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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:35:59
I've started a new thread as the old one was full - hope everyone finds their way here OK.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ktmoomoo on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:36:33
wats this thread about xx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:37:17
Quarkee - yes, children can eat carob - ds likes having stripy yoghurt sometimes, or some on his breakfast, or a milkshake. He thinks of it as a treat. And its not bitter like chocolate, so you don't need to add any sugar.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:37:58
KTmoomoo - those of us that are ttc following mc...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:41:48
Is it from a healthfood shop? Will go look for it on Wednesday...glad you restarted the thread mistle I did the same gbut have posted to say come onto this one instead - we must have crossed posts smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:53:51
Yes - usually available in wholefood/healthfood shops - not sure about H&B. You can get bars like chocolate, but the healthiest way of adding it to your diet for the benefits is to get the powder. Be warned though, very fine powder, so it tends to go everywhere! I keep it in a box with a tight fitting but easily removed lid otherwise you spill it each time you get some out (I know this from experience!)

Sorry about xpost - hope everyone makes it.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:56:44
hello,
I found you all!

Af due tomorrow or Wednesday . I need someone to talk me out of testing...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:06:18
Well you could test, cece, but then if it's not positive you'll have to test again. And with the money you saved on the test you could buy cake. And if that's not a good reason I don't know what is.

I know it's hard, but you'll feel proud of yourself if you wait. And we'll all hang out with you while you test at the end the week grin.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:14:14
Paint your fingernails cece then you wont want to smudge the polish!!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By sweetkitty on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:16:10
hello just seen the new thread and I haven't been on here in a while

27+4 weeks today and counting smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:17:19
hello ladies, thought would rejoin you!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:31:18
HI all! Found you!

quarkee hoping your AF shows up soon too! I'm really impressed with my body for getting back on track so quickly.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:36:19
2ww for me (well, more like 1ww now) and symptom spotting like anything, which isn't like me...blush Can't decide whether I'm feeling sick on and off today for the obvious reason that diet started today and I'm trying to get it off to a good start with fruit for a week, or whether its something else!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:39:06
mistlethrush <lissie peers over glasses> no early testing! i shall be watching you ladies...
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:52:29
No, not got as far as considering that yet! Last time it was 3days after before I tested (and had to check on MN for confirmation of date blush)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:53:21
Found you all!!

Great news PrePG on your first cycle, good luck! I am still waiting for AF although I think I am ovulating...early days though.

mistlethrush how is the will power going? Loved daisyj's logic, sums it up perfectly...

Anyone for some chocolate hobnobs? (Quick - take one before I finish the whole packet...)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 16:57:35
Will power holding firm - both on diet and tests! So far had an orange and a banana for breakfast and two small apples, some grapes and a banana for lunch. Will have to cut out the bananas soon though!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Mon 14-Apr-08 17:50:53
Notsonew I think I ovulated at the weekend too - prepg, good girl, we're right behind you (I hope)!

quarkee excellent idea. Particularly if you use bottom coat and top coat and two layers. That should distract you for nearly half an hour, cece!

I can't concentrate at work AT ALL today. Which is why I'm on here so much. I think it's cos of bd'ing without contraception at the weekend that I'm baby-obsessed today. And now I don't know whether I'm waiting for AF to appear or not to appear (iyswim). Which could be a good reason to wait for your first AF before ttc. Hmmm, silly Daisy blush.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Mon 14-Apr-08 18:12:27
Daisy and notsonew thanks! and congrats on your O'ing this weekend!!!! grin hooray for our bodies!!!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Mon 14-Apr-08 18:13:02
hi all,
just got AF today sad angry
need to make some drastic changes i think. DH and i had heated discussion, which led to me soing some big thinking.
Have piled on the pounds since miscarriage, was so low that food seemed the only thing worth getting out of bed for.
the problem is, even with the prospect of getting pregnant it doesnt seem to be kicking my butt into gear to lose weight. Dont know why...it's all i want!
But i do know that losing the weight can only help in our quest to have a baby. smile
I hate when DH is right.
more thinking, then actually doing seems to be the next step. We have now agreed that we will both kick each other into shape (not literally!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cricri on Mon 14-Apr-08 18:24:54
Hello everybody,
Just seen the new thread and wanted to say hi to everybody and good luck for those of you testing in the next couple of days smile
Sorry to see that new people have had to join, but you'll get the support you need here (plus lots of cake!).
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 18:37:16
lou ikwym re food hence the piles of virtual goodies on offer here smileHi to everyone - do you like our new home?

