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i was beginning to wonder if there were any of us!
I had ds1 at 40 and am now due feb08 when I will be 44- and so far will be the oldest.
What do you reckon the pros and cons are?
I'm 44...and expect DC6 in october ! No disadvantages except the health related ones,ie; increased risk of mc/birth abnormalities...once you've weathered that, it's plain sailing !!
Main disadvantage for me is that my parents are now dead and DHs parents are quite elderly - I feel my DC will miss out on this. On the positive side we're more financially stable. I also think I'm lucky that where I live new mums in their 40s are two a penny so I don't feel that old or unusual, and no-ones ever asked me yet if I'm DD's granny!
so mzzhe is the oldest so far!
I think the worry about m/c and scans is the hardest, and people are too polite to remark about your lovely grandchildren, although we shouldnt be offended we are old enough to be grandmas!
I do worry about having stoppy teenagers when 60 tho' - just glad they say 60 is the new 40. Maybe we are the reason!!
I do, teejay, occasionally worry about the age gap, having a teenager in my late 50's, etc., but then I always manage to settle on a more positive slant. It will force all of us to keep younger for longer!
Later babies definately keep you younger IMO. There will be a 19 year gap between my DC1 and DC3. The main difference I've noticed is that I find the tiredness more difficult to cope with.
Caroline - so you had two with husband no 1 and two with husband no 2?
I'm nearly 41 trying for baby no 2 with my partner, who already has two sons from his first marriage. I had a miscarriage earlier this year after getting pregnant straight after coming off the pill... and since, nothing... and my partner is going a bit cold on the second baby lark, says four is too many and too restrictive... What do you think? How does 2+2 seem to you?
Anna8888 - sorry to hear about your m/c. Yes two from previous husband, 15 and 11 and then daughter (18 months) and a new baby (boy!) due in a few weeks. I do not see it as 2 plus 2 (or currently 2 plus 1) I suspect because we all live together as one big family. Do your partner's children live with his ex wife? It works well here, but partner is very very good and attentive with older sons and baby daughter gets masses of attention from everyone. I feel very lucky.
Caroline - my stepsons are 12 and nearly 10, my daughter is 2.7. My stepsons spend about half the time with us over the year, but less in term time and more in the holidays. All the children adore one another. My partner is a very attentive father to all his children and we work quite hard at making sure they are all getting lots of opportunities, attention etc. He's a bit worried that he'll be spreading himself too thinly if we have another baby - he's not worried about our daughter and any other child of ours, but much more about his sons, whose mother is not very attentive... and sometimes downright neglectful.
I'm really pleased to see so many of us oldies-
stats are
teejay 44 -ds 3yrs 10mths, due in feb 08
first at forty 41 - 1yr old
diplodocus 42 -1yr old and due oct 07
madness 42 3 kids
purple pants 40 2 kids due nov 07
sazzybee 42 new baby
RGPargy 39 due 07
mozhe 44 due Nov 07
avaitrix 45 new baby?
unicorn 43 due 08
desiderata 39 new baby
caroline1852 43, ds 15, ds11,dd 18mths due June 07
anna888 41 ss 12, ss10, dd 2.7 one child due
horace 40 ds 4 dd 2 due oct 07
12 plus two honorary 40's at 39.
apologies if I got any wrong
Who said anything about dropping fertility after 40!
I've just found out that the nuchal scan costs 180 quid this time round - 4 years ago I only paid 90!
Anna8888 - Well it's very good that they all get on so well and I'm sure it helps that they spend lots of time with you as one family. A lot of children resent their father's new life, their new partner/wife, and their new children and sometimes it is easy to see why. I understand your partner's point about the spreading too thin thing, but that is true with any subsequent child is it not? I think the spreading too thin argument is more than compensated for by the enjoyment they get from one another both as little ones and later in life. I have three sisters and we always thought people from neat little families were funny specimens. I am convinced coming from a big family helps you hone your social skills - you learn the art of conversation very quickly, you learn to speak up for yourself, you learn that you don't always come first (or even second necessarily), you understand familial relationships better, you are probably more accomodating, you learn to do things for the common good (essential later on when you marry/cohabit) etc etc. Also your partner has three children and you only have one (although I am sure you love your stepsons enormously). I was very conscious of this (my partner has no previous children) fact in my decision to have another child. Having said all this, I will be glad to no longer be pregnant in a few weeks time!
