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To make it easier for people who find this subject very distressing, we've decided to keep all Baby P posts in one thread. So please can you restrict any posts about the case to this thread.
Thanks, MNHQ
I imagine they were paying fares like anyone else, and the bus-driver doesn't have "fashion police" on his job description.
I mean, I think they look pretty daft, but then they might think I looked daft as well. (There's probably some truth in the comment on the DM page about looking back on it in 10 years and finding it embarrassing.)
Although...
Dani Graves. Chortle.
(Do they take the chain off at night, I wonder? Or when one of them needs a shit?)
At being treated as a pet (even ironically) At the driver's behaviour. At the way the DM reports it. "they're on benefits and are thinking of starting a family."
Love the Daily Fascist Mail pointing out that they 1.live on benefits 2. live in a council house 3. want to start a family all in one sentence. Brilliant
at the driver at the DM reporting (for the same reason as Peaches quotes)
Apart from the leash, I don't think they're dressed particularly OTT tbh. It's quite conservative for a pair of teenage goths I thought (kids today, no idea how to dress provocatively!)
If she was my daughter? I'd say 'FGS put some slap on girl, call yourself a goth? I've seen better goths shopping in boden. Queen of the night my arse. Pah, you kids today<<mumble, mumble>>'
They're all silly arses - Daily Bile, bus driver and silly girl who lets her bf walk her round on a lead (I have nothing against their clothes and hair - in fact once upon a time I looked a bit like that - less cleavagey though...but I really don't like the whole "dog on a lead" thing).
Agreed, the clothes and hair aren't especially outrageous when you compare with some. He looks desperately like he wants to be Wayne Hussey or that bloke out of Fields of the Napalm or whatever the hell they are called.
Erm, just a bit of FYI here... The 'pet' thing is BDSM rather than just gothic (though you can get away with a lot more BDSM trappings if you are also a goth). But what a pillock of a bus driver - he's got no justification for kicking them off the bus if he lets on: people with big awkward bulky items, or actual woofing barking pissing dogs, has he?
hmmm, does she take the pet thing to the extreme where she refused to pay, as she is a pet? if so, he is well within his rights to chuck them off. this sounds lieks some sort of sexual thing. and consenting adults are fine, but could they please do their consensual sex acts elsewhere, and not on public transport.
Its got NOTHING to do with the bloody bus driver how they choose to dress or live!!! And he has no right WHATSOEVER to dictate who gets on that bus decided simply by someones clothing or lifestyle choice!
Somehow it seems 'OK' to some people to react that way towards this young couple just because they are young and goths.
Well its not
There would be bloody uproar if he refused a young asian couple on because she was wearing a headdress or him a turban.
But people dont see discrimination the same way when it comes to young people.
pukkapatch, where did it say that they were performing sexual acts on the bus, did I miss the best bit of the story? When you come down to it its no different to holding hands or wearing a wedding ring.
MMIW, my daughter (14) has gone out looking much worse then this, and yes I am very proud of her.
I just love the way the dm manipulates stories to suit their own agenda. I wonder if this is going to be a new thing with them? Dragging up things from victims lives to demonstrate how they deserve to be a victim.
if the bus driver chucked them off because he didn't like the way they were dressed, then he is an arse who deserves sacking.
however, if the bus driver disagreed with the poor girl being dragged along on a fecking dog chain by her boyfriend, and decided to make his own little protest by not allowing that to happen on his bus, then good on him.
And... how would you lot all feel if that was your daughter being treated like that? Has nobody ever taught her that she is a person?
i hope she is ashamed in a few years and she'snot still trailing round round on a lead, going nowhere alone, doing nothing, and not really having much of a life at all.
what happens when she wants a shit? or is changing her tampon? or is in the shower?
You lot are so middle aged sometimes - she probably has great sex all the time and that's all she cares about right now. I would imagine she is allowed off the lead at home too.
Lol at so much of this story. I'm another (failed) Goth. Although, didn't I read something once about those prone to 'Gothicism' as youths tend to be higher achievers as adults? It must be something in the deep and meaningful, analyzing all life gene. Don't quite know how the lead comes into it, but am v v jealous of her body.
