New thread!!!

Has anybody used nelsons arnica tablets?

Cx

Yes MW did touch/stroke the top of baby's head, because she went all the way up to my cervix and 'released' the rest of my show/got my hormones going by 'opening up' the area. In perinal massage you are only really massaging inside the vagina and not poking into places up top you wouldnt normally.. iyswim.
Also she wouldn't have done the internal if LO hadn't been fully engaged (I think...). She said he was as low as he is going to get.
I am still bleeding away at the moment, and I am waiting for my waters etc. to go.
I felt so good to be able to make a decision earlier with MW (asking if I wanted the internal). I felt in control for once. Which really isn't something pregnancy allows when it comes down to what happens to your body and when!!

I am so excited. I have been jumping up and down and doing gentle excercise as MW recomends, but I am tired now and need a nap!

Whether I actually get to sleep or not is another story!

I would love to know PAL's baby name if anyone would be kind enough.
thepfj@hotmail.com

Thank you xxx

emailed you.

Oh PFJ!! So excited for you! Are you having a home birth? I cant remember.

Cx

No, hospital all the way baby!!
Gimme that gas and air!!

Thanks Scorpio

Phone number for April 08 news!
07963222741 - Peachy

Babies already here:

07 March: Ashton, a fourth DS for gemprincess, 5 lb 13 oz @ 34w6d
09 March: Ted, 7lb 14oz, a second DS for Daftmoo, @ 36w
21 March: George William, 7lb 2.5oz, first baby for KnitterintheNW, @ 37+3w
25 March: Olivia,7lb 2oz, second baby for TheMaskedPoster, @ 38+4w
?? March: Pablo, 7lb 14oz, baby for Vacaloca, @
30 March: A baby girl, 8lb 15oz for PortandLemon, @39+3w

Babies still baking:

