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: Temping buddies 12- What's all the Broo-har with Hoo-Har temping? BFP's please!
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I think it's between 7-10dpo, which would explain the spotting certainly. I don't honestly know if 12dpo is too late for implantation dip. But there again you don't need to have had a temp dip to be pg
Maybe that temp is a rogue one. I mean that it needs to be seen in the context of your whole chart, so for instance if your temp goes up tomorrow, then that low temp won't mean a thing, but if tomorrows is also low, then given that you're 12 dpo (a good LP btw) today it could signal the end of the cycle.
That said it isn't over until we're all back to cd1 is it?
The not knowing is doing both our heads in I fear.
thats what i thought squack cheers ye i will 2nd that my period is due sat or sun testing sat @ 15dpo do you feel afish type feelings? i dont feel any such feelings abdomen is still twing,pulling and bubbling,not moody feel really happy,breast reolas are more promenient also weeing lots positive vibes and baby dust for us both ***************
Oh I did laugh at the title. Lottie on the old hoo har temping - sorry if TMI but I know you won't mind sharing, but how far up do you stick the old thermometer and do you push it against a wall (oh my oh my) or just leave it sort of "in". I'm wondering whether to do the old hoo har temping this month....
Sorry, am rubbish at reading the charts and interpreting them so Squack and Tink would be nigh on useless on giving you an opinion if I looked at your charts.
Also anyone - is it possible to have a 17/19 day LP? According to FF - I ov'd on day 12 last month but def had the ov pain on day 13 and am not convinced - I then had more EWCM.....I think next month we'll have to start BD'ing on day 9 and go 9/11/13 and 15 to have all our bases covered.....DH will be chuffed
Finally, Minxi just out of interest, how long did it take you to conceive dc's 1 and 2? - I was just chatting with a friend about it at lunchtime today - we both had our dc's at the same time and are the same age (37 nearly 38) and she is thinking about trying for dc2 soon so we were discussing the subject of easy first conception and maybe not so easy second. Hope you don't mind me asking anyway.
Hope everyone else is ok......I might think about reflexology/acupuncture soon....
herb I have to say I started trying for DS and was pg on 3rd cycle....It's been a shock to me to get to the 5th and still not be PG (I know this isn't long but).... I think it happens loads!
on reflection I wouldn't recommend waiting 2 years to try to ttc #2 after #1, because if it happens quickly you can cope with 2 kids in nappies.... whereas now I have a 2.5yr old ds and want a baby NOW....I'm worried about my age (34) and the gap between DS1 and #2...
Morning girls.... Herb DS1 took 9 months and DS2 took 11 months...but DH was away quite alot at the right time - still is really which is possibly why its taking sooo long this time... a friend of mine conceived her first on the 1st month her second took 5 years!! Whereas another friend had all 4 of hers at her first attempt with all!!! I don't think you can ever know... good luck to your friend though...
tinksquack fingers crossed and lots of babydust*******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Hi Herby - hmm, re. the old HH temping. I don't push it against a wall, just push it in and leave it for a few seconds before pressing the button. It's such an enclosed space (LOL - can't believe I'm saying this) that the temp should be very constant. If I take my temp more than once at the same time the results are always identical (although my thermometer only goes to one decimal place).
I'm 37 nearly 38 as well Just went for my first acupuncture session earlier this week.
Removed myself from list. Moving to a new job, so no MN at work any more and no computer at home. Will be sorting out a laptop eventually, just don't want my dpo climbing to a ridiculous number while I'm away.
Will be a shame to miss all the BFP announcements, but I suppose I'll catch up. Ready, Nappy and Lottie have been with me through a good chunk of my time here - I'll be having words with you if you're not on ante-natal threads next time I check in
Still no period for me & another negative test this morning.
Ok here's the possibilties:
1. I'm pg and the tests are crap and not picking it up (highly unlikely to not get a +ve at 15dpo, surely)
2. I'm not actually 15dpo at all and the temps around O (done with a different thermometer) are not accurate and should be discarded.
3. I'm not pregnant and have extended my LP to 14 days and will come on today.
4. This cycle is annovulatory and feck only knows what's going on!?!
This leaves me, as I see it, with 2 options.
