I too had an emergency section with my DS now aged 15 months -however I also had my appendix out when i was 14 and ever since then I've hated my stomach -I've always had an overhang over the scar which is still there -has anyone else had both ops and is it possible to get your stomach back into shape after having 2 different kinds of abdominal surgery?

I'm not bothered about getting a totally flat stomach because I've always had a little tummy but would be good to not look pregnant still! I'm 9st 10 and used to be 9st pre-preg and am 5ft 4 -working on losing the last 10 pounds

does running help?

OP- I was lucky but used clarins oil all through being pg. Had numbness that went after a few months - still have scar 15 months later, but it is fading.

Thank you ever so much Zazen. I am also crossing my fingers too. I will keep you posted.
Love.
Margo

Hi Morgobabbino - I used a very long strip of cotton and I crossed it over and round my waist, especially lower down over my lower abs, and then I pinned it. so i wore it from my belly button down. I wore it religiously when exercising also and pulled pulled pulled in my tummy as much as I could. I was walking 5Km in 45 mins with my splint on and pulling in my tummy as much as I could the whole time - it was HARD! I was really sweating, but little by little.

I got the strip of cotton in a fabric shop - it might have been cheepo curtain lining - I folded it so it was about 6 foot long and about a foot wide. it didn't 'give' much, but wasn't totally inflexible.

If I had the time I would have (a: slept a bit ) b: sewn some velcro strips onto it - but the big safety pins (old style nappy safety pins I got in the chemist) worked as well.

I'm crossing my fingers you get rid of your mummy tummy Margob don't forget to take piccies of before and after - it's a great motivational tool to see how far you've come - often we have achieved huge steps, and we forget how far we've come, as we are only thinking of how far we have yet to go!!

I was looking at some piccies I took of me just post op last night and I really am a skinny minx compared to then - I still have a ways to go, but I'm on my way there. Regular (every two or three weeks etc) photos are a brill way of keeping track of progress!!

Keep me posted OK?

Zazen, please please please see this question.
Where did you buy the splint? Very important for me, as I bought the Tupler's book and want to do all exercises.
Thanks.
Margo

I have what Geri has (apart from the body)which is that the overhang has now gone but the stomach does go in where the scar is.

The trick is to put your knicker waist band onto the scar so the top of Geri's bikini sits in her scar. It makes it look good. If she wore a slightly higher bikini bottom then you would see the scar through the material as her belly would bulge just above it.

I have had 2 c section, I still have a little numbness but it isn't anything that worries me. My last c section was 2 years ago.

Zazen, where did you buy your splint? I haven't been able to find one in local sport shops.

I have a very bad overhang my section was 6 yrs ago. A couple of years after it I saw a gyna consultant for something else and as I had tried every exercise under the sun I asked him about it and he said it is the way they have stitched me up and no amount of diet and exercise will get rid the only thing would be a tummy tug . But I have other friends who have had sections and have got rid of thier overhangs

Hi i had an ovarian cyst removed 7 years ago - i now have an overhang now didn't have one before and i still haven't got full feeling back. No amount of sit up will get rid of it!!!

Oh dear I love those pics of Geri!
But no she deffo does not have an over hang.
I'm with you monkeybird: I find that if I even look at cake I have my overhang back.. and late at night I have to almost do a backbend to keep my overhang from drooping!!

I used the splint for a while margobambino - and my diastisis has now closed - it helped me with my posture as well, and reminded me to use my transverse muscle all the time, as when I 'sagged' and let it all hang out, the splint was tight very tight.

I had lunch today with a friend who had an e-section 3 and a half months ago and she's considering a tummy tuck - this time her belly just flabbed out and she's numb from her ribs to groin.

It's pretty horrific that some cesareans go so badly - my yoga teach says some people are 'unlucky' and that it sometimes takes years to get back.

fingers crossed we can all 'regain our svelte selves'!!

I am 24 weeks pregnant, 13 months post e c/s. You would think it have pulled up a bit but alas no!