Anna8888 - I hope you don't mind me asking you this, ignore if it is invasive. Why are you and your partner not married? Is it something you have not got round to or a conscious decision from one or other of you or both of you that you don't want to get married?
Caroline - also inheritance issues. All very complicated and totally different from the UK - much more legislation on what you can and can't do, who can inherit from whom etc.
It's a bit hard to imagine when you are English just what a raw deal marriage is for women in France. My mother still can't get her head around it, though my sister has been married to a Frenchman for over 10 years (married in England and don't live in France so no tax issues though inheritance applies) and I have lived in France for 15 years and we have done lots of setting up of trusts and things to keep my money in the UK. Awful.
I think it's terrible that it should be that way. Sarkozy did mention in his pre-election debate with Ségolène that he would remove some of the inheritance tax injustices towards women, but there is still a long way to go.
With a good tax lawyer, you can though get around all the forced heirship issues. Just a case of making sure that you have all the right paperwork and wills that do not accidentally revoke each other.
I believe Segolene's anti marriage stance was more to do with the fact that she believed marriage as an isntitution let her mother down rather than the tax issues per se.
Also if most of your money is kept in UK you are not benefitting from being able to pass each other one another's assets in the UK free of inheritance tax and capital gains tax. Most of the benefits of holding assets in trust have been removed by virtue of the Finance Act 2006 (the introduction of pre-owned asset tax, annual tax for trusts etc).
Not, unfortunately, as easy to do with (1) second marriages where there are children from a first marriage (2) international marriages. And that's only inheritance... the other very big issue is income tax, and the fact that second earners (ie me) in a marriage are taxed at the first earner's marginal rate. Which effectively means women have a higher income tax burden than men, when they are already disadvantaged in the work place. Grrr.
In France, under most marriage contracts, married couples pay inheritance tax when one half dies. You can't pass, say, your main property tax free between one another - you pay inheritance tax on the share you inherit as surviving spouse, and your children pay inheritance tax on the share they inherit.
Lots of old French ladies end up pretty destitute and reliant on their children's goodwill. Far better to make sole provision in the UK.
Teejaym - Good luck with the nuchal scan. When/where are you going for it?
Pros of mature motherhood: better financial position, more relaxed generally, a clearer view of what is important in life, less obsessed by self
Cons: pregnancy a bigger toll on the older body, might not come first in the mums' race!
Hi Teejay, congratulations! I had DS at 39 and had DD last July when I was 44 and 10 months. I was kind of expecting my hospital folder to have some kind of special 'elderly mother' stamp on it, but nobody batted an eyelid. Maybe it's because I'm so immature, nobody assumes I'm over 40.
One thing I would mention. I didn't opt for CVS or amnio testing at the 13-wk stage, as I was reassured by my Fetal Medicine consultant that the measurement was fine and that at 44, the statistics are always going to give a high-sounding risk of there being a problem. But at 20 weeks, the routine scan revealed some symptoms which were benign in themselves, but could mean that DD had Edwards syndrome. This is a chromosone condition which is always fatal for the baby, so I felt I had no option but to have amnio. At that stage it was far more traumatic than to have undergone the procedure at 13 weeks. DD's amnio was fine, but waiting for the results was the scariest ever. Then they found something else...but that's another story!