Either i wait for 18 temps above coverline and if no positive result or period, go to the GP and ask for advice/bloods. Or, change the dates on my chart and see if i have O'd at all this cycle and if so calculate when I'm now likely to be due.
Please someone tell me if I have actually gone mad
I'm trying to figure this out logicallyI'm now starting to be convinced that my O temps need to be discarded
FF has changed my ovulation from cd20 to cd26 which says I am only 3 DPO which means we have no chance this month. I don't understand the stupid chart and may have to give up soon...its driving me insane!
Squack - just had a quick shufty at your chart. I can see you've been tinkering with it and at the moment it's saying you're 7dpo. Now, personally... I think you ARE 15dpo today and not 7. I just don't know how likely it is that both your Persona and the OPKs would be wrong..? I also don't know (perhaps someone could enlighten me!) whether Persona would give you two periods of peak/high, if the first one looked like OV but wasn't.
I would have thought that if it was still picking up hormones, it would have continued to give you a high reading.
What tests are you using? Are you using FMU?
Using a different thermometer might give different readings - when did you change?
Minxi - just looked at your chart. Are you temping vaginally now? The chart looks much smoother than previous charts.
Again, I'm a bit ignorant on the CB Fertility monitor thingie, but is that what's affecting FF's interpretation? Is it normal for the H readings to continue on past supposed ovulation? Is it normal to not get any peak readings and what does it say in the manual about that? Have you tried using OPKs alongside the CB? Perhaps that would give you a more definite idea of OV.
Sorry I can't be more helpful minx. Although I would say that it looks like a definite ovulatory chart.
Lottie thanks lovely...just feeling a bit frustrated. Have just taken a few of the high readings out and it has interpreted ov as cd19 now....so obviously the monitor has an effect (cd19/20 was severe ov pains so maybe that is right?!)I'm wondering if my temps are more stable due to the accupuncture (and adopting a slightly more healthier lifestyle!) who knows. Still not hoohar temping but warming thermo in mouth for a few seconds before starting! So could be 3 or 10 DPO haven't a clue! Did have long chat with DH yesterday and we found we are both really quite about all of this expecially when the letter came through about the ivf. Said we would have to make a huge committment effort of making a plan of bd every other day from cd10 to cd26 for the next 3 months before we go the next route. Our bd is a bit erratic (he's away - although can be around more these days, its sometimes tiring making the effort and we're not getting any younger either) Oops sorry - waffling on
I lost my digi thermometer as the baby ran off with it on the evening of cd16 and we couldn't find it. We found it again on cd19 (night) and I temped using it on cd 20.
The Persona always give 2 egg signs (peak) indicating O in the next 12-24 hours. The OPK's were the CB digi ones.
Persona knows my cycle well and it never goes beyond cd32 which I am today. That is only when I O on cd20 though. Hence why i believe i have an LP of 11-12 days.
Well I guess she's here I had spotting yesterday and today, but strangely my temp went up this morning. I did have root canal yesterday so I guess it could be that I had a fever this morning? Can't tell if today is going to turn into full flow or not. It's only red when I have a BM other times it's just light pink. If it does that makes my LP only 8 days I hink I'm just so confused and sad about my cycle
Fingers still crossed for you Squack and congrats Tink!
Oh PrePg (hugs) to you. I really hope it isn't AF, but if it is, then I'm sure it's just your body still getting itself back to normal after everything that's happened.
Please don't despair - I'm sure if you had a 10/11 day LP before the MC, that it'll get back to how it was before. Be kind to yourself today, and take care. xx
Squack - cripes, now off to double check your chart again. Have you tested again this morning?
PrePg - hope you're okay and that there's been no more evidence of nasty AF.
High temp for me today but was out a'boozing last night. Haven't had ANY symptoms of anything yet... nada, zip, zilch. Although I think I can feel the obligatory sore bewbies coming on.
Squackster - your chart looks bloody good. I can't believe you haven't tested today. Just saw your qn about the temp drop but as it's now inched back up again, no worries there.
You've just got to be up the duff!! All those OV signs can't be wrong. The temp shift exactly matches too.
Nope Lottie I did an ebay cheep this morning and got nothing. Thought there was a pink line developing but it's an evap, looks too greyish iykwim.
Have some more so will test again tomorrow.