I too comfort eat but heard something this weekend that made me stop and think - it was a woman who comfort ate and she said that the stupid thing was that while she ate to feel better it NEVER made her feel better. Suddenly one day the penny dropped that she was getting no comfort so why bother with the overeating at all. It is so logical that i cant get it outof my head - hasn't made a jot of difference re what i east so far but it is something I am pondering.

My other wake up call this weekend was when DH revealed he is now only 5kg heavier than me (I am not huge btw, more DH has lost a lot of weight recently and is now pretty skinny)I was (am) blush and this has made me a bit more determnied to lose a few more pounds - 5kg would be excellent.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Mon 14-Apr-08 20:04:41
hello ladies - boy it has been busy here! have been away for 4 days and there's so much to catch up on! nice new thread thanks mistle for starting it. don;t you hate the 2ww? esp. the last week when you start thinking hmmm maybe i can do an early test today...?

kate i am so shocked and sorry to see you here. i remember you from here when we both thought we were having an mc in jan (i did have an mc in the end). i cannot believe what you have gone through to this point. as someone mentioned, there is nothing i can say that will make you feel better but my thoughts are with you. thomas is a lovely name, and i hope you find the support you need in RL as well as on here. no one should have to go through what you are going through now. take lots of care of yourself. sending you big <<<hugs>>>

i cant remember who asked me about my long af - but the spotting finally stopped on cd13!!! longest ever!

scully that sounds like what i went through with my second mc at weeks. was in the office and chatting to colleague when gush of blood - to the point it was running down my tights! had to bid hasty retreat to the loos! to be safe, you should go to doctors to check there's no infection. the heavy bleeding continued until i had acupuncture the next day and it pretty much stopped the bleeding to the level of spotting. hence why i am such a fan!

sorry to see you go emmsy and georgiegirl but totally understand - mn is very addictive!

hi to everyone else and newcomers.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Mon 14-Apr-08 20:36:20
Hi bunny - the af length question was from me. I'm still spotting on cd14 - think it is coming to an end though (mind you I thought that last Monday too!)

scully hope your bleeding has settled now. What did your Dr say?

Mistle can you make the carob powder into a hot chocolate type drink?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Mon 14-Apr-08 21:03:12
Yeah! I found you all! I've made custard and stewed rubarb - yum yum! Who wants some? Cream!?

Kate - if it wasn't on the due Nov 08 thread I'm baffled where I read your goings on - maybe someone mentioned it on that thread and I 'researched'you...hmm

Within the last week someone mentioned working for themselves and therefore having the time to do what you want to do when you need to do it... listen to my day...at the minute my business has been only going since Aug 07...I work alone...today I've been mummy, driver/courier, stock controller, photographer, buyer, accountant/book-keeper, tea maker, cleaner, excel document formula person... and it's now 9pm and I could keep on going if I didn't decide to stop! I really work longer now, however, I enjoy it!

Anyone watching 'Half Man Half Tree...Extraordinary People' on channel Five? I'm away to watch in awe! Weird. What is this?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Mon 14-Apr-08 21:05:38
Cece - also if you don't test and you wait and wait and you are pregnant you'll be further on and therefore less time to worry! I'm not going to test until I haven't had an AF for at least 2 months... that's my PLAN, but secretly I know I'll test!! Not very good at persuading you am I???!! GO ON DO IT!!grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By AliciaJohns on Mon 14-Apr-08 21:27:17
Hi everyone, I posted briefly on the last thread but have had horrid week and not been on MN and now it's disappeared!!!

