If honey is cooked (boiled) for 15 mins or more - does the botulism risk dissapear? Are there any scientists out there????
So, can I give meals with honey in when weaning?

call out for sweetkitty

Apparently cooking doesn't destroy the particular type of botulism that is in honey.

I need scientific proof?? or some up to date research to read!

How do I call out for sweetkitty?

i have done it for you

hope she will be here soon

No boiling will not kill any botulism IF it was present.

Personally I wouldn't give it to my under one, it's only 6 months or so probably best to wait.

<thanks kitty>

she is food expert

Can't believe I got a MN call out

Could bore you will all the science stuff but I won't you would be asleep in 5 mins flat.

Thanks justjules.

No didn't give to mine either. but It does so much good -naturally!!

i wanna hear the scienec bit

go on kitty...

Another food expert here and I second what sweetkitty said, if there's botulism there heat won't kill it.

Just avoid it for first year, it's not worth the risk.

Need to hear the scientific stuff!!!!

hey kitty,

can you eat it while preggers?

and is it true that local honey can help hayfever?

botulism spores are pretty heat resistant

Yes it can. but you should eat it a couple of months before the season starts.
Vasaline up the nostrils helps!!

<<makes mental note that OMDB is foody expert too>>

why is botulism spores in honey?

and what else are they in?

Botulism spores aren't actually active in the honey, but they can grow in the gut once ingested, and infants don't have sufficient stomach acid to destroy them, whereas older people do.

They are found in the soil i think!! and the bees get everywhere!!
only in honey which is raw (tastes better)
too!!

botulism spores are found throughout nature- in soil, dust, plants, and unwashed fruit and vegetables, but iirc they are found in the highest concentrations in honey. About 10% of honey samples contain the spores.

You can eat honey when pregnant as your gut is mature enough and contains enough friendly bacteria to stop the spores multiplying.

Thank you.

thanks

sorry my PC crashed last night

I agree wholeheartedly with OMDB.

In developing countries especially they sometimes give honey to babies as a treat to calm them down when crying, honey is 100% natural not preocessed in any way so carries a high risk of having botulism spores present, in babies this causes infant botulism or floppy baby syndrome not usually fatal but not very nice.

this is an interesting thread. I learn something from mumsnet sometimes.

my pil thought i was mad when my sil tried to give my ds a spoonful of honey at four months and i went mad. They gave it their dc all the time. Probably why her dc are sickly and mine is not

my mil also didn't know about not giving honey to under-ones. She thought I was making a fuss about nothing when I told her it's not recommened.