I do have a FR but I'm waiting until I could be 11 dpo (if late O) to use that which would be Wednesday.
If I am pg is it possible that it wouldn't show up on a urine test by now-16dpo?
If nothing turns +ve and I've got no period by the weekend I'll go to the GP and ask for a blood test I think. But surely something will have changed by then.
squack after doing this for more than a few cycles now - still don't understand or get it.... the first month which was last nov or dec I had the monitor, it showed 2 peak days... since then only high days and then goes to low... actually had high days for a few more days and up to day 24 it stays at ov on cd19 if I put in 2 more highs to cd26 then ff says I ov on cd26 which I definitely did not... cd19 I had all the symptoms cm and pains etc.. you can get pregnant with just highs though so I don't mind too much... just a bit weird. Although since doing accupuncture temps more regular as before temps were all over the place high low, so who knows what is going on....
Anyway thanks for the advice... hope its good news for you soon!!
Thanks for the well-wishes guys I'm still spotting, but it's gotten progressively heavier - pretty much light period this evening - and temp is sitting on the coverline this morning, so I'm officially out. It kind of sucks but I guess I'm looking forward to CD1.
I'm now utterly convinced that despite the monitor and OPK's I must not have surged enough to release the egg.
If I have O'd this month then I think cd25 must be it which will make me 9dpo and explain why I still don't have my period and I tested -ve again this morning, because it would simply be too early.
I caved and did a FR yesterday afternoon and it was negative.
Is there anything that could be wrong, other than pg, that delays a period?
I would say you're most likely 17dpo, poss 14 dpo....
Don't forget you could in theory conceive 2-3 days past ov, so even if it is 14 you could in reality be 11....
If it's 17 then it may be that you have some HCG (enough to stop period) but not enough to show on a test....so a chemical pregnancy could extend LP without a proper positive... (sorry just thinking of the possibilities...)
although I have to say my LP varies from 12 to 15 with no discernible reason....
Squack I have no idea what's going on I'm sorry it's so confusing for you. I can imagine a period being late, but an LP of 17 days is a bit OTT, especially when yours is normally 12...! You're only one day short of the 18 temps over the coverline rule - I'd make an appointment to see your GP.
AF is absolutely horrible today - I feel so groggy and crampy, like I'm hungover. I have a question though - I had three days of spotting before it came on heavily. The first of the three days started off light and then it got progressively heavier, but by the third day I still wasn't needing to change a panty liner pretty much all day. Would you count today as CD1? as today there's no mistaking that it's definitely my period.
First things first: (Hugs) to PrePg. I would count today as CD1, by the way. I count it as the first day where I need to use a tampon. Have you tried anything to extend your LP yet? My LP was always 10 days (had the occasional 12 day one just to get me excited), but since I've been taking Zita West's vits, last cycle was 12 days and the one before 11 days. I really do think your body is still adjusting after the MC - maybe see what happens with your LP this coming cycle... look after yourself today... isn't CD1 always just a horrible day?
Squack don't really have anything extra to say other than I feel your pain!
Fym - I didn't think you could conceive 2-3 days after ovulation? I thought the egg only survived for 12 hours after it had been released (why oh why do our bodies make the window of opportunity so bloody small?!)
I'm now 9 dpo (well, 10 if I hadn't fiddled around with FF to make it say what I wanted) and have started to feel those tell-tale twinges. Buggeration.
PrePg I would count today as cd1 {{hugs}}. Lottie I think I am 12DPO as I have cramps today...usually a tell tale sign... think we will be upping our committment to bd for 3-4 months before putting ourselves towards ivf...
on a different note my wii fit came today and its fab!! and its such a glorious day
Thanks, both. I'll be okay, just initial disappointment. Also in Sainsbury's yesterday had a bit of a wobble as I saw two women with little tiny bumps and thought they must be about 20 weeks or so, which is what I would've been this week
Lottie I took 100mg/day of B6 this month and was hoping it would lengthen my LP. I dont' know if it had any effect or just the effects of the mc were stronger? The month we did conceive, I was religious about the gym, so I think I need to get back into a really good routine.