It now looks like I have 2 lumps bumps, one is my overhang, and one is my preg bump a bit higher up

hi margo,
I would be very pleased if i looked like geri in that picture! No, imagine muffin top, but only over the scar.
Spanx pants you can get online, or at john lewis. I would go for the all the way up ones.
RE abdominal ex- the absolutely most important thing is to use the muscle when you are performing normal tasks, eg lifting, sitting walking etc. It is a postural muscle, so needs to be used at low intensity but for most of the time. Wearing the pants will give you an appreciation of what it should feel like when the muscle is doing it's job normally and you should try and emulate the pull from the pabnts when you are not wearing them. By all means keep going with the ball work, though as it will help to push things along.

rofling at margo. Er, no Geri does not have an overhang, just a tiny bulge. If that's what you look like love you do NOT need to worry. I suspect what we're talking about is more like this but my case, MUCH worse...

hi i have got a friend who had a bad cut and the probs that go with that but i ended up with em sec. i have got overhang, numbness etc, despite being told it wouldn't happen. i'm still at least 2 stone heavier than i want to be, and i hate looking at my stomach in the mirror. and altho this friend has been a good m8, she didn't stop to think before she spoke when i told her my target weight - she was at the weight i wanted to be at at her 6 wk check. i can truly say i hated her for that, and i hate her for her flat stomach and ability to wear her normal clothes. our little ones are 20/ 21 mths now and my stomach still enters the room b4 i do. i f*ing hate it!!! so nice to at least hear of some normal people. still don't feel better bout it tho

... and here
justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&mon=08&evt=geri-bikini&pic=geri-halliwell-bikini-09 .jpg

Hi Suey2,
I saw a physio with a special interest of postpartum women. She said I have a mild diastasis and recommended some core exercises with ball. I am not very good at doing them religiously but doing as much as I can. In the second appointment she said it improved a lot.
What are spanx pants and do you know where I can find them?
I am still a bit confused about what overhang is. Girls who don't have an overhang, does this mean your scar is at exactly the same level level with your abdomen?
For example, do you think Geri has an overhang in this picture?
justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2007&mon=08&evt=geri-bikini&pic=geri-halliwell-bikini-01 .jpg
Zazen, thank you very much for your very helpful posts. I am going to buy the book hopefully tomorrow. I think it is available at WHSmith. Have you ever tried the splint they mentioned on the internet? If yes, how did you find it?
Thanks...

hi margo,
i am 3 months post emergency CS. I do not have an overhang. I am still a stone over PPG weight and am usually a size 14 at 5' 10"
I did not get a diastasis at all, so was able to use my TA normally straight after birth. I was very conscious about sucking in lots straight away as it occurs to me that all the care post cs (ie avoiding lifting etc) would tend to make you even floppier. (I am a physio)
If you still have a diastasis, you need to sort that out first. (no knowledge of the book, but a woman's health physio will be able to help) Then lots of TA work to 'tighten the girdle'. Try some spanx pants or similar to get a feeling of what the normal support should be. Good luck

Hi franke, hi all, here is a link to the book on amazon - scroll down and read the publisher's views, and those by mummies who have used the technique.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lose-Your-Mummy-Tummy-Groundbreaking/dp/0738209813/ref=sr13?ie =UTF8&s=books&qid=1207227139&sr=8-3

It really is worth the price. And after reading it and doing the exercises they become second nature. The main point of the book and the main benefit of it is that you are healthy, with a strong back for lifting and a firm tummy. As we all know lifting without pain is impossible without a strong back and the Tupler technique has a fabulous strengthening benefit, with lots of tips for lifting and getting up out of bed etc.
She also has lots of pictures and photos in the book if text descriptions leave you confused.

This book has in depth descriptions and pictures of how to find if your abdominal seperation is still there and how to find it. This as invaluable for me as I had started pilates too soon and still had a diastasis, and I made it worse.
Only after I closed it did I feel I could benefit from my pilates classes, and pay for them without wondering whether they were good for me.