30 March: Peachy, 34, from Caerleon, S/Wales, expecting a boy. This is her fourth baby (already has 3 DSs (8, 7, 4.5)).
01 April: siameez, expecting a boy.
01 April: ThePFJ, 30, from Nr. Chesterfield, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
02 April: Redmonster, 29. This is her first baby.
02 April: Sheds75, from Cheshire, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
02 April: V1KK1M, from Hertfordshire, expecting a surprise. This is her first baby.
03 April: NoMoreHighHeels.
03 April: Sal22, 30, from London, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
04 April: CeylonSapphire, from Twickenham. This is her first baby.
04 April: lorisparkle, 33, from Cotswolds. This is her second baby (already has 1 DS (15 months)).
05 April: bunnyrabbit. This is her second baby (already has 1 DS (4.5)).
06 April: micegg.
06 April: paranoidmummy, 25, expecting a surprise.
07 April: Fleecy, 30, expecting a surprise. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (14 months)).
07 April: Piccalilli2, 32, from Sheffield, expecting a girl. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (2)).
08 April: Denny185, 33, expecting a girl. This is her third baby (already has 1 DD (5) and 1 DS (14 months)).
08 April: Elfsmummy, expecting a surprise.
08 April: Rainbowdays, expecting a boy. This is her third baby, (already has ds 4 and dd 3). Baby expected to arrive in March.
09 April: egyptianprincess. This is her first baby.
09 April: mummyofaprincess, 21. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (2)).
09 April: siikibam, expecting a surprise. This is her first baby.
09 April: VictorianSqualor, 27, from Bicester, expecting a surprise. This is her third baby (already has 1 DD (7) and 1 DS (3)).
09 April: Bashboid, 33, living in SE London. Expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
10 April: Gangle.
10 April: MathairNua, 29.
10 April: Babywhiting, 30, expecting a girl.
11 April: scorpio1, 23, from Cornwall, expecting a girl. This is her third baby (already has 1DSS (5) and 2 DSs (5 and 2)).
12 April: Velbels, 28, expecting her first baby.
12 April: positive, 38, from N Ireland. This is her first baby. High risk baby has Down's.
13 April: Mollyfloss, 32, from Ireland but living in London, expecting a girl.
14 April: Jaq39, from Edinburgh.
14 April: SuzeM, 35, from Ireland but living in London, expecting a girl. This is her first baby.
15 April: Bainmarie, 30. This is her third baby (already has 1 DD (almost 4) and 1 DS (2)).
15 April: pad.
15 April: PippiCalzelunghe. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (2.4)).
16 April: AussieDivaonaBreak, 33, Barnes. This is her second baby. (has one DD 3.10)
17 April: EllieG, 29, from Jersey. (already has 1 DSD).
18 April: bunyanvillas, from W London. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (3)).
18 April: christmaspixie. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (nearly 3)).
19 April: dolly1, from London, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
19 April: northeastmummy, from Aberdeen. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (20 months)).
19 April: AttillaTheHan, from Preston. This is her second baby. Has ds 3 1/2.
19 April: soph28, 30. This is her third baby. (DS nearly 3, DD 19 mnths)
20 April: Ayomi. This is her first baby.
20 April: mumzyof2, 21.
20 April: munchkinmum. This is her second baby.
20 April: Toastaddict, 31, from Nottingham. This is her first baby.
21 April: Annieroo. This is her first baby.
21 April: littlemissturquoise.
22 April: BabyBratt, 30, from Manchester. This is her first baby.
22 April: rdk, from Manchester. This is her second baby.
22 April: Soph73, 34, from Gran Canaria. This is her second baby (already has 1 DS (5)).
23 April: Carey87, 20, from Orpington, Kent. This is her first baby.
25 April: loisstella, 33.
25 April: scampmum, 29. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (18 months)).
25 April: moominsmummy, 1 DS already.
26 April: TLSM, 29, from Surrey, expecting a boy. This is her second baby (already has 1 DS (3). Next scan 14th March
26 April: eva07, 29, now from Cardiff, expecting a surprise. This is her first baby.
26 April: Sagitta, 34, from Suffolk, expecting a surprise. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (21 months)).
26 April: meandbump, 21, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
27 April: ShellySara, 30.
27 April: Lennsuey. This is her first baby.
27 April: jenniejennie, expecting a boy. This is her first baby.
28 April: Beeper. This is her second baby (already has 1 DS (8.5)).
28 April: honeybee10. This is her third baby.
28 April: Woollymummy. This is her second baby (already has 1 DD (17 months)).
29 April: Mum2b2babyRoo, 32, expecting a surprise. This is her first baby.
30 April: chipmonkey, 38. This is her fourth baby (already has 3 DSs).

Oh wow!! One of my best friends has that name PAL. I think its such a very very beautiful name!!!

Thats wonderful!!!

xxx

PFJ - go for long hilly walk - worked a treat with DS just worked with my friends LO - swept thurs, walk fri then baby sat.

Feeling left out can someone email me name
corinna.dennison@hotmail.co.uk

Theres been no word from sheds over the last few days since leakage.....

emailed you!

Will do Denny! Thanks for the advice

how are you doing scorpio? any twinges or pains?

is gas and air really that good pfj?

Cx

have just been crampy last night and this morning, then again this afternoon. I think i will be this weekend some time

Gas and Air makes you feel like you are drunk, so you feel pain that way iyswim. You start it at the beginning of each contraction to the peak, then stop. it wears off immediately.

Thanks scorpio, great name PAL.

Good luck PFJ - no one would ever forget b-day if it came on the 1st would they.

Gas and air got me high as kite, it was fab, I just breathed it solidly for 10 hours though not at the start of each contraction. I sounded somewhat like darth vader and had very sore teeth fro 2 days from biting the mouth piece

lol Denny

it does make your mouth very dry though.

I don't care how good it is or isnt I suppose Carey, just get me to the experts, my own private labour room (Chesterfield hospital are great - especially to first time mums), and the DRUGS!!!!

I am going to try and avoid pethadine if I can, because it can cross over to baby, but if MW says I ought to/situation calls for it then I will at the time.

Apparently gas and air doesnt really take away the pain it just makes you care alot less that it hurts, so you can deal with it alot better. Plus the extra oxygen makes you feel really super.

I have said in my birth plan that I'll ask for an epidural or the birth pool if I want it at the time.