Crikey PrePg - that would have made me do more than wobble. I think you're being incredibly brave considering what you've been through recently. I've got everything crossed for you that this next cycle sees you back to normal, with a longer LP, exercising regularly - and hopefully with a BFP at the end of it. Somehow, CD1 can feel like more of a relief... the spotting is when I'm all down and depressed because you just know it's over but hang on to any tiny shred of hope. By the time AF arrives you're just glad to draw a line under it and move onto future prospects.
Minxi - sorry to hear you have the cramps today too. HOw are you finding the acupuncture? How long do you sit there with the needles stuck in? I only had them stuck in for about 10 minutes when I was there. I have my next appointment this Friday, which may well be CD1 or CD2.
Goodness, you disappear for a few days and look what happens. Tink must be ecstatic.
Squack - I got a bit confused last month as according to FF I had ov'd on day 12 yet I seemed to get AF then on day 18dpo which seemed mightily long. I could only assume that FF had got it wrong although the symptoms and temps seemed right for ov. I don't know. I almost thought I might have to make a trip to the doctor but at least if you've made the appointment you'll either have come on by then or you can get a blood test...
Prepg hang on in there.....
Lottie have started hoo har temping and have found that my temps are about 0.3 - 0.5 degrees higher than orally but also that they are only about 0.1 degree different from day to day - so a less jaggedy chart. I know you're not supposed to hop out of bed, but I tend to get up and go for a pee and do it straight after (sorry TMI) so everyday I'm doing it the same. I think dh might get a bit fed up with me rummaging around under the duvet cover with the bleepy digital thermometer whilst he's trying to get his last 10mins in before getting up !!
Lottie the first week the needles were in for 20 minutes - the last 2 times about 45 minutes. I am going to try to go every week, have a another appointment this Thursday. I am going away for the whole 6 weeks of summer this year so will have to stop accupuncture for then, but at least will have a good idea of whether it is making or made any difference - i guess a positive test would show me that...
oh and for me it is a big thing to do as I hate needles - terrified, so when he says breathe in and then out - I feel like I don't breathe for about 10 minutes with the shock but I always fall asleep...so must be fairly relaxing unless for me I am always racing around so by the time I get there half an hour nap of an afternoon is fab
Oh Prepg sorry to hear you are very sad, you have every reason to be but you will be pregnant again soon I'm sure its only your body sorting itself out. positive vibes sending your way..
I think it's 12-48 hours that the egg is 'available' for fertilization.... but it's been a while since I looked this up. If using temping for contraceptive purposes you wait three days past ovulation then can BD again on the 4th day safely.
Feck. I'd just started to get ever-so-slightly excited that I had virtually no AF symptoms as of yet, and my mood had been unbelievably placid, when... my carpenter drops round this afternoon to help put a wall bracket up for our new tv, and then tells me part-way through that I've been sold the wrong bracket for the tv we've got. I have been in the foulest mood ever since, absolutely ridiculously flustered about having to try to get a new one and sort out the old one. Just checked with DP to see if he agrees that my mood seems to signify AF around the corner and he just looked straight at me and nodded. Bah.
Morning all. changed my screenname in hopes of it being true I'm really PrePG in disguise!
Squack I'm sorry she got you But I'm glad you're happy. Sometimes her arrival is a good thing in that at least your'e not confused anymore...So do you think you ovulated earlier than FF said you did and that's why your period was so late ? or, er, on time?!?!
My temps have been pretty weird lately. They seem to be neither very low pre-O nor very high pre-O. I think it's because lately I've been so worried about waking up to take my temp that I wake up several times before it's actually time. I didn't realize that just opening your eyes or leaning over to look at the clock could have an effect on your temp - but I think mine has. Right - need to get back on track this month. that means getting up in the morning at 7am to go to the gym so that I can be dead tired when I go to bed in the evening and not wake up before my alarm! Who needs a baby when I can't even sleep through the night myself!
I'll be up there at the top of the list in the next day or two, pretty convinced of that. Temp inching downwards, and I had the most unbelievable raging hormones last night... I skulked off to bed early thinking I was a danger to anyone in striking distance!
Sorry to see you at the top Squack - any idea why your LP was so much longer this time then?
Lastbox - love the new name. Everytime I chuck a huge box of Tampax into my trolley I wonder the same thing - in fact I often buy a packet just before AF in a vain attempt to double bluff my way into getting a BFP. If only it were that simple!