I vaguely remember nappy brain when pg,
in fact, I think I still get it most mornings till about 10 or at least until I have a coffee

best of luck - keep me posted won't you

Zazen, in case you come back to this, was the Tupler technique quite straightforward to get to grips with or was it quite involved? I read one of your links and I couldn't really get to grips with what she was trying to say, but then I am a bit of a nappy brain at the mo, 34 weeks pg and all

Deffo going for another vbac btw - no good reason not to. Thanks for the good wishes

i have never worked out how to identify gap in stomach muscles if one is a little fat. i think i did have one and it has gone away again with healing and exercise (ds is nearly 3).

to go back to op, the overhang is something that was sadly present before i got pg and so it is worse now even though i am thinner. the numbness went gradually over a year or so.

Well franke, what I found is, that increased sensation in the lower abdominal area I was more able to engage the muscles during a pilates class, and the overhang has been pulled in and flattened by the exercise. My abdominal muscles have joined up in the middle now and there are only a few weird (numbish) feeling patches on the outer edges of the scar.

The moxabustion was great to bring heat and sensation into the area, the Tupler technique closed the diastisis (the gaping of the muscles) and the pilates enabled my muscles to tone up.

Good luck with the birth - are you going for a VBAC, or a ceserean birth? Good luck with whatever you (and your baby) decides.

Just want to add my voice in support of acupuncture for the scar area. I had a very lumpy, uneven scar that was also very numb in places - I think I had been sewn up quite clumsily. 2 years after my cs I had a vbac and post-natally my lovely midwife did a few sessions of localised acupuncture around the scar. By the last session the whole area was transformed in terms of being able to feel again. After a bit more time, the lumpiness and uneveness really reduced - I was really amazed as I had been quite conscious of and upset by its appearance.

I'm interested to read that acupuncture can also have an effect on overhang zazen - will look into that after my next birth in 6 weeks

Margobabbino, I massage the scar area with a flat hand up and down across the scar and from around the back and across the scar: so north-south and east-west. Then I pull up the scar away from my body and try and roll it in my fingers (quite painful) but it breaks the adhesions between muscle and skin under the scar.

I also did a bit of mayan massage which is an amazing south American (Mayan) technique with reported benefits. http://arvigomassage.com/definitionandhistory.php
http://www.mayamassage.co.uk/
http://www.midwi ferytoday.com/articles/AncientMaya.asp

and for the directions for self care
www.regenerationsprings.com/documents/selfcare_women.doc

This really is a very powerful technique and well worth contacting a practitioner as well as doing the self care massage.

Beansprout's advice is good! All complementary therapists will re-direct you if they can't meet your requirements. if they don't they aren't interested in your healing, just themselves and their practice.

For finding a acupuncture therapist I rang the major school of acupuncture and asked their advice on who to go to. I found the school with google.
I chose my therapist for a few reasons
1. she is a member of an accrediting board.
2. she also does herbal remedies.
3. she also does 'cupping' and moxabustion. and
4 most importantly for me her clinic is within walking distance for me.

let me know how you are getting on - sometimes we expect ourselves to spring back into action way before it's realistic, and especially if we are 'good at things' usually.
But surgery takes time to get over, and it's can be very difficult to be patient with yourself, and praise yourself for the distance you've come. Good luck - keep us posted

A lot of acupuncturists do, just ask when you phone. If they don't, ask if they know someone who does. A lot of complementary therapists are quite happy to refer you to colleagues.

Zazen,
Thank you very much for your kind advices. Jut want to ask a couple of questions:
Is there a specific way of massaging or just an ordinary massage?
I heard that acupuncture is good for scars from an osteopath as well. I don't know how to find an acupuncturist who can do moxibustion. How did you find yours?

Try massage margobambino, it re-connects you with your body. The numbness does eventually go away - I also tried moxabustion - acupuncture with burning herbs on the top of the needles - to get some warmth back inside my abdomen.

It sounds dreadful but it really worked, and in among the numb area in my abdomen, it found, joined up and re-energised both sides of my scar. I also bawled crying in the therapists room, so I feel there was a lot of emotional numbness and grief to release about the birth as well.

Moxabustion was a real turning point for me, and I hope you (and anyone who is lurking here with the same condition ) can get the chance to have it.

Thanks for your words of encouragement Suwoo!