I have 3 giant bags of mini eggs in hospital bag. Do you think thats enough??

ooo! it all sounds good!

rite then, I'm now going to finally pack my hospital bag. Is there anything that you would sujjest that they dont usually?

From mumsnet wisdom I would say Bendy straw, lipsyl, hankerchiefs, face water spray, nipple cream, lots and lots of big knickers (I have been though 3 already today alone from bleeding), cd's, camera, vicks inhaler, a few button up tops/nighties, your nursing bra, your maternity notes, list of phone numbers, vaseline for babys bottom to stop the first poo sticking like buggery, food/drinks and snacks, and a machine that goes BING.

Just kidding about that last one.
xxx

Oh and paracetamol/ibuprofen for birth partner. And your mobile.
Things that keep you sane really.

Was too away with the fairies to notice any dryness in mouth, DH said i kind of growled at anyone who tried to take it off me

Hehe Denny.. I can't wait to see what sort of woman I turn into while in full labour.

Forgot the bendy straw and really wished I had one (no time before birth, but just after).

Wow.. love your facebook pics PAL. Thank you so very very very much for 'befriending' me there

xxx

Have just spent four hours at the hospital for a growth scan with 2 exteremely bored kids. The growth has been fine all the way along till this scan. (Have to have scans cos I have epilepsy and the meds I take can affect growth). It seemed like a difficult scan to take as LO was breakdancing most of the time so am trying not to worry. I've got to go back for CTG monitoring twice next week and then another scan the week after, am 36+2 weeks but both others born at 38 weeks so now worried that this babe will be tiny. Anyone any experience of how accurate growth scans are? Estimated weight at the mo is around 4lb 10.

i have had 2 growth scans, one with each previous dc.

DS1 - estimate 7lb - actual 6lb 11oz

ds2 - estimate 8lb - actual 8lb 1oz

Very close with mine! they will put on about half lb a week from now, so even if you do go 2 more weeks and thats it then you will have a near 6lb baby, which is small, but OK.

thanks for that, makes me feel a bit better

Very accurate with both of mine. DS they had on centile that projected around ten and a half pounds full term and he was 10 lb 5.3 oz; DD they had on centile somewhere around eight and a half to nine pounds and she was 8 lb 15 oz. Neither of them breakdancing, though, so easier to measure.

P&L - how do you do it???? You had a baby yesterday and you're MNing more than I am!!

Certainly gives me hope about this "caring for a new baby" lark They tell you you have no time anymore......

Thats because she is Supermum!!
Moomin is still Wonderwoman.
And I... er.. am.. er.. Ocelotgirl.

I am she-ra

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She-Ra

Hehehehehe.

Have perfected art of typing one-handed while breastfeeding from days with DS. Valuable life skill...

Also, she sleeps. During the day, admittedly, while night time is for partying, but we'll work on that bit...

I actually have a copy of the He-man/She-ra Secret of the Sword Movie. How lame am I?

prob a collectors item now!

I still haven't had an inkling of this nesting instinct I hear so much about. Think my body has said "no, you're knackered, you do not have the energy to do housework that you would never normally do, have a nap instead"!

Fortunately, DH has had a bit of a spring cleaning spurt, so house isn't looking too bad.

But I am going to have a snooze now or I'll be Little Miss Grumpy when he comes home! Or rather, HUGE Miss Grumpy

fav character used to be ram man, however if on nostalgic cartoon characters cant beat batfink surely

Hope so Scorpio. Thats of course the only reason I hang on to all my lamest of movies and cult items. Of course its not to play with them. Nonono. Cough.

I am still waiting for the nesting instinct to kick in too! Somehow I think its not going to happen and I'll just have to keep on saying 'ignore the mess' as usual!!

Yay Batfink!!
Oh don't get me STARTED on old kids cult stuff. Seriously.. I WILL talk your head off. RUN AWAY NOW!!

Wonderwoman, She-Ra, Batfink, erm, Ocelotgirl..... guess this must be me!!
Especially with all the yawning

BTW Scorpio.. If you are in Cornwall.. I actually HAVE Gus honeybun's autograph. I try to tell people about his magic mushroom and they don't believe me.

xxx

Awwww... Bagpuss!!!!