I'm expecting another girl in October. I'm 41. I had a CVS this time round as the nuchal scan showed a higher risk (1:200). This is lower than that expected due to age alone, but higher than the usual 1:250 at which hospitals offer the CVS/amnio. (We are carriers of a genetic mutation which leads to deafness in 1:4 of our children, but did not want to know if this baby will be deaf as we feel this is something we can cope with.)
Hello, I WANT to be ttc for my third, my partner's 2nd but he too stressed about finance and property just now.. which makes me stressed as the clock is ticking louder and louder!
My ds is 13.9 and recently came back to live with me and dd is just 2. They ADORE each other but I want her to have a sibling to grow up with and I want a HWBAC to boot!
I just wanted to include myself here, I am only 39 now but will be 40 when #3 arrives due march 08 (expecting it early so feb probrably!) Already have ds age 3 and dd age 2.
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I'm 42 and expecting in January. Had nuchal which seemed okay -- risk levels of a 29 year old for Downs. I don't know about the other chromosonal problems. Anyway, although I expected some invasive testing I have not been recommended it. I'm relieved about that. My spouse has two children in their twenties, and the one expected is my first. My step-children are very supportive and I'm extremely fond of them both. Neither lives at home, which gives us a bit more space. Late motherhood has been common amongst my friends and acquaintances though I didn't think I'd have to wait till I was 42!
I'm 41 and expecting my first in Nov 07 following 2 miscarriages last year, I had a high risk for downs too, 1 in 29, I decided not to go for any invasive testing and just let nature take it's course, I had no soft makers at my 20 week scan so at the moment everything is looking good. I know I'm having a boy and my DP also has 2 children from a previous relationship, they do not live with us either.
Hello! Newbie here Just registered with Mumsnet a few days ago and today got my ++++!
I'm 43 and will be just turned 44 when (if) this pregnancy sticks and it's just as scary as it was with my first pregnancy at 32 - I do believe the tests and scans available now are different to 10 years ago so I'll have to learn!
Maybe someone can fill me in...??
I want to celebrate with some red wine but now I'm scared that even Co-enzyme Q10 will affect this baby! I know I'm going to be saying: can I eat this, that and the other?!
Welcome Wendyredhead. Delighted to hear your news and good luck.
I'm not really au fait with using the message boards and I feel stupid using acronyms! But I do see the point of remaning anonymous and not putting family names down etc.
All the books about pregnancy and what can go wrong give me the heebiegeebies. I rather rely on friends and the midwife to tell me what I need to do and try to enjoy my pregnancy without worrying too much. The other day I read about all the things you need to take to hospital with you for the birth from Mumsnet and I found that helpful -- even though it's a long way ahead!
I'm going to take your advice and just enjoy my pregnancy.
There's a website I found called mothersover40 which looked great - had a personal endorsement by none other than Cheri Blair! Now I'm pregant I'll read some of the gory bits!
Muckers: excuse my ignorance but what is a "soft maker"?
Not sure of some of the acronyms also! I'm sure I'll figure them out eventually.
I've only just got my +++ so I'll find out soon but in the meantime if anyone can tell me what tests are offered these days and at what stages for us prehistoric baby carriers?
I am 21 weeks and was 40 yesterday (I also have dd 3.8)
I did not opt for any screening and was relieved when told everything looking ok at scan on Monday.
I am having a boy and am ok but do feel tired but I have SPD (pelvic pain) and am still working full time so its not helping.
When I was at hosp i npticed that there was a lot of older mums so we are not alone!
I had my first at 42 (2.7yo) and 2nd at 43! (14m). I have accepted now that the jelly belly will never go as my skin just isn't as elastic as it was a few years ago.
I am 45 on Monday and today after a bad night up with teething baby was mistaken for their grandmother
Both times I got really pissed out by people who hardly knew me saying 'and you're having all the tests are you?'. As if they think that you just have the tests for something interesting to do.
We had nuchal both times, I'd decided against amnio with ds1 so mw told me about private nuchal.
