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...according to recent threads and that this is probably because we spend too much time in front of a computer stuffing our faces and not enough time getting off our fat backsides and exercising!
Or it could just be that a lot of us worry about our weight, as a lot of women do. I am not overweight as such but would like to lose 10lb or so of baby weight (ha ha dd is 20months old!)
I'm within the normal weight range for my height. I'd like to be a bit thinner though as I'm bigger than I'm used to. But you couldn't class me as overweight, let alone obese.
Also BMI of 24. I could do with losing a few pounds granted, but since my job also requires me to be in front of my computer 10hours/day stuffingmyface it's hard to tell what to blame...
The point is that just because someone posts on a losing weight thread, that doesn't mean they're fat. You seem to be assuming that every MNer who posts on a weight thread is obese, when that's not the case.
I imagine its the same proportion as the general population, which is what we are of course. I would be stuffinf my face but I've run out of chocolate...
I don't believe anyone who is fat and says they don't care. I do care but need a kick up the a* to motivate myself to do something about it. However, there is absolutely no point to this thread starlight - just a survery out of interest. Are you obese yourself?
I'm not but I couldn't care less what someone else weighs. It doesn't change my opinion of someone. I'm on here because I find it a fantastic site full of wit, laughter, support and advice, not to see how many pies someone ate
Im slightly over weight but nothing to write home about. I dont see what being overweight has to do with MNers.
If your overweight Anotherfatty thats fine but please dont try to drag our self esteem down with yours, If your happy sitting in from of a computer all day stuffing your face then good for you. I take it you dont get your 5 a day!!
just like to say you can be over weight and be healthy and skinny and un healthy to.it all depends on your life style,im in the obiese catergary,although im doing something about it as personally im not happy wth the way i am.im at weight watchers which is great in 10 weeks ive lost 22lbs, ive got another 3 stones(46lbs to go) xx
I know my BMI because it is checked when I have a pill check. I am not smug - wouldn't say I was thin, but sitting at the PC isn't making me fat! Not sure of the point of this thread.
anotherfatty thanx hunni,no its not all glammor pusses, tbh there all great at my meeting really surportive,as all there for the same thing u know,u can do it on line to. id recomend it to anyone who wants to lose weight xx
Obviously huge numbers of people in the UK and US are too fat and for the first time in history we have more problems with obesity than starvation taking the world as a whole. We only just reached that point. It's a very interesting stage of human physical development to have been reached. Soon more people will be overweight than not so our appreciation of norms will change and those who are 9 stone or under like I am will be seen as bizarre perhaps.
yawn.are you bored op? btw im underweight.i eat crap all day,dont do much excercise other than walking so your theory-'...according to recent threads and that this is probably because we spend too much time in front of a computer stuffing our faces and not enough time getting off our fat backsides and exercising! 'is crap.ive probably got crapper diet and do less excercise than people who are considered over weight.
I'd look terrible under 9 stone. When I am 10 stone I am a small size 10, can you imagine what size I would be under 9 stone?
How can you tell how many are fat/obese?
There are some that are obese, there are some who are desperately trying to gain weight, there are some like me just unhappy with body shape - I want to be a couple of lb lighter, but that is to make me the small size 10 rather than a bigger one, not because I am massive iyswim.
Tis the internet - there will be lots of different shapes, just like in life
The best, or should be the best, thing about MN is the fact that nobody knows what you look like, how big your house is etc and can just converse with you about topics and not you. This occasionally goes wrong when people take things personally (How could it possibly be unless you specifically ram info about them from another thread). Who cares who's fat, thin, 'under nine stone' etc. I used to be under six stones, now that's fucked up!!
why 9 stone? Xenia, you sound like my MIL who thinks 8 stone is the magic weight all womne should be. I'm 10 4 and thin cos I am tall. There is no magic weight really to be classed as 'healthy' or 'right' and the desire to be ultra-thin is a male plot to keep women from taking over the world.
Obviously height is relevant. The average height for women is about my height 5 foot 5. The lowest safe weight for that is 8 stone (18 BMI which is normal and can look pretty good too) and in 1950 the average woman of that height was 8 stone 7 by the way (now she'll be size 16 and God knows what weight....)
10 stone at my height if healthy weight too so there's a good 2 stone margin I think to be healthy at my height but if you get up to 12, 13 etc it is over the recommended weights for height.
