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Mumsnet Discussions: Conception : Trying to conceive again..... (36 messages)
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Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Thu 08-May-08 20:19:14
I have a beautiful daughter now 2 and half and would like another child. I have had 2 miscarriages, one before my daughter and one after last September 06.

I really want another child but it's not happening........We have been trying for a year now, apart from one month we have really gone for itgrin but to no avail.

I am taking Agnes cactus and shea oak, healthy living, only drink about 3 glasses of wine a week, stable weight of 9 stone. I don't know what else I can do to try and get things moving. I am 37 and just feel fedup about the fact that my time may be up....
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbgarden on Thu 08-May-08 20:41:46
Hi there,
Sorry to hear of your miscarriages. I haven't experienced M/c (yet) so can't imagine how you feel but I am the same age with a ds of nearly 2 and have just started trying (couple of months) - I'm fed up after 2/3 months of trying - I just want it to happen !....I am temping (and on the TEMPING BUDDIES 12 THREAD) however and have found it interesting that I don't always ovulate quite when I thought I did which saves a bit of time and concentrates the time of the month when you should get down to it. I also use OPK's. Some on our thread are using reflexology and acupuncture. How quickly did you conceive DD??....There isn't really much else I can say but the Temping Thread is very supportive. Although am rubbish at taking my own advice, most doctors simply say you need a lot of well timed sex - a lot of us just don't do it enough (my case !!)... Do you have a copy of the Toni Weschler book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" - that is also very helpful
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Thu 08-May-08 20:44:32
have you been to your doc, they may run bloods on you now.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ScaryHairy on Thu 08-May-08 21:32:21
Hi

I just wanted to say you're not on your own. I have a lovely nearly 2 year old and we have been trying for another baby for almost a year, during which time I have been pregnant but it was ectopic and now I am under orders not to try again until July.

Trying to conceive is just plain frustrating.

One thing I think has helped me relax a bit (which I started doing before the ectopic, so I believe it was helpful) is to try to deal with the bits about my daughter's birth that made me upset. It was pretty traumatic, so there was quite a lot. It sounds a bit hippy, but I felt that my fear of giving birth was stopping me from conceiving IYSWIM. You might think I am totally mental, but whatever helps hey? Reflexology and acupuncture can also be helpful with the staying relaxed side of things. I believe people when they say stress is not conducive to conceiving - well it certainly isn't for me!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By AttilaTheMeerkat on Fri 09-May-08 07:27:52
madame

I don't think your time is up at all but you should be referred to a gynae for further evaluation now given your history. Please speak to your GP if you haven't done so already, it may be that you are not ovulating regularly.

Would not self medicate with AC; if there were any underlying hormonal imbalances present this will not help. If you wanted to continue using this please seek out a properly qualified medical herbalist instead.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Sat 10-May-08 15:10:48
Thank you all for your thoughts, Attiliathemeerkat I had never thought of getting a referral as I just thought that that 2 miscarriages was very common. I was told by the nhs that they only investiagate when you have had 4 miscarriages on the trot....

I do oulation sticks every month and they are always positive but still nothing...

Why would you not self medicate with agnus cactus, do you think it could hinder and if so why?

Herb graden what is OPK'S please?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Mon 12-May-08 17:06:54
any thoughts anybody....
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Mon 12-May-08 19:51:44
can anyone recommend where I can post this or where there is support for those trying to conceive as I am not getting much responce here and would really like someone to talk to.
Thanks
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Mon 12-May-08 19:53:28
OPKs are ovulation sticks.

your gp may refer you earlier because of your age, and angus castus is a vvv powerful herb, it can over-stimulate your ovaries hth
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By calsworld on Mon 12-May-08 19:54:08
OPK's are ovulation prediction kits - you can get them from most supermarket / pharmacists and they're normally in the section with the Home Pregnancy Tests (HPTs). hope that helps!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ReachOutAndTeuch on Mon 12-May-08 19:55:42
Hi Madame - I have found it very quiet on here the last few days, but I am sure there will be someone around soon smile

Pop over to out thread and you'll find a few friendly 'faces' at most times of the day!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Mon 12-May-08 19:58:01
I have stopped the agnes cactus 3 days ago so I have taken that on board. What would the gp refer me for?

I had a laparoscopy 4 years ago before my daughter and that was all normal and my husband had a sperm count and that was all good. Is there something else my gp could be recommending I have tested?

I have made an appoitment with a female gp for next Friday, firts appotent I could get....
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Mon 12-May-08 19:59:00
Thank you Reachoutandteuch
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ReachOutAndTeuch on Mon 12-May-08 20:05:01
Your welcome, though it should read 'our' thread...there is no 'outing' of any kind on there grin.

How about your cycle? How regular are you and how much do you 'spot' in terms of cervical mucous, etc?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By AttilaTheMeerkat on Tue 13-May-08 08:06:03
madame,

Good luck with your appointment on Friday. I hope you get a referral. Generally speaking, gynaes like to see women over the age of 35 if they have been ttc for more than six months without success.