Finally had proper mc at 10 weeks last tues - was having contractions so had a bath, decided instinctively to push and the whole sac came out plus a load of blood and lining.. sorry if TMI.. was happy I had gone for natural mc because in a way it was like giving birth and it was quite peaceful. Went to hospital for scan and it is definitely complete so once this bleeding stops (which it pretty much has) will be ttc again.

Thought I was doing ok but now the bleeding is stopping I think my hormone levels are plunging and I'm starting to really feel the loss. I want to be pg again but I want the baby I lost, I know that's silly because I can't have it, it's gone. sad sad

divedaisy, my plan is to test, but not tell anyone - even dh, cos I would hate him to have to go through this again and he has a lot on his plate at the moment with work and stuff. However I can see this plan going slightly awry as I am rubbish at keeping secrets, especially my own. grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 21:35:49
Divedaisy I think I've got some room for rhubarb and cyber-custard! Bet you'll test before that!

Eli - yes, fine with milk - ds has cold milkshake just mlik with a 1/2 tsp carob powder (or more or less) shaken up.. Hot drink - warm milk, add carob, nice to add a little honey perhaps, although not particularly necessary.

Diet gone to plan so far - added tomatoes, but they're fruit aren't they!

Lou - do you want to join me - I've only got a day's start on you!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Mon 14-Apr-08 21:50:17
Alicia - im so sorry. it is completely normal to want your baby back. I said it so many times to DH. Especially having got to ten weeks.sad I was 11 weeks so can really relate, although I had to be hospitalised as my cervix would not open. Just keep talking to each other about it, and on here when dh cant be there.grin remember you are never alone! And when people say anything that upsets you about MC just think to yourself, "they just dont know what the right thing is to say" I had a friend tell me it was for the best as the baby wasnt strong enough to survive anyway.
It may be true but it certainly wasnt what i needed to hear a week after the MC!! angry sad

Mistle i will join you yes please - DH is going away for 3 days for work, the timing sucks! Need some friendly support. grin

Hope everyone else is doing as well as poss. just got to keep getting up every morning... smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Mon 14-Apr-08 22:08:08
hi ebb sorry i forgot it was you - by the time i found this new thread, my memory had fled! actually, now that you mention it, i noted that i stopped at cd13, had a spot free day, then had some big spots on cd 15 finally ended that day i think.. dont trust my memory anymore... hope yours stops soon. it's so annoying! but at least it seems to be common amongst some of us hmm

daisy it was me who was fantasizing about working for myself. actually what i should have said is i dream about winning the lottery very soon one day, so that i can loll around and do whatever i want, whenever i want (dont we all!) good on you though - a true eg of a multitasking woman!

sorry to hear what you are going through alicia hope you feel better soon x it does get better with time, but at the time it doesnt feel like it ever will. just know that your feelings are valid.

cece don't test don't test don't test (if you chant that over and over again, you may be able to delay testing by one day at least) grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Mon 14-Apr-08 22:10:13
ps mollie are you there - hope you are all right x
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 22:14:37
Lou - so what is your plan then? I have to be rather drastic - which is why the fruit only for a week - will add some veg and the odd bit of rice and low fat yog next week. I have done WW before, but the problem is that I can put weight on if I eat the 'right' number of points which is rather hmm Will try to avoid wheat for quite some time.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Mon 14-Apr-08 22:49:46
hey all found the new thread

kate so sorry to hear what's happened I remember you from before.

alicia sorry you had to join us

i'm actively ttc now as my first due date was the 5th may and its coming up thick and fast. i'm feeling a strong need to be pregnant as i'm sure many of you will understand. That and my best friends due mid june it's going to be so horrid if i'm not pregnant by then
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Mon 14-Apr-08 22:54:27
hey all found the new thread

kate so sorry to hear what's happened I remember you from before.

alicia sorry you had to join us

i'm actively ttc now as my first due date was the 5th may and its coming up thick and fast. i'm feeling a strong need to be pregnant as i'm sure many of you will understand. That and my best friends due mid june it's going to be so horrid if i'm not pregnant by then
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Mon 14-Apr-08 23:32:30
I don't knwo about you all - either I've too much on my mind, or I'm suffering from an inability to remember what's going on - but I am finding it very hard to keep up with all your stories - what's happened to whom, who's actively ttc etc etc. I'm constantly scrolling up and down trying to remember what's going on!!!