"More problems with obesity than starvation? Globally? That can't possible be true, surely. In the West, sure - but not worldwide." Yes globally - it astounded me when you think of all those thin Chinese (25% of the world's population is Chinese) never mind Africa and india - I'll look it up.
I am a bit overweight and its just because I am too tired running about after my DD to think about healthy eating and knuckle down to a diet...i'm sure there are other mums like me, maybe thats why there appear to me more overweight people here?
The chinese are tiny in the South, little legs and no bottoms!! They are obsessed with weight and advertise overnight weightloss pills everywhere. Of course they're low weight have you seen the size of their hips? When I was a 6-8 I was still a medium in Chinese sizing!!
Me too cheesesarnie. I have a very slight frame though (am of part Asian descent) and anytime I have put on weight it all goes round my face/neck adn I get a pot belly!
Yes I am fat, yes I eat too much and exercise too little. Yes I spend far too much time on MN.
But I am still fecking funny, I can still run fast enough to beat my 4 yr old in a race, can run long enough to play football with her and can jump high enough to jump over the dog.
I just look shite in a pair of leggings and t-shirt - but then doesn't everyone....
According to the Wii fit my dp, who is very big built, 6' and about half a stone overweight has a BMI of 36 or something and is obese, as are most of the England Rugby team...BMI is a load of rubbish.
I'll put my hand up and say overweight. 5'4" and almost 12 stone. And a long time since I had babies so can't blame it on that. Infact I'm heavier than at the end of both my pregnancies
can't even use that excuse! Mine are older and eat everything! Think it's cos I don't have to run around after them so much - well I do, but it's in the car rather than up and down stairs IYSWIM.
People don't realise how difficult it can be to be skinny. I am really tall and really thin and people are always saying, Oi, are you a supermodel or what? It gets sooo boring and upsetting.
Is there any other subject guaranteed to get under the skin of a woman - regardless of her size? It's laughable how outraged the initial responses were. Get over it.
I am a fatty but I was a fatty before the days of MN so cannot sue How do you know so many MNers are chubbies - I mean there are alot of weight loss threads, but that's really just because people of a ... 'normal' (I don't mean that rudely) weight won't be having a thread about their weight, if that makes sense.
I'm a hefty girl - over 14 stone and 5ft 8", but I can run 30 minutes without stopping, lift a hay bale with one hand, and throw it over my head, almost bend double and put my head on my knees from standing up and can hold onto a half ton horse which is trying to gallop off.
Yes, my BMI is higher than the guidelines. I'd like to be a size 10 and less than 9 stone but it's just not going to happen. If people want to think I spend all my time watching TV / MNetting and eating chocolates and doing nowt, good luck to 'em. I don't give a flying fig.
I have a sneaking nostalgia though for a time when a woman who could wrestle a cow to the ground was not thought of as a lazy cow who could get to look like Sienna if she just tried a bit harder and didn't eat so much. Maybe I'll just have to join a reenactment society - wench frock anyone?
"I don't believe anyone who is fat and says they don't care. I do care but need a kick up the a* to motivate myself to do something about it".
Reading between the lines the op is possibly feeling a bit down about herself at the moment (plus the comment about assuming slimming clubs are full of 'glamourous' women).
I would like to say anotherfatty that I have attended slimming clubs and they are full of people of all shapes, sizes and walks of life and most are very supportive and friendly, regardless of what you wear or how glam you look. So if you are thinking of giving it a go, don't be discouraged by what you imagine it's like, go and see for yourself. Good luck if you do decide to follow this path x
As a frequent visitor on the Weight loss threads, I didn't for one second take any offence at the question asked and didn't bother to respond.
However, I cannot let Itsthawooluff's post go without saying what a fabulous image she has given me of her lifestyle. It sounds like you live on some futuristic farm run by amazonian women with superpowers. I love it! Have you thought about writing a book?
Hi, just got back. Brilliant image 'itsthawooluffs', also agree with xenia that size 16 is probably 'fat' but size 26 is defo! Don't want to offend any ladies and you are all lovely regardless of size.
Some people live in cloud cuckoo land over their weight.
NHS direct - hardly an inflammatory inaccurate web site says - "If your BMI is between 18.5 and 24.9 you're an ideal weight for your height. " For 5 foot 5 that is a lowest weight of 8 stone.
A BMI of 18.5 is safe. It is normal healthy weight charts. It is not anorexic, underweight or anything like that.