I'm trying to incorporate a more healthy lifestyle into my day - it is amazing how many other things demand my time, but little by little I'm positive I'll get there. I'm going to take things day by day, and choice by choice.

I'm 40 this year and I hope that I'll be able to stop the rot and get to where I'm happiest.

That picture I posted was cute and very empowering I'm sure for the mother in question. That is how I percieve an overhang to be, albeit smaller than some. It is (in my head anyway)they way the stomach pouches over the scar not just a 'normal' fat tummy .
Zazen, you have really put
some effort into your recovery haven't you, good for you, I am in awe of your efforts and I hope it all pays off for you.

Hi all,
I had an emergency cesarean section birth 3 and a half years ago and I still have a bit of an overhang. I had a 12 inch incision and have a huge scar. I also have scarring inside and a lot of pulling and tugging when I stretch.

I had a diastasis (abdominal muscle separation) for two years post op and only in the last year have I been able to do any pilates, as I have closed the gap in my mucles doing 'mummy tummy' exercises by Julie Tupler of maternalfitness.com http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=56021

My overhang is reducing as i regain control over the muscles in my lower abdomen. the nerves are growing back and I massage the area daily, and roll and pull my scar with my fingers. I also did a lot of acupuncture to 'heat' the area as it was deathly cold and numb.
I found amazing and personal help from Julie Tupler - she emailed me with personal answers when I had questions for her. she's an author and mother and sepcialises in recovery and birth.
http://findadoulatoday.com/reviews/fitness.asp?q=dona
http://www.maternalfitness.com/ for a course of specialised pilates and maternal fitness classes near you, details of her books and DVDs.

The book "lose your mummy tummy" was a god send for me as i still had abdominal muscle separation 2 years post birth, and this special exercises helped me close the gap in my ab muscles, before I could get on with my pilates programe.

I'm happy to say that with acupuncture and pilates my tummy is 'lifting' up and no longer looks like an overhang. I'm actually able to feel the pulling in and up of the muscles now. And the pain from the scars inside are not so bad now - i just have to be careful of the internal scars tearing if I sneeze suddenly (so I quickly hold my tummy when sneezing).

It does take time to lost the weight, so don't give yourself grief about it - weight loss is linked to sufficient rest, as well as exercise and watching what you eat etc, so if you're not getting enough rest, you won't be able to lose weight until you do. Not easy to do i know - I'm still a stone and a half over my pre preg weight - but I only get 6 hours sleep these nights, and I used to get 8, so I'm not too pushed to beat myself up about 'finishing' my DDs easter eggs!

I just think of myself as a work in progress, and have patience with myself and my amazing body! I still can't believe I grew a baby so I feel that I'm still in a process of change because of that.

Hi time4tea, yes I mention about the same thing. I am not 100% sure whether it is overhang or not. And not 100% sure whether it will go after losing weight either. I started doing core exercises but not very regular unfortunately.
Maggieb52, I totally understand your worries but don't worry i don't think 1 stone weight loss would cause saggy skin or something. I have almost 4 stones to lose. I may worry
Suwoo, the picture you sent is really cute. Are you sure that is overhang? Mine does not like this. My all tummy is big and scar is a bit low than tummy but tummy doesn't cover the scar. It is like you put on lots of weight, the only difference is the scar area little bit lower than it normally be.

I have one too. Wish it was as cute as that picture...but sadly it is a bit more paunchy and has a smile!! I hate hate hate it. I need to lose about a stone but wonder if the fat skin will turn all wrinkly??

Hi Margo, I don't think its anything to do with the surgeons technique or the size of your baby, I think its simply down to genetics, like cellulite or stretch marks for example. I am lucky enough to have no stretch marks either, but I have other issues with my body that I am unhappy with so didn't want to sound like I was boasting.

I've just found this gorgeous picturewhilst looking for overhang images. This woman has one....