Goodness this has given me some hope! I have sadly , had a missed miscarriage nearly 6 weeks ago at 12 weeks. I am 43 and desperately want to try again. My partner is quite a few years younger than me and this will be our first child together if we manage it.
Good luck to you all and thanks for the encouragement.
Sorry to bounce in here. I'd like some help. I've just been away for the weekend and had a letter through the post which tells me I am high-risk for Downs Syndrome. I had a triple test at 15+ weeks which suggested this. Apparently the risk is 1 in 75 and I have been called in with my partner for a talk tomorrow. I gather that an amnio is the likely outcome. Does anyone know anything about them? I was trying to avoid invasive screening. (By the way I am a 42 year-old first-timer.) Any advice would be much appreciated.
HI all -- I maybe belong on here, I will be 40 when I'm due to have a baby next Feb.
Molly65 You should get counselled about what your test result means, and what the procedure involves. Most people would say that there's not much point in having an amnio unless you think you might want to terminate. The risk of amnio causing a miscarriage is about 1:100 -- less than your risk of a baby with Downs.
If you see having a baby with Downs and having an amnio cause miscarriage as equally bad things, then it makes logical sense to go for the amnio (the lower risk option). That's why they suggest it as a possibility.
But you might see the outcome of miscarriage as much worse than having a Downs baby. There's no easy way forward here, just think about what matters most to you. Nobody can tell you what priorities you should have.
Thanks for the message lljkk. I feel much stronger for my appointment to discuss things tomorrow. I chatted with a friend who had discussions after a nuchal scan and I now realize what some of my options are and feel armed and ready to meet the medical profession!
lljkk - I would like to thank you in helping me come to my decision on whether or not to have an amnio because your comment to Molly65 re the stats was excellent and I'd not thought of it in that way before. So my risk of a m/c is lower than the risk of a Downs baby. So I'm going to have one and save my money as the nuchal where I live is £125 or £220 with the blood aswell. I can't get it on the NHS.
I thought i would say hi too as i have been on a few threads. I am 43, unfortunately had a m/c 8 weeks ago and am still optimistic that we can try again. I have 7 children from my previous marriage and the last pg was def unexpected but such a delightful surprise. My partner is a good few years younger than me and was SO happy at the thought of a baby together after all so though we can never replace our little one, actively ttc is helping. good to meet you all
I got counselled locally and eventually told that I shouldn't have had the triple test as I had already had the nuchal one which gave a 'healthy' probability for Downs. So I decided not to have the amnio. Then I spoke to the hospital in Oxford where I get scanned and hope to have the baby and they confirmed that the consultant obstetrician wouldn't recommend any invasive tests. I think that the choice for everyone must be different. This is my first baby and probably my last so I am influenced by that fact. I have a scan on 6th Sept at 21 weeks, (rather late) so I am hoping for the best for that.
All the best to wendyredhead and chocolate peanut et al.
This board has gone a bit quiet. I thought I'd just pipe up with some news. I have been cleaning the house from top to bottom because someone who is a post-natal doula is coming over tomorrow to meet me. (It needed a good clean!) I seemed to have avoided the experience of helping friends and sister with their babies so I'm keen to have someone knowledgeable with me for the first month. Also, I might be able to have some sleep while she is watching the baby.
I didn't think I was going to be able to conceive and got a chocolate labrador puppy in March this year. He has just turned into a teenager and thinks he is the bees knees. Yesterday at dog school he got a terrible telling-off from the teacher! (Should be my job!) Anyway, I conceived a few weeks after collecting him. So things might be quite busy in January when I'm supposed to pop.
Hello every one, I had my first baby 2 months before I was 35 I will be having my 5th Baby when I am 43. I have had one blighted ovum that was picked up at booking in scan at approx 9wks, and I had a miscarriage at 5 & 1/2 wks at the end of April this year, apart from that, no other real problems with being an older "pregnant" mum, People always comment that I'm mad, but when I did'nt have any children they used to say "don't you think it's about time you started a family!" I love being a mum and pray that this pregnancy will be ok! congrats to all who are pregnant and best wishes to all TTC.