OMG bagpuss, dd used to have this massively irritating mouse that used to sing 'we will bind it ....' unfortunatley it met its maker in the great bin when she was diagnosed with asthma and told to get rid of all soft toys

Now jamie and the magic torch - massive memories of having chicken pox and being allowed a bed on the sofa eating buttery boiled eggs (with a runny yolk!!)

*Good luck PFJ!!!*

Well, since seeing Molly's room I've been away doing things for baby and have missed loads. Feeling a lot better about things now though .

Could someone email me with names of people to make friends with on Facebook? I've found Ellie and Knitter but I'm struggling with everyone else. I'm desperate to see PAL's photos!!

When I was a very very little girl I remember Chorlton and the Wheelies and Moschops seemed strange to me but I loved them. I used to love watching the mice on Bagpuss singing 'We will clean it we will polish it....' Choc-a-Bloc, Bric-a-Brac and Cosmo and Dibbs were other early ones for me too if I recall. That and Let's Pretend with the weird green catapillar.
I remember Jamie and the Magic Torch so well too.
Argh. You got me started!!!

They were on something v funny when they made chorton and the wheelies! What about button moon and Mr Ben - they only made 12 of those apparently - Im sure ive seen at least 100 different ones though

northeastmummy PAL found me using my email address thepfj@hotmail.com. If you do find me I will happily try to forward you PAL's facebook details. I am not very good with facebook though, so I'll do my best.

Oh - I forgot to include my email address - fiona-thomson@tiscali.co.uk

I feel like that about Mr Ben Denny. There were hardly any made, but I feel like it went on for years!

Does anyone remember Bod? I saw an episode recently and it's as good as ever .

Button moon..... -nostalgic sigh-

-goes to find an old domestos bottle to saw in half-

Found you PFJ!

Yay! Have sent you a message. Should help you get those pics!

Right I am off to go jump up and down and try to get this labour moving!!
xxx

You know PFJ, you doa ctually get as and air at home OL, 4 cannisters lurking behind sofa right now.....

Grwoth scans tend to be accurate to within a pound I think, they picked up ds1's size.

Honeybee they thought this one was small a few weeks ago then changed their minds, don't know if you know what gender you are having but I have a premmie babies size new boys babygro that i bought then they changed their minds about his size so happy to pop in post if you want? really cute and soft. This one will be aged 4 and 3.2 stone by the time it's born anyway LOL

Hiya All..... just back from the hospital, been monitored today due to leakages over the weekend. Nothing happening though , just got to keep on waiting. Congrats to the new arrivals.

Ahh button moon, one of my favourites along with the flumps

am getting soooooooo bored now, but have no energy to do anything

labour bag- soft loo paper! Local hospital has the scratchy type, just what you need post birth

hair bands if you have long hair

Awwwwwww - the Flumps!!!!

My favourite flump was the little white one, sooooo cute

do do, do do, do do do do - for those of u who cant read music its the flumps theme tune

Sheds sorry no LO but glad your ok, cant be too much longer now

sounds good Denny.

Pootle!!!!!

Pootle........ the name I couldn't remember, sooooooooooooo sweet

ah, nostalgia, that's making me feel better about being in my THIRTIES.

Congrats PAL! Brilliant news.

Go go PFJ.

I am 36+3 and suddenly super-exhausted all the time. And yes, Scorpio, as you might have guessed from our sometime Saturday night MNing I too feel like a very fat babysitter some of the time! DH had his last night out on Saturday, though (kept going after MY birthday lunch whilst I came home with DD ) so we are officially babysitting together from now on.

I can't believe I am still growing but I definitely am. Oh, and Molly, I've had a few of those 'ooh yes I can see it on your face now' comments too - what is it about pregnancy that inspires people to reach previously undreamt-of heights of candour??

I had the WORST sciatica on Sat night. Literally felt like someone was delving around in my left buttock with a hot poker. At least it took my mind off the SPD [hollow laugh emoticon].