alicia - sorry to hear what's happened. Though it seems to have gone in a way that comforted you (if that's the right way to put it??) - it was peaceful. It's really understandable you feel the loss. You need to grieve, so give yourself the 'permission' to do so. I chose not to MC naturally as I didn't think I could've coped with either the physical or the emotional pain. I had a ERPC which went well, and apart from some discomfort post-op and tired for a few days, I haven't had any bleeding, nor have I had any bad emotional episodes and for that I am grateful. Maybe I'm one of those people who says the wrong thing - I'm sorry if I've upset you.xx

Anyhow, I'm always promising myself an early night so I'm going NOW!! Nitey nite.xx And for those of you who are getting jiggy - good luck!!!wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Tue 15-Apr-08 04:11:06
Divedaisy, that's the only way I read mn, especially with the time difference, I have a day or 2 to catch up on each time I get back here wink
Haven't seen you around for a while Aquababe, how are you?
Thanks for the carob tip Mistle, didn't know it was good for iron so will give it a go, for the dd's as well as neither of them manages to have much iron in their diets.
Hi again Alicia, we've 'bumped' into each other on the other thread as well. I would have been 11wks yesterday and had the main part of my m/c yesterday, so understand how you feel sad Crap isn't it, and there's nothing you can do but give yourself time.
We have always managed to do a test and keep it secret until at least 10wks. Usually tell 1 or 2 friends, as it's nice to have someone to share things with, but otherwise, everyone, including family, waits until we've had a scan. Certainly couldn't keep it from dh though, he would realise very quickly something was up wink
Have you managed to step away from the tests Cece?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Tue 15-Apr-08 08:32:56
divedaisy - I htink that is my plan, not test too early as then I have less time to worry!

*Alicia Johns*,
after my first mc when I got pg with Hope I didn't tell DH till I was 10 weeks blush He was stressed with his job and so on and I wanted to be past the 9 week mark when I mc the first time. But it was very stressful keeping it to myself. I had a bleed at 9 weeks and went to EPU alone. A few days later I told him. He knew there was something going on but thought I was having an affair! LOL

Kate - when are you going into hospital? I hope all goes as well as it can for you. After the first tablet, my waters broke about 4 hours later and I started contracting straight away so I never got the pessaries that bring on the labour. But Hope had already died a day or two before so it is a different situation. I spent several hours with Hope before we left the hospital and I have found that a great comfort. I also have photos that I look at occasionaly. I will be thinking of you, DH and Thomas.

bunny scully and anyone else who kept me away I have not tested yet! Think I OV later this month so 14 days later would be this Thursday... Although due af today or tomorrow iyswim. Trying to hold out as long as possible. I have started to worry already. Worked out if pg this month the baby would be due 1 week after Hope's birthday and I will be 18 weeks when on holiday in Spain so not good plannning sad
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Tue 15-Apr-08 08:45:07
Cece I know where you're coming at re birthdays/edd - I was so glad when ds didn't come 2 wks early and left it to just 1week early - also, by doing this he managed to avoid April Fools day which was good grin

Feeling queasy again this morning, but stalwartly putting it down to change in diet!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By AliciaJohns on Tue 15-Apr-08 13:45:50
divedaisy you've not upset me at all! I think if I had gone for ERPC I would probably have found something to comfort me there as well. You have to try to make the best of a bad situation however you choose to approach it!

Cece am impressed with your willpower! How long are you going to leave it before you test?

