makes it way easier to put her down after she's fallen asleep on me.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lilQuidditchKel on Sun 18-May-08 20:16:43
here's another idea - if her new bed has little sides or if you can put those fold-away ones on, and decorate them with stickers of things she likes, maybe adding one every time she goes to sleep nicely, it will make the whole thought of going into bed more appealing. It certainly helped DS. Because of our DD we took him out of the cot and after a month he started popping out of bed for a million times in a row no matter how many times we put him back. I bought a new duvet cover with little cars on, and put wall stickers from Homebase of tractors and police cars down along the wall just above his bed, put a cot side on, did the sticker thing, and it definitely changed his attitude. I've also heard that sep anxiety returns at this age so hopefully it will pass for you soon. good luck!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By claremal on Sun 18-May-08 21:31:25
This won't be what you want to hear, but DS started this at about 18 months. We tried various strategies, some of which worked for a few days but no longer. I think it was the usual- a stage. He stopped after about 3 months. I think he just didn't want to be on his own; but we found it difficult because we didn't want it to become a habit, so did leave him to cry (with regular reassurance visits) if he wasn't too upset. Sometimes he went to sleep, other times he got more wound up and we had to settle him. Unfortunately, he took longer to settle than your DD although he stopped crying as soon as I sat down holding him. Now, he will mostly go to sleep immediately, but sometimes want cuddles. I hope that your DD goes back to her usual self more quickly and enjoys her new bed.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Sun 18-May-08 21:56:45
We managed to stay in her bed together for quite a while at bedtime tonight (hope it's not going to collapse under my weight), but in the end it was back to our bed and letting her fall asleep on me. I don't want this to become something stressful for her so have basically decided to go with the flow as much as possible.

Sticker idea is good. I had thought of wall stickers for her room, anyway, I think she'd love something like that.

Clare, the idea of it only being for three months is actually lovely so it's exactly what I want to hear! At the moment, it feels like it might be a life sentence!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By no1putsbabyinthecorner on Mon 19-May-08 22:54:32
Just wondered how you were getting on lucicle
My dd is 15 months and has also always been a good sleeper, almost always been put down awake.
However recently been very clingy wrapping legs around me and gripping me tight when I lower her into cot. For some day time naps too.
She screamed like I never heard before, it was horrible. Tried laying her in our bed she just screamed some more.
Sat her on my knee on the chair in her room and she fell straight to sleep. On several occasions.
I am also torn between going with the flow or being persistant in leaving her to cry for a while. (Tonight only cried for 8 minutes)
Good to know its probably just a phase.
Its so tempting to cuddle her to sleep as I never get a cudle usually. But baby due in August and want her to be happy and settled. IYKWIM
SORRY TO WAFFLE blush
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lucicle on Tue 20-May-08 13:38:23
Well, it's not going very well, actually, no1! Sorry to hear you are going through the same pain and hope your daughter gets the hang of the whole thing soon. I have more or less given up trying to put my daughter down alone as now that her cot is a bed, there is no way she's staying in there without me! 8 minutes crying sounds kind of all right if that ends with yours being asleep, though obviously a bit horrible for you.

What I'm trying to do at the moment is work towards her falling asleep in her bed with me beside her in the hope that I can then gradually withdraw bit by bit. Or she might just come to her senses. A friend with a child about six months older has been going through the same thing recently and her daughter has suddenly just stopped being mad and started asking to go to bed in her own bed again. You never know, it might happen for us, too!


Add your message here

Message
Emphasis: To bold a word, surround it with asterisks, so *hello* will display hello. For underline use _ , so _hello_ gives hello. For italics use ^, so ^hello^ gives hello. To strike out a word, surround it with two hyphens either side, so --dog-- gives dog

Links and smileys: To insert a smiley face,  , type [smile] or :)
For a big grin,  , type [grin] or :o
For a wink,  , type [wink]
For a shocked face,  , type [shock]
For an angry face,  , type [angry]
For an embarrassed face,  , type [blush]
For a sad face,  , type [sad] or :(
For an envious face,  , type [envy]
For a sceptical face,  , type [hmm]

Links The simplest way to insert a link is to enter the link itself, surrounded by [[ and ]]. So if you type [[www.mumsnet.com]], the link will display as http://www.mumsnet.com. If you want your link to display text other than the web address itself, leave a space after the address then add the text before the ]]. So "Look at [[www.mumsnet.com this page]]", would display "Look at this page".
Nickname:
Password:
To post a message you need a valid mumsnet nickname and password. If you have forgotten your nickname, click here for a reminder. If you are not yet a member of mumsnet, you can join here.