In my opinion an overhang is deflated skin/fat that cannot be sucked in.
I also have a friend who has kindly showed me her overhang and she has had two normal births (7lb-ers) and has always hovered around 10stone and still does. Her last child was born 6 years ago.
I think that women do keep quiet about it in the same way they all claim that breastfeeding does nothing to your norks.
I had an episiotomy with my first birth but I have never given that a second thought tbh.
I got my poor dh to take pics of my stomach and its bad but not as bad as in my mind when I look in the mirror. Maybe that might help you?
Primark do some knickers that are a band of thick elasticated stuff with normal knickers attached which are good as you can position the band where you need it iykwim? Plus you dont lose all circulation to your legs like with those heavy duty granny ones lol.

I'm interested in this as 12 months on after CS i still have quite a pronounced pot-belly and look fairly pregnant (although at least now my norks stick out further than my belly)

is this what you are meaning by over-hang? I'm doing some pilates and am still 3 stone over weight - margobambino for me too it was breastfeeding, and I have been depressed too in the past. take it easy about the weight and be good to yourself. I found accepting that I am going to be a bit bigger for a while - hey! because I had a magnificent pair of babies! - is just what it cost me and a price worth paying. the weight will come off - just take care of yourself and don't let it get you down

Hi Queenbhannae,
I didn't know that you can get an overhang after a normal birth. The problem is people who had normal births, I believe, are hiding their problems. This is one of the issues they are hiding. Another one for example, most of them have a scar in their perineum but they don't mention about it. When you ask them they usually say it is disturbing and/or affecting their sexual life but they are not usually as open as women had c-section. I am wondering why .
Overhang aafter normal birth shold be quite common because in some countries women wear specific very tight girdles after birth to try to prevent.
When you search on the internet nobody mentions about that. Himmm, interesting really.

Hiya MArgo,

I have had two em sections, the second of which was a difficult one for the surgeon and has resulted in my scar being near the full width of my stomach. He had to keep making it bigger and bigger due to size of baby(12lbs 2oz) and transverse lie) and the midwife had her mouth open watching whilst four people held my stomach in place for him to cut lol.
It also curves upwards into a smile and because of the overhang makes my stomach look as if it is in three parts at the bottom if that makes sense?
I have the numbness as does my mother and she still has it 11years after her last c-s.
I am five stone lighter than my pre pregnancy weight and my stomach still looks horrendous and my belly button has a skin hood fgs.
That said I developed my overhang after the first baby which was a normal birth and I was very slim and think it is just the luck of the draw.
After the doom and gloom of my tale, I will say that my close friend has no overhang, just a sprinkling of wrinkly skin and is not very slim at all.

I am hoping that if I shift a few stone more it will at least look better when I am clothed.

Suwoo, have you heard or read about the reason? I mean why some women have it and some don't?

Hi suwoo, yes i understand the feeling re numbness. This is what I feel as well. Not the skin but the underlying tissues.
It is good to know that some women don't have that overhang. So at least I will see what happens after loosing weight. Some people keep saying that every c-section woman has overhang and it won't go.

I have the odd spot of numbess and having a strangely tender day today around the scar-but the internal tissues, not the skin IYKWIM. My DS is 15 months. Not every woman has an overhang, I am lucky enough not too and it is completely flat, I am a size 10. My friend who was below her pre pregnancy weight at 7 stone, 3 weeks post c section is a size 6 and does have an overhang, IMO it is just the luck of the draw.

Hi Potxola and beansprout,
9 months... And I am currently overweight. I had a very good pregnancy. Didn't gain much weight and did exercise. But afterwards I put on weight because of the breastfeeding problems, depression etc. I will try to lose weight but gonna be difficult as I had PCOD. So depressing!

How long ago was your section M?

hi ,
I had a C-section 4 years ago. The numbness took about 3 months to go. The overhang, stays for a bit longer, specially if you always have had weight on your tummy and do not lose a lot weight. Breast feeding helps a lot.
If you are normaly thin, let's say under size 14 it would go away with time, you will see.

Anybody knows any woman who has been able to get rid of her cesarean overhang or who didn't have an overhang (or pouch) at all? And I would like to ask same question re the numbness after c-section.
If you have any "yes" to either questions, can you tell me how could the manage that?
Please help, this is very important for me.
Love.
M