I have stopped bleeding now pretty much. Do any of you chart basal temperatures - any idea how soon you can start charting reliably after a mc?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Tue 15-Apr-08 13:55:27
Alicia There's a Tempers thread around here somewhere! Come visit us. I started temping as soon as my bleeding stopped. For me it felt like I was 'doing something' positive, and it really helped me make sense of my chart. It turns out I did O, but I would've never guessed it judging from CM or anything else. Also helped me to know when AF was coming adn made me relax a bit as I knew my body was bouncing back after the mc. Temps were slightly all over the place, but I was still able to pinpoint O using Fertily Friend. Hope that helps!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Tue 15-Apr-08 14:14:01
Welcome alicia very sorry tohear about your mc. I was interested to read about your mc in the bath...when I miscarried (Also 10 weeks, but the baby was only 6 weeks) I was in the shower. I had previously read a post from someone who miscarried in the shower and thought it was very odd...now it makes sense. The warmth helps with the pain and the water helped with the mess (sorry if TMI)

I hope the hormones settle down - I also went 'loopy' about 9 days after the miscarriage, mood swings that made my DH very nervous grin it did settle down after a few days.

cece so when are you aiming at doing a test? It is amazing that you managed to keep it your pregnancy a secret from your DH for so long...mine would guess within minutes of me buying the test (Probably from me waving the test around)!! Although I can't imagine dealing with the stress of the EPU alone...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Tue 15-Apr-08 19:15:30
mistle
Dont know at the mo, could use some ideas if you have any. I have PCOS, although am better than i was, and borderline underactive thyroid, so I feel a bit like a fat magnet. It sticks to me and hates coming off!!! wink
Am doing WW although have fallen by the wayside in the last few weeks. sad
I think chocolate is part of my issue although i did successfully give it up for lent!grin
Think i will not worry till AF finishes then work very hard on eating properly.hmm
i did lose 3 stone before i got married so somehow i have to get that mentality back. I was a small size 14(UK) then which was amazing...
Anybody got any ideas feel free - grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Tue 15-Apr-08 22:11:45
Lou - I've also done ww, but have to get down to 14 points to lose weight at the increadible rate of 1/2 lb a week if I'm lucky... which is why I'm giving my diet a really good start at the beginning - aiming to lose a stone in a month... just got the rest to go then! I'll never be 'slim' - or low on the OK BM range, but being closer to it would be really good, I'm really down on my appearance at the moment. And I've not bought any new decent clothes for ages on the basis that I want to lose some weight first, so I've got nothing nice to wear to make me feel better either!

I don't have the chocolate problem as I'm allergic to it (violently) - I just probably eat a little too much most days and then have a real struggle getting anything off again.

So, do you want to join me and see how much we can lose?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Tue 15-Apr-08 22:18:10
ok mistle i need some kind of help! I *know that losing weight can only help in the baby quest... Let's do it! xx grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 09:28:57
Lou - so what's your plan then? Doing OK on kick start week and, as usual, amount of fruit I'm eating decreasing daily without much effort. But I realise that we've got a company 'do' on Thursday so will have to be imaginative with the menu. Probably end up with salad (which will be a real treat!) and get them to not dress it and bring some balsamic vinegar out (yum yum yum) smile. I suppose that I'm lucky in that at least I love eating fruit and veg!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:22:53
Morning everyone how are you all? Hello to everyone just joined - sorry you had to seek the thread out.

Lots going on on the thread smile in honour of WW my offering today is a big bowl of no points soup - slurp it up! It works definatley, i lost over 3st with ww a few years ago (have put on abotu a stone thouh blush) Can I join you? I think I need help re chocolate, i read thethread this mornig eating a chocolate biscuit bar - not a good start to the day eh?

I am expecting my first af since mc probably Friday or over the weekend (great timing, maybe thats why I wanted the choc?) so just want to get it over with so we can ttc 'properly' - i am impatient at the best of times so this is pure torture grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:29:36
Quarkee snap, lost 3.5st with ww quite some time ago - but then mc, mp, pregancy - got quite a bit of weight off about 18mo after that, mc, lost weight last summer, mc... So got to start again from scratch! I'm quite happy doing it - I object to the cost though, so trying to do it myself this time.

Still have my 'slim' (well, slimmer!) clothes and want to get back into them and feeling a bit better about my body. Doubt it will ever be the same again after ds though!

I've had an orange and a small apple this morning. So doing OK. Managed to eat all of them this morning rather than ds deciding that fruit is better than his breakfast and eating mine instead (then taking his breakfast to eat at nursery, with toast to follw...)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:30:28
Any one for cyber buterscotch icecream - could do with a tub quite happily, but probably enough to share?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:46:35
well I didn't hold out very well and tested.