Off to get DD from her last full day at nursery!

Love to all and big kisses to our lovely babies.

Sagitta - congrats on getting DH back!

Flumps!!!

-goes back to trying to get baby to start coming out-

Good luck PFJ - I had to have two sweeps in three days to get my DD to emerge, one on the Wednesday, the second on the Friday and she was born on the Sunday morning, 13 days late! Obviously way too comfy. Pleeease let this one come early! We can't ask for a sweep here until 41 weeks, although perhaps I could pass my midwife a Kitkat and a bottle of Baileys under the coffee table with a nudge and a?

Gas and Air lowers your voice - totally makes you sound like a drunk drag queen!

LOL Aussie!! I am going to sound so glamourous!!

Ugh, I look a mess.
I've absolutely gutted both DC's rooms, all their toy boxes and clothes etc and now want more things to do so I'm going to clean behind the freezer

Laziness has struck elsewhere though as I've told DP to go and get some chips

BTW Pethidene I had with DD, I hated every second of it, I was hallucinating thinking the wall was going to get me, I even saw a xmas tree in my room so if you do take it be aware you may not like it.

Have another guess the tune - la la lalalala la la la laaaaa.

Will be going into labour tonight as have just changed bed linen so waters will break

Believe me, it will be good to have some glamour!! I will be thinking of you...and April the 1st sounds like a lovely birthday. V. springlike!

Although I must confess something...I am having a little issue with the whole April star sign thing. Unless I go way overdue I am going to have a little Aries on my hands (as most of us are) and both me and DH are Capricorns. This isn't good, right? (imagines serious locking of horns and major flinging of pureed pear in four months time...sigh.)

VS sounds like my sunday, the toys r now all over the back room again, today was ironing - think i washed everything in sight over the weekend - washing last 2 rugs, packed DCs bags to stay at mums. Weve also managed 1 1/2 walk and 1 hour in the park.

Ha, yeah I've got my washing schedule planned
The kids beds and stuff are done, got mine to do tmorrow and maybe some curtains...
Also think I might paint DS's room tomorrow, he has these stickers on his wall but has ripped loads off so the paint has come off too and it's annoying me!

Denny, I have been sleeping on one of my DD's Pampers Dry Nites for the past two weeks and last night I got so fed up with it crinkling under me I threw it off. Sod's law your water's will go once you've made your bed all lovely and nice. I'll change my sheets tonight too!!!!

VS i felt the same way with Gas and Air, made me feel really sick and I had visions of me as a teenager smoking a bad joint and unable to get my head of my best friend's bathroom floor...although seeing a Xmas tree in your room sounds pretty funny! But for God's sake, will you stop? Cleaning behind the freezer?? Feet up NOW woman! Here - have a vodka and tonic with extra lemon.

yay pureed pear fights! Afraid I am no help on the zodiac Aussie. I can do numbers and tarot though.

Denny I have tried that 'name that tune' in my head a few different ways and I can't seem to get it. So now I am forced to demand you tell me what it is before I kill you.

-you could never guess these things drive me nuts could you-

VS I have heard loads of horror stories about Pethadine.. I know its not like that for everyone but I'd rather not risk it TBH unless I really really have to. So I agree with you there.

I loved pethidine... sigh... the only drawback to going into hospital late and everything moving quickly this time was that I didn't get to have any. I told DH he wasn't talking me into having DC3 just for the drugs, though!

I have a deep voice anyway so DH finds it very funny talking to me when I'm on gas and air.

I couldnt leave you in suspense tempting as it was .............


the smurfs

Argh!!!!
Very good

My mum was an Aries, I'm a capricorn, we actually got on ok when she remembered she was a mum so hopefully that means aries and capricorn dont clash too much!
I'll have a look at specific parent/child relationships for you later in my books though and let you know what it says, if you're lucky there will be a good moon sign to calm the fire a bit!

I hope a pisces and an aries baby get on ok. I am told it should be ok though.
DP is a scorpio so things should get interesting.