For 5 foot 5 a weight of 10 and a half stone is safe and healthy too and that is BMI 24.5 or something like that. So when I said my height and between 8 - 10ish stone I was right. Now I am about 9 and look better at that than 10 stone for sure and at under 9 in a bikini (after 5 children and being 46 etc) and if you're a stone over weight - say 11.7 you aren't likely to be keeling over with a heart attack but once you get well above that I think everyone realises you'd be better off slimmer.
The UK has a massive obesity problem at the moment. I think it's partly because people eat too many junk foods and if they ate low GI and GL foods they would be better. I lost a stone not because I ate less at all but because I cut out junk food. What I also found was for the first time I didn't catch colds this winter too. Just look at the women coming out of the FLDS ranch in Texas in that child custody case - they eat a normal healthy diet of meat, carbs, veg. They don't eat the modern American diet. They are all healthy looking. With the Kuna Indians on islands in Panama 18 months ago we also saw an entire community where no one was fat - it was quite an amazing sight. They live on fish, veg and plantains and I think brown rice.
On the point about now more fat peopleo n the planet than starving there was this from 2006 from the BBC site which is what I remembered
"Overweight 'top world's hungry' Overweight person being measured The number of people overweight has topped 1bn across the world There are now more overweight people across the world than hungry ones, according to experts.
US professor Barry Popkin said all countries - both rich and poor - had failed to address the obesity boom.
He told the International Association of Agricultural Economists the number of overweight people had topped 1bn, compared with 800m undernourished.
Speaking at an Australian conference, he said changing diets and people doing less physical exercise was the cause.
Professor Popkin, from the University of North Carolina, said that the change had happened quickly as obesity was rapidly spreading, while hunger was slowly declining among the world's 6.5bn population.
The biggest increases are being seen in parts of Asia with certain populations more susceptible than others Professor Tony Barnett, of Birmingham University
He told the conference at the Gold Coast convention centre near Brisbane: "Obesity is the norm globally and under nutrition, while still important in a few countries and in targeted populations in many others, is no longer the dominant disease."
He said the "burden of obesity", with its related illnesses, was also shifting from the rich to the poor, not only in urban but in rural areas around the world.
China typified the changes, with a major shift in diet from cereals to animal products and vegetable oils accompanied by a decline in physical work, more motorised transport and more television viewing, he added.
Totally agree Xenia, also I notice that when I lose weight my skin, eyes look better also. We are in denial about this problem in the Western world any most won't admit to gluttony. (I do - but I'm not proud of it)
But I always imagine all of you as being perfectly formed, utterly beautiful, accomplished, well-dressed and educated and marvellous mothers living in gorgeous homes
Speaking as someone who has been very underweight and looked frightful I accept that over eating is as significant an issue as under eating, but greedy is greedy and lazy is lazy!! Just as aspiring to be Cheryl Cole or Posh Spice is very fucked up!!!
I meant 18.5 not 18 but people at the bottom but within healthy weight seem to get castigated and yet one study found being 18.5 was actually the ideal, not the top of the range. (Mind you another found those a stone over the top healthy BMI lived longest so that might comfort our fatter bretheren....)
The UK has a huge obesity problem. It does not have a huge anorexia problem and it does not have vast numbers of people under 18.5 BMI who are desperately trying to get over that.
If you're average height and 8 - 10 stone you're fine. Actaully we ought to look up average height because 5 foot 5 might now not be average compared to 1950.
Those Popkin figures are interesting (and surprising), but the obese (300 million) do not outnumber the starving (800 million). (The overweight (over 1 billion) do outnumber the starving, but I don't think being overweight is in any way as serious as being starving.)
However, I accept the general point that obesity is a growing problem, while starvation seems to be on a downwards trend.
We do have food shortages and price rises particularly for products such as rice and other staples at the moment so may be the 1 billion overweight and obese will reduce below the 800 million starving. But it certainly surprised me. If I'd had to guess I'd have said 80% of people on the planet were in place where it's hard to get food and many were underfed in China, India and Africa and instead we have more overweight and obese over the whole planet than starving. This will be the first generation to live shorter and more health problems than their parents ever simply because they eat such a bad diet and are so fat.
But I'm not saying it's easy to get off junk food (a lot of it is addictive) nor easy to lose weight. It's not.
by gawd you'd have to enormous for your ankle to be fatter than your leg is long, and your wrist have a greater diameter than your head. Surely being rather less overweight than that would be lethal?
I was going to save the hassle and do it in one go when I'm done spawning. 