BFN

But after about 8 mins I am sure I saw an evaporation line - so faint though that DH couldn't see it! LOL TTC is sending me mad.

1st sign talking to yourself
2nd sign looking for hairs on the back of your hand
3rd sign looking for non existant lines on HPT!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:49:01
cece, what CD are you on?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:53:42
hello everyone, loving the weightloss discussions(I should be paying attention) but too busy enjoying my calorie-laden hot chocolate to join in just yet...anyone fancy some? Extra cream on top? Chocolate Sprinkles?

I have to admit that I just need to vent - I am so angry and disappointed (And probably being completely overly-sensitive...I admit)

When we fell pregnant - we told both sets of parents and my brother (Our families all live abroad). When I miscarried (3 weeks ago, at 10 weeks) we told our parents and I know that my brother knows, as he was at my mothers house when I called to tell her. Since the miscarriage I have heard nothing at all from my brother - no 'sorry to hear your news' or 'get well soon'...absolutely nothing. We received endless texts and emails from my DH's family (My MIL can't keep a secret and had blabbed to everyone and their neighbour) - you know the type of messages you get, well meaning but misguided and at times insensitive well-wishes...but nothing from my Brother.

Last weekend I mentioned (in passing, it wasn't a big 'moan') to my Mum that I hadn't heard from my brother in a while. Yesterday he sent me quite a long email, going on about what a 'rough time' he is having lately as his car roof is damaged and he has decided to move jobs, also that he is very busy planning his wedding. There was absolutely NO mention of the baby we lost or the fact that it had been a tough time for us.

I don't want a ten page email commiserating the miscarriage, or a years supply of flowers...but just a general acknowledgement of what we went through and what we lost would be nice. Just a simple: 'I am sorry' before moving onto moaning about the paintwork on his car...angry

I can't trust myself to reply to him...I am tempted to write something completely inappropriate like: 'Sorry to hear that you've been so busy. We are doing OK after we lost our baby and I was discharged from hospital. Thanks for asking...'

One of the annoying things about living on the other side of the world is that ignoring him is rather ineffective hmm

Anyway...sorry...I do feel better now that I have that off my chest. Are you sure that I can't tempt anyone with a Hot Chocolate?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:54:01
Ha! I'm being a lot stronger willed - although possibly longer to go (expecting af Mon/Tues next week?) still feeling queasy though....

You see, you could have bought a whole tub of icecream if you hadn't tested...grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:57:14
NSNA - I think a text to that effect would be just right. Does he do sarcasm - could get quite interesting if he does... "I'm so sorry to hear what an awful time you're having with your car - and your job on top of it - I can't think of anything worse to be going through at the moment." type lines... grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Wed 16-Apr-08 10:59:50
lissielou - CD 32

mistlethrush - it was only a cheapie test so don't feel to extravagant. I have two tubs of icecream sitting in the freezer (along with 6 packs of fish fingers and 2 bags of french fry oven chips - the Tesco delivery man made a very pointed comment about fish fingers...) ready for DD's birthday party on Sunday. smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Wed 16-Apr-08 11:03:25
Good one Mistlethrush ...he does sarcasm, I think he invented it!!

I am annoyed with myself for allowing myself to get angry and upset over juvenile 'sibling' issues...

Cece - sorry about the BFN! What DPO are you?

I do think that Stage 4 of 'TTC madness' should be symptom spotting on CD 3 or 4. How many times have I been convinced that I had PG symptoms, only to remember that I hadn't actually O'd yet!! (I did exactly that on Monday!!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 11:11:55
I've not symptom spotted for AGES! Not been any point - and didn't realise that I was pregant last autumn until was thinking af must be due and checking mn and finding out it was 3 days over due.... blush
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Wed 16-Apr-08 11:16:55
cece sorry about the BFN, but if it makes you feel any better, I don't think you're at all mad. Mad is whoever started the 'I took the HPT APART because I wanted to really make sure there wasn't a line somewhere' thread shock Sorry if that was anyone here! wink