Congratulations Caroline1852! My scan, at 21 weeks, is on Thursday in Oxford. Finally I can feel the baby move so I'm very happy about it. All the best
Hi bit late joining this htread but I turned 40 just after dd3 was born.
DDs 1 & 2 are from 1st marriage and are 20 and 18. DD3 is turning 4 in December.
I had a great pregnancy and had no qualms about being an older mum. UNderstand the grandparent thing but my FIL is only 61, my mum is 71 but very young for her age. My father and MIL both died from cancer so they would not have been around anyway.
My only setback with having a baby later in life has been how difficult it is to lose the weight this time!!!!!
We chose not to have any tests and decided we would just deal with it. Thankfully we were lucky and after an easy pregnancy and very easy birth she's making us pay for it now! What an attitude!!
Ladies, I just miscarried 3 days ago; the day before my 50th birthday. Imagine my shock when I found out I was 6 weeks pregnant. Youngest children are 18 year old twins that were conceived through ART artificial insemination using husband sperm my eggs. Divorced and no birth control for 20 years and pregnant at 50! My fiance of 4 years is 53; never married, no children. He was so happy. Now---since I know this is possible I am considering actually trying. But I feel as though I must be crazy! My periods are like clock work and I am in good health as far as I know. I was told at the hospital all the nurses were taking bets and thought I was 42 max. So--I am a young 50. However, I am concerned with all of the risk I am reading about for both baby and mother at this advanced age.
Teejay you missed me off your list! I'm 45 and have ds1 3yo (was 42) and DS2 20m (was 43).
I always come on these threads and say 'look at meeeeee! If I can then anyone can!!'
Only downside is I live in a place with high teenage pregnancies and am often mistaken for my sons' grandmother. That REALLY hurts. Especially as I look young for my age!
Thanks for replying, it's reassuring to know I'm not the only over 40 out there. I'll be 41 when it's due in mid September. I'm really nervous about the risks and al the tests that I've read about. I've got my first midwife appointment on Tuesday. Hopefully it should all become clear after that.
I'm 41 and a 1/2, just found out I am pg which makes me due in October. petrified of mc with every twinge. I'm totally Kn***ed Glad to here there are some more "mature" mumsnetters on the pg threads. Riddyha is this your 1st?
Hi Hedgepig. Yup this is my first. We'd been trying for a couple of years, but had thought that nothing was going to happen. Now it has it still doesn't seem really. Got horrible nausea especially when i'm hungry, and some smells are sooo strong they make me gag. I'm due on 17th September. Meant to be going swimming this morning (good exercise apparently) but just feel like slobbing around!
I had my 4th DS when I was almost 41. He was my healthiest pregnancy - we had a 1:180 chance of downs and I had the amneocentisis. Everything was fine but the four week wait for the results was awful,
WHERE IS TRIPLET! She has just the best older mums story.
Here I am 4 pages in. Is it ok to join you? Am not pg at mo cos am currently breastfeeding 5th child, (9mths)who I gave birth to at 40.
Will be 42 in Sept, and I am desperate for another but dh dithers between ok, yeah sure why not, to as mentioned before, too restrictive, no life as we get older etc etc
My eldest is 13, then 10, 4 and half, 3 in April, and Little Annie who will be 1 in May.
Triplets bows in............Hi Shabster, you have soon got around on here! Well most of you probably know my story by now, I was 2 months off of my 46th birthday when I had my naughty lovely trio, 2 boys and a girl. Life was much easier 10 yrs ago when they were born, we are permanently exhausted and broke, but its good!
I'm here bored of waiting and I'm only 6 weeks! it is going to be a long 9 months. I had my son at 37 and I feel so much more tired this time or maybe I don't have the luxury of snoozing everynight I get home from work.