Agnus castus can cause more LH to be made. If there is an underlying hormonal imbalance AC can make things worse. Glad therefore you've now stopped the AC.

Why was the laparoscopy done originally?. Did they suspect endometriosis?. I ask this as a lap is commonly done if this is suspected.

One semen analysis is not conclusive of there not being any possible male factor problems. You both need up to date test results - the results of any test done over six months ago should be discounted.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By beaniesteve on Tue 13-May-08 08:12:24
Attila - I've seen you post a lot about Agnus Castus, mostly negatively and while I agree it's probably better not to self-medicate can you explain why you are so against it? Did you use it yourself or do you know of people who have had real problems while taking it?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:39:47
I am going to ask for a referral as I just want to do all I can to get pregnant. I want it so badly that I think I imagine I am every month. For example I have been feeling sick and heightened sence of smell for the last few days, and it's all in my head probably.

I try to relax, go for reflexology, swim but just want another baby. My husband said last night how great my daughter would be with a baby and that just makes me feel worse as I feel I am failing....

All my friends and family have two and seem to relish in that, I feel envious and I guess a bit jelous.

Feeling quite low today about the whole thing..sad
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:40:54
sorry to those who don't have any children and are trying I do feel for you, please don't think of me as selfish as I know how very lucky I ma to have my daughter.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Chequers on Tue 13-May-08 16:42:16
I'm sure this isn't allowed and I'm really sorry MNHQ if it isn't. BUT, www.ivillage.co.uk/boards does have a really fast moving ttc forum, with loads of good advice. You might want to look there, it's under fertility.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:42:20
AttilaTheMeerkat, I had a laparoscopy because we ahd been trying for 2 years with no results, they did it as investigation and when it was all clear they just said we had unexplained infertility.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:43:12
Thank you Chequers
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bellabelly on Tue 13-May-08 16:43:22
We took ages to get pregnant, charted, etc etc - I used Pre-seed (a sperm-friendly lube that helps them swim) for the first time and that was the cycle I got pg with my twins. Might just have been coincidence but I would def recommend. I ordered mine off the internet, not v expensive, worth a try?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Chequers on Tue 13-May-08 16:44:08
I got pg the only month I used pre-seed too.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By MrsTittleMouse on Tue 13-May-08 16:49:53
God no, it's not selfish! When we decided to try for DB2, DH said that we wouldn't be disappointed if I couldn't conceive as we had DD1. hmm Luckily he came to his senses pretty quickly and we agreed that although we would be very grateful for DD1, it would still be very upsetting to not have a baby that we had hoped for.

Of course everyone who has fertility problems would rather have one DC than none, but I think that you would have to have a heart of stone to TTC and not feel awful when it didn't happen.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:51:43
bellabelly is that something I take or my husband please?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 16:52:59
does anyone know what the referall could be for, ie. what tests they could run on me so I have more info on board when I do go to my gp?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bellabelly on Tue 13-May-08 17:34:24
madame, you insert it up your fanjo before sex as I recall!

- this lot are selling trial size for 7 quid
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bellabelly on Tue 13-May-08 17:37:58
The other thing that I heard, possibly on the Pre-seed website, is that saliva can be the wrong ph and can damage sperm. For that reason, I started to avoid oral sex when ttc and maybe that made a difference too? It is so hard to know what is medically sound advice and what is old wives' tales but I was willing to try pretty much anything!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Tue 13-May-08 18:26:33
Thanks about the preseed tip, never heard of it so I will give it a try next month if no luck this month hmm
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Chequers on Tue 13-May-08 18:39:55
Bella I heard that too about saliva.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By AttilaTheMeerkat on Wed 14-May-08 06:50:51
Madame,

Re your comment:-

"I had a laparoscopy because we had been trying for 2 years with no results, they did it as investigation and when it was all clear they just said we had unexplained infertility".

That is poor service on the part of the hospital. Bloody hell, they put you through surgery!. Surgery like this should not be done without good cause; this is often done if endometriosis is suspected. BTW did they not test your husband at that time?.

Don't bother about ferning; that will just tie you further up in knots. Best thing to do instead is go all out to determine the underlying cause/s of the fertility problem now. The GP is the first point of contact in this regard, he can refer you.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lizziemun on Wed 14-May-08 07:07:17
Madame

I hope i can give you a little hope.

It took 18mths for me to get pg with dd1 when i was 35yrs. we had dd1 in 2004 we ttc when she was 10mths i had a miscarriage in 2006 and we finaly had dd2 in 2007 when i was 37yrs.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lizziemun on Wed 14-May-08 07:11:07
Sorry dd2 pressed go before i finished. Both times i got pg (and gave birth) i had just got refferrals to see a specialist.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Wed 14-May-08 17:19:32
Hi AttilaTheMeerkat, sorry what do you mean by ferning please?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By AttilaTheMeerkat on Wed 14-May-08 18:26:52
Saliva testing is supposed to produce a fern like pattern, hence the other term used. Would stay well away from any testing of saliva; its not at all proven.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By madame on Fri 16-May-08 19:36:47
thanks, don't like the sound of that at all anyway.


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