And LOL about the Stage 4, NSNA! and sorry you're brother is being weird. I also live in a different country than my family - my brother and I don't talk that often, but he'll call every once in a while. He hasn't since the mc, but my mother's told me he doesn't really know what to say. I can totally understand and it doesn't bother me because I know how he feels. I would imagine your brother might be similar. I know it hurts that he sent a big long email about all of his problems, but well, I don't think guys really get it. I think it's one thing if it's their partner going through mc or if they've been through it before, but I think it's hard for men to understand in general. That probably doesn't make you feel any better, but I think I would just chalk it up to that if it were my brother. Don't let it upset you. Hope you're feeling better! {{hugs}}
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Wed 16-Apr-08 11:25:59
notsonewanymore,

After your comments about your brother I have just realised that my sister hasn't mentioned my mc (at 18 weeks) or sent a card or anything shock
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Wed 16-Apr-08 11:26:34
Oh and I htink I OV a bit later this month so probably about DPO 13
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 12:14:05
Cece - sorry about your sister - whilst brothers do have a bit of an excuse (being blokes) you would have thought that sisters would have 'got' it a bit more.

Although, when I went back to work after mc in my previous company, the only person that spoke to me and said they were sorry etc was a male colleague who was younger than me - I was shock at none of the other women mentioning and also shock at how mature and caring this younger man was (he is lovely)(although much too young for me blush).

Yes, I think you are a bit ahead of me - probably about 10dpo for me! Suddenly getting cold feet about the whole thing and thinking that perhaps we ought to just keep to the one fantastic one we have rather than rock the boat, and however we would manage to afford a 2nd (going private school route - 1 is bad enough!)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Wed 16-Apr-08 12:26:02
cece sorry you got a BFN. I have no will power when it comes to testing. I bought 20 cheapie (but quite sensitive)early tests for £5 so that I could test whenever I felt like it! I only get a BFP 16 days after the last bd (I don't temp so wouldn't know what DPO that is) but this doesn't stop me from testing earlier!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Wed 16-Apr-08 13:46:55
Hello all

Yesterday was our edd and we survived it OK, which surprised me really as had been dreading it and in fact the world didn't actually end. Actually feels like a new start.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 13:57:38
Hi Claire - glad you can think that way, great positive way forward smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Wed 16-Apr-08 14:11:13
ClairePO - so good that you feel that way - it's a real hurdle and to have overcome it feeling positive is a major achievement.

cece and NSNA - sorry about the rubbish siblings. After a friend of mine mc'd, her sister was apparently p*ed off that she didn't go to her hen night a week later shock. Seemingly there is no accounting for people's behaviour...

I have a question. After bd'ing on Saturday I now have occasional mild period-like cramps (m/c bleeding ended two weeks ago), like the implantation cramps that I had the first time around. I'm sure this is just wishful thinking on my part, and just something to do with the physical healing process, but it's freaking me out a bit. Anyone else here ever got pg without waiting for af?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Wed 16-Apr-08 14:14:50
daisy I know plenty of people IRL and online who have gotten PG without having a period first. There's nothing to suggest that you're at any higher risk of it happening again. In fact, I recently read that an embryo has a better chance of implanting because your lining is fresh.

Good luck!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 16-Apr-08 14:26:21
Daisy - join me for symptom spotting and the 2ww!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Wed 16-Apr-08 14:27:52
Just reading down,sorry about your BFN cece*

*NASA
I had pretty much exactly the same thing with my brother, had told parents and siblings, then when we lost at 9 weeks my mum passed on news. One brother and his wife said sorry next time I spoke, the other brother didn't even acknowledge. I emailed him about him getting drunk a few weeks later and his response, my first contact from him, was vitriolic about my mum having told me about him being drunk. Not even a 'how are you' or a 'hello' even.
I still feel upset about it now.

daisy that sounds promising, fingers crossed for you.

OMG I saw some diet chat further down, I need to get myself back on my diet after the weekend away but I want cake. And I had a mars bar for brekkie.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Wed 16-Apr-08 14:51:38
I just bought everyone an apple cake bar from M&S. They're really nice and light and delicious!