DP is getting his 3rd sample results today - and then we're being referred onto Kings. <gulp> Not quite sure what to think, other than I'm not sure I want us having anything to do with their ACU if the way they treat the men going in for samples is anything to go by!
Absolutely no clue as to the reason for the change in LP. I don't care either way tbh. Pleased it's come, but I'm in a furiously bad mood today.
I'm deciding not to chart this month I think. I don't think I can be bothered tbh. The cp the first month and mammoth stress of last month has put me off knowing.
I'm just going to 'not bother' and see if that makes a difference.
Actually last month may have been affected by the fact that I ran out of VitE and kept forgetting to go and get some more. IIRC when I had trouble conceiving dd, before taking the VitE, I had longer less predictable cycles too. It could be that I suppose.
I haven't been running in a long time it feels, probably because of the darker nights, but now it's much lighter I'll pull on my shoes and start up again. I always find it 'clears me out'. I also need to gain at least 3lbs before I hit my 'conception weight' if there is such a thing .
Like the new name too
Good Luck All! I'll check in to see all the bfp's I'm sure
squack good luck with the non temping and gaining weight (wish that was my problem)!!
Lottie hope Dp results are ok.
Lastbox funny name - actually when I was pg with ds1 and did't know - I was in boots and bought about 4 packs tampons / pads you name it (special offer) turned out didn't need them and they were left in the drawer for 10 months!
As for me no idea - if I am 13DPO then have no symptoms except cramps - although not today, yesterday and day before was very painful but all gone now and temp up again today.... if I put back in the monitor info it puts me at 7 DPO - I only use the monitor to see if there is a peak reading (only had one in December!) [confused] anyway - will give it a few days as there is normailly a sign of coloured cm when due on.... feel fine though!
Sorry I have been super busy and not around much... start my new job (finally!) on Monday, which means I will be here even less... but will be thinking of you all. Pop in when I can.
Hi Ready hope you are okay have missed you on this thread... hope the job goes well and I'm sure you are looking forward to your holiday! Hopefully you are nice and relaxed - is it a good time during hols - if so enjoy if not then still enjoy I am confused again this month so can't even say whats going on... Keep in touch x
Sorry to barge through, but may I ask a question about temping?
I've used this method to conceive 3 times, each time the first month of trying (yes, I am that girl you were warned about in Sex Education ). I'm now trying to conceive a second child and am having a very odd month.
Chart was normal, temp dip before ovulation as normal, ovulation test picked up LH surge bang on time, but no subsequent spike, just a light up and down rise. I'm having to discount loads of readings as I'm sleeping really badly at the moment.
Would people be willing to speculate on whether I simply haven't ovulated yet (now day 28 of 33 cycle) due to being a bit stressed or whether I'm not picking it up because of not being able to reliably take my temp?
Sorry if this sounds obvious (and waffly) but it's doing my head in.
nina2 it is possible for ovulation to 'stop' due to stress, so you can get all the signs then it dosn't happen. There is an example in the tcoyf book but I can't see one on the website. Do you have this book
Temp up this morning, although I did have a steroid injection into my foot last night at hospital so wondering whether that may have raised it. But obviously it led me to thinking perhaps, perhaps, perhaps... so did a CB Digital this morning - and a BFN. Ho hum.
Morning girls...temp drop for me - have put the highs back in with the monitor which shows I ovulated on cd26 so best stick with that as have no idea and there is no way I would get to be 14 DPO without a sign... so back to 7DPO strange cycles last couple of months, but hey ho what will be will be ! Hope everyone alright
Hello wise ladies, I hope you don't mind me butting in. I'm so confused about my chart. My temp appeared to drop below last month's coverline for the first time yday and then shot back up. Do you think I could have had a CP/the weather is increasing my temp/i'm just weird? . I got a BFN a few days a go (which I was expecting).. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. My chart is here Squack [waves]
Fym Thanks. No i'm temping as normal . Would be typical of me to OV twice in one month and still not get pg!! I have 1 more CB digi upstairs. Do you think I should sit it out for another couple of days?
and no computer at home. Will be sorting out a laptop eventually, just don't want my dpo climbing to a ridiculous number while I'm away.
I'm just so confused and sad about my cycle 