Tiredness seems to be a common sympton. I'm really lucky in that I only work part time(supply teaching) so I can have days when I do very little. Somedays I've got loads of energy and then the next day I can feel really lethargic.
I met my midwife for the first time on Tuesday. She didn't weigh me or even take my blood pressure, she just went through the long green form and filled that in. She did speak about screening. I don't think I can bear to wait until 16 weeks to have the blood test for Downs. So we've decided to go to The Fetal Medicine Centre in London to have a nuchal scan and blood test done, during week 12. I'll feel a lot happier when that's out of the way. We have only told closest family at the moment but if everything's OK then we can tell friends then. Appparently you get the results at the consultation. So, fingers and toes crossed!!
riddyha I had a nuchal with my 1st son and that with the blood tests was very reassuring they will be able to tell you what the nuchal shows at the consultaion but I think they may have to process the bloods over a few days. Do you live in London or will it be a long trip? My friend who as 37 when she had her daughter just went straight to an amnio because she wanted to know for certain but it seemed a bit drastic to me. I was sick for the 1st time today which bizzarely was a positive for me cos it shows I have lots of hormones, I will not be saying this next week if I am as sick as I was last time I have told a couple of friend and will tell my parents next week, I decided if I was going to mc I wanted my close mates to know why I was so miserable.
it is quite, but nice to see other moms of a similar age. The ttc thread over 40 was quite too, maybe we all too much else to do than post. I'm a bit stressed at the mement I had bleeding last week which stopped but it has stated again, my Dr has arranged a scan for me tomorrow so I will know more then.
Hello, Thanks triplets... I am 46, due with dd2 on Tuesday (26th). Ds is 15 and dd1 is 13. I am thankful I am having only one as twins do run in dh's family.
No sickness this time or last, but much more worried about things this time for some reason..... maybe 'cos everything was so normal last time (and this), I keep waiting for something nasty to happen!
Thanks Angel and hi bunny rabbit. I was completely oblivious to potential problems last time and now I am fairly paranoid about everything. I think once you have had a child you meet more people who have had problems and become more aware.
I turned 40 Aug last year and have given up LOL now 19+3 weeks with my first due 18 July
I keep worrying everything will go wrong too. I have been blessed with feeling them move since they were 12 weeks but when it goes quiet I worry have resorted to drinking ice cold water to feel them squirm just so I know they are there and ok
I worked in neonatal intensive care for 12 years so I saw all the sick and preterm babies my experiences are a little out of the ordinary although all my friends had normal pregnancies and deliveries I thought I had a balanced view but apparently not I am a worry wort LOL
Hi there fellow 40+s - nice to feel in good company!
I've just had 44th b/day and am due in a couple of weeks with my 2nd. Age gap 11 yrs but my son is over the moon.
I must say I am a bit paranoid about being an older mum but nobody seems to look at me funny and I do believe we are becoming quite the fashion and the norm.
My paranoia only stems from a vanity point of view however - worried about how my daughter will feel to have an older mum taking her to school and that sort of stuff, otherwise from a physical point of view this pregnancy is the same as my first and I feel fit as a fiddle.
It's good to see that there a a few of us 'oldies' around.
Hedgepig, I'm glad that everything is OK after your bleeding. I've got my scan on Thursday, can't wait to hear (fingers crossed) that everything is OK so far. My Nuchal scan is next week.
I'm still feeling really tired, especially in the afternoons. I've taken to going to bed at 9pm most nights and I zonk out immediately my head hits the pillow. Do you think the tiredness will continue all the way through? I'm nearly 12 weeks and I read that it's supposed to get better in the second trimester, but at the moment it's not getting any better!
hi everyone so pleased to see you all I am 46 and expecting baby number 6 in october. My children are 28, 26, 25, 22 and 4. feeling fed up at the moment tith the medics telling me I am high risk of this that and the other. I have had my last four babies at home with no prebs and I want to enjoy this pregnancy and look forward to the birth without stressing over what may not haooen.