One of my fears about having the baby early is that it will be an Aries! My mom, dad and sister are Aries and I didn't get on with any of them growing up! I still don't really so I am keeping my legs closed until the due date to ensure it is a Taurus! I'm a Leo btw and DH is a Capricorn (he gets on with EVERYONE though!)

Thanks for that VS, would love to know what you think..perhaps I should get my chart done? I've never felt like a die hard Capricorn to be fair, so maybe I have some air or something in my chart.

Eek M2BR, good luck keeping it in there till the time is right! I feel the same way about Aries, I just don't seem to get on with them. But I'm hardly going to care really when the day arrives am I

Right then ladies, I need advice.

I keep having panic attacks and getting very very stressed out.

One day I am absolutely fine and happy, the next im in tears in a state.

As I have said before my mum is a manic depressive and hasnt been to see me since I got pregnant. I know that has stressed me out a lot. Also seem to have fallen out with quite a few of my friends who have said I have changed since I got pregnant. They are friends who are quite selfish and bossy and take drugs and stuff when they go out, so I guess they havent appreciated me sayin g exactly what I think when normally I would keep quiet. Not all my friends have fallen out with me, I guess they are just nicer people.

DH and I get on so well most days, then when I am at my worst we have massive rows about nothing. He has said that I am difficult to be around and angry all the time and have changed and am hormonal..... grrrrrr.......

I thought people were supposed to make allowances for pregnant people but the people closest to me seem to be telling me I am horrible.

Told midwife I was stressed, she ignored it. Told doctor and they have refered me to a phychiatrist who I see on Thursday. That has made me feel properly mad.

I think I have worried so much about getting PND like my mum had, that I have made myself depressed worrying so much. It also seems like I am the only person feeling like this. Everyone else seems really happy and excited. Im excited about the baby but not at all excited about day to day life at the moment. Im so up one minute then down the next, its really confusing.

Aussiediva, what's your DOB and time/place of birth?
If you want to email me it so it's not quite so broadcasted you can do
fan-fkn-tastic at hotmail dot co dot uk
I dont have the time or patience to do a full chart but I can do you a basic one including your other main planets.

The panic attacks could be purely hormonal (have had a few myself) and exaccerbated by pressure on the lungs.... I woulnd't worry too mucha bout PND until after the baby arrives, you can't possibly know where your hormones will end up yet. <<hugs>> though.

I have just ahd a local political p[arty on the phone asking me to stand in the elections ina few weeks , has everyone else given up on this baby coming so much they're looking for a career for me or what? And Dh has gone from not hearing from work colleagues outside work for years at a time to three calls a week with subtle reasons he ahs to be in that evening... 'of just thought i'd phone you to say my wife hurt her wrist'

Excuse the lack of empathy but why on earth shuld I give a damn????? I can hardly say 'well my waters broke earlier (if they ever do) but that's OK, i'll labour alone and amke sure Dh comes in, I can cope with 2 disbaled kids, one otehr and being in labour as longa s your wife has back to back cups of tea,

can you tell I am feeling very hormonal this evening? pmsl

*three calls a day

jennie, try not to worry that is probably what is making you worse!
Hormones do make us feel shite, I get just as many lows as you I'm sure and have had PND, severely, the best thing is to just get checked over and if you're at riskof it, get on some tablets or something. PND is only really awful when not picked up.
Also keep talking, here, to your pysch, whoever, just feels better to get it all out sometimes
xxx

Thanks VS and Peachy. I think it just gets me down that so many people keep telling me I have changed and am not nice to be around. DH said our house was "abject misery" today, whatever that means.

tell him he should try beinga round me at the moment- I can assure you I would be making him grateful - I have driven my DH to lego marathons in a desperate attempt to escape!

And whilst you are worried about it, I don't care one jot. he put it in, he gets the fall out

I wish I could be like that. Normally I can cope with anything. But now, when we argue, I sit there and im not actually crying cos im holding it all in, but tears still start rolling down my face. Its so wierd.

I keep telling him its normal for a lot of women but he keeps saying that I dont understand how hard it is for him....... bstrd!

jennie - i think its normal for pregnancy to feel more emotional than normal, maybe not coping with things as u would normally as well as rying to deal with the physical difficulties of being this far pregnant. If only men could try it for a few days they would be a lot more empathetic to what your going through.