Agree, mp. There are so many ways to be submissive. I loathe it when young girls are conditioned to want nothing more than marriage and babies. And doing it all whilst looking so normal.
I used to be a goth. Mildly embarrassed about it now, more so that I have turned out so 'normal'!!! I still have my goth chains/belts as I can't bear to throw them out. (plus they were blimmin expensive!!) I used to get tutted at quite a lot, but was never thrown off a bus. Think driver was out of order. Also lol at 'facsist pig' - I seem to remember that was our 'catchphrase' at the time too. I think its in the goth bible!!
but bcs other ways of being submissive are bad, doesn't make this un-bad, shurely mp?
I am learning right now with BDSM, MP. Struggled at first with clutch control in sparkletastic t-bars. And is astonishingly hard not to ladder my American Tan tights on the gearstick.
Am lolling at some of you tutting and sucking your gums, we've all been there (still have the purple skirts and crimpers, consigned firmly to the loft, I might add). Don't understand the feminist outrage about the submission either, so they're sporting an extreme version of it but most women who like to be domineered are completely in control of the rest of their lives.
But they're young, they like to shock, they've achieved that, don't you think? Like many have said, in 20 years time they'll be dressed in Boden and debating about whether to send their little darlings to state or private school.
It's outrageous that he wants to take his pet on the bus. She'll lose condition if she doesn't get walked enough. They perhaps need to go to the park and play stickie too.
Is she not wearing eyeliner & lipstick because that would be animal cruelty?
Good lord, the most shocking thing is how little she is wearing on a cold day! She really needs a proper winter coat, and maybe a nice cardie! Silly girl.
DOn't get why a bit of teenage posturing with a dog lead is somehow more antifeminist than burquas and jilbabs - and somehow I don#t get the impression that the bus driver was objecting on feminist grounds anyway. BDSM is freely chosen activities between consenting adults of any/all genders anyway. This particular couple are young enough not to realise that they didn;t really need to get all self-righteous about their lifestyle choices, they were going to get enough sympathy for being persecuted as Goths. But some BDSM folks, particularly younger ones or those who are relatively new on the scene, can get terribly, terribly pompous about their preferences when most people, frankly, are't that bothered as long as it doesn't directly interfere with their own lives.
I also rather wonder what would have been the reaction of a) the bus driver b) the Daily Wail and c) MNers if this story had featured the male half of the couple on the lead, saying he was her pet (rather more common than female pets IME).
I'm quite unbothered about what they get up to in the bedroom, but a little that they feel the need to proclaim it to the world. Not that this at all justifies the bus driver being a twonk.
"'The Bus driver ought to be disciplined.' Preferably with a whip, by a woman in high-heeled boots. "
Wild applause
C'mon, you'd have to try pretty hard to get upset at the reactions on this thread. It's just a bit of a laugh. [Much as I defend their right to make pasty faced arses of themselves in public and not be harangued by thuggish bus drivers.]
How come when I was verbally abused by a drunk on the bus the driver did nothing? Or had to stand when 8 months pregnant? Or when other passangers are swearing, spitting, fighting and drinking? Not a peep. But goths? Be gone satans!
I'm pretty sure if it was a far more threatening looking skinhead we would be back to peepless driver..
If she was my daughter, I'd buy her http://www.rigbyandpeller.com/designer-bras/push-up-bras/LejabyElixir_Empire_Push_UpBra/448/index. aspxget this]] I'm sure it comes in black.
My sister in law is 40yrs old and has always been a goth. You should have seen her party! Loads of black, pretend electric chair in the corner, chains on the walls and as for her friends, well it was like being at a Halloween party and they were really boring, just talking about graveyards in different towns and which is the best to visit. My mum in law is used to it and i just think they are quite harmless if a bit scarry looking. It was a daytime party (are they allowed out in the day?) and my DD2 did look at them warrily but then spent ages looking at her Aunties skull rings. It takes all sorts. AB
Jeez, I remember the days when controlling boyfriends used to settle for walking around with their girlfriends in a neck-lock, now it's a dog collar and chain.
Whoever said it's a sex act is right and this is just exhibitionism so these two can both fuck off, making the public be their audience in their creepy little lifestyle sex games.
at the driver 