Thanks PrePG, mistle and claire. It would be too good to be true, and my boobs aren't hurting (or growing) yet, which they did immediately last time, but I'll definitely join you mistle - I'm going to buy some tests today (but not going to test till the 2 May - I got PG 14 Jan and tested 2 Feb last time, and I'm superstitious!) xx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Wed 16-Apr-08 16:34:03
thanks scully, been ok, but rowing a bit with dh about my being a bit insular. seems to have smoothed that out.

Clare so glad you go past your edd so positively gives me hope.

Sorry for those rubbish siblings. mine have been ok, but I usually bring the subject up. The best one has been my 19yr old brother
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:18:16
thanks scully, been ok, but rowing a bit with dh about my being a bit insular. seems to have smoothed that out.

Clare so glad you go past your edd so positively gives me hope.

Sorry for those rubbish siblings. mine have been ok, but I usually bring the subject up. The best one has been my 19yr old brother
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:20:10
So who here felt really down during their first period post-mc? Maybe it's just a coincidence, I'm not really sure, but I just can't stop reliving the whole thing lately sad The doctor's face when he was looking at the scan, telling my parents, spending the day on the sofa with DH - every time I think about it all, I just have to choke back tears. I just can't shake the feeling. I should be happy that we're getting to move on and will be able to TTC again.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:28:36
thanks scully, been ok, but rowing a bit with dh about my being a bit insular. seems to have smoothed that out.

Clare so glad you go past your edd so positively gives me hope.

Sorry for those rubbish siblings. mine have been ok, but I usually bring the subject up. The best one has been my 19yr old brother
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:35:53
hmm not sure what happened there.

prepreg know what you mean about re-living every tiny detail. on both mine that first post mc period was the worst, but every subsequent one has brought back memories and tears
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By aquababe on Wed 16-Apr-08 17:40:05
hmm not sure what happened there.

prepreg know what you mean about re-living every tiny detail. on both mine that first post mc period was the worst, but every subsequent one has brought back memories and tears
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Wed 16-Apr-08 18:49:17
cece sorry re bfn - IKWYM re phantom lines - I kept on taking my HPT out of the bin to check it just in case a line appeared - ironically a few days later it did and i WAS pg hmm

Daisy and mistle can I join you? I am only unofficially symptom spotting as i havent been doing any counting or anything but you never know. Every time I catch myself checking or imagining symptoms I try to stop it as I cant believe it would happen so fast - I havent had AF yet either so it would be a quick turnaround. I keep waiting for a metallic taste as that was v strong with DS and also last time...dont want to tempt fate. IKWYM mistle re cold feet - I did that when i was pg but now I feel a bit guilty for worrying when all I want is to be pg again. Cant win either way.

Well done clare onwards and upwards
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Wed 16-Apr-08 18:54:38
NSNAM I hadnt even told my brother I was pg so havent had to put him straight (he's living abroad). My sisters have been lovely though. It really is almost a taboo subject though isnt it?

Can I ask for some advice now please? I am supposed to be going to a lunch tomorrow for a girl at work who is going off on maternity leave - part of me wants to go (she's nice, I dont want to be a party pooper) but part of me is not too keen as there'll be loads of 'when r u going to have another' chat and general baby talk. What do I do? Was thinkning of going for the main course and ducking out early if it gets tto upsetting. What do you think??
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Wed 16-Apr-08 20:22:19
quarkee - that sounds entirely reasonable, do they know at work what happened? If so then you def could do main course and then go. people would understand im sure. and if they dont know, then you still shouldn't feel bad about leaving a bit early if you get upset, it is really hard to sit through baby talk... sad

It's the "everybody in the world is pregnant except me" thing for me at the moment. I'm sure they are all following me around! It's a conspiracy to make me cry in public! wink
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lou2311 on Wed 16-Apr-08 20:34:24
Mistle
Have decided to try something similar to you. Kind of a detox is probably a good idea. Feel so bloated all the time and my tummy is never happy! (sorry blush TMI!)