Also second what peachy said you cant tell what will happen after LO arrives, dosent automatically mean you will suffer as mum did, but you are in a much stronger position than others as you will be more aware of symptoms and can get sorted quickly IF it does happen. RL friend of mine is only just being treated for PND and her DS is 2 years old, if its any help the pysch nurse who visits once a week has probably helped more than anything else so dont feel bad about being referred to pyschiatry dept.

Hugs for you Jennie - I am so sorry you are feeling like this.

Thank u

The midwife is coming to my house tomorrow to go thru the birth plan for an hour rather than the normal 15 minutes in the portocabin. She just rang to say she is bringing the health visitor with her. That either means she is very worried about me or thinks DH is beating me up Not sure how I feel about health visitor coming round too.

Peachy thanks for the offer of the premmie size sleepsuit but we don't know if LO is DS or DD. Jennie- sending hugs thinking of you

Hello all - am finally into my last week at work - back was killing me today after full day sat at pc so think it's time to stop work

PFJ - glad your mum finally made it - good luck with all the "happenings"

jenjen - don't worry unduly about health visitor coming - the best thing you can do is acknowledge PND may be an issue for you (which you have already done) and ask the right people for help - if you don't need it then great - but it's there if you do. If you had a broken leg you wouldn't hesitate to ask for help. And you'd be surprised how many other people have been there before
(as for your DP tell him to shut up whinging )

I am v annoyed as I got all excited cos figleaves do underwired nursing bras - but they don't do them in my size - so another 6 months of droopy boobs coming up.....

Big hugs jenjen. There are others on here who are giving you much better advice than I ever can but just wanted to say I'm feeling for you.

It sounds like you're doing all the right things though. I'd imagine that recognising it could be a problem for you and speaking about it can only be a good thing.

Jennie, sending you big hugs...my mother is very similar and please be reassured that we are all going through massive hormonal changes, it's just that our circumstances are all different and so our stress manifests in different ways. It is impossible for our partners to understand fully what we are going through no matter how understanding they are - I have had many nights just sobbing because I feel so unlike myself and often very misunderstood. Now is the time you really, deep down, want your mum around to put an arm around you and tell you it will be alright. If you don't have that it really can make you feel very alone. You are much stronger than you think, and you've done the hardest part which is be self-aware enough to know how you are feeling. Stay strong hun.

Also, if your friends are telling you youve changed, remember that sometimes this is not a bad thing. Having a baby does change you we leave behind part of our old selves. If your friends feel threatened by you "moving on" let them - it's the new ones you make that will mean more to you in the end.

VS - you are such a star to offer! I'll email you my details and if you realy can be bothered then I'll be so chuffed

I am straight on to Figleaves now to see if my size is there - but judging from last time the day my milk came in my boobs had their own postcode.

LOL aussie - I am totally different size this time - last time I was a 36K never even knew it was possible to have boobs that big!

this time my nursing bra size is 32H - probably the difference made by putting on 4 stone first time and only a stone this time

Can you belive they have a nursing bra called "Hot Milk" ?!!

Thanks aussie and everyone for the hugs. Am defo missing having a mum around to help me. I texted her and told her and she said I was being silly. Normally I cope with her manic depression ok but at the moment its making me anxious.

Just going to watch Poppy Shakespeare on C4, the Times says dont watch it if you are feeling depressed - hell.

LOL at the nursing bra issues. I have no idea what size I will be so just bought one a bit bigger than the one i have now, which incidentally is too small. Does your rib cage get smaller once baby is born? I couldnt be bothered to get measured properly, probably regret that.....

I'm thinking I should get measured again, haven't put on as much weight this time. But you can always get measured and buy one when your milk settles in rather than guessing now.

I love hot milk undies, best nursig bras EVER!
jennie, dp is watching road wars (its the police force he is hoping to join) so I have to watch it on CH4+1 but really want to see it, am hoping its as good as girl,interrupted!

Aussiediva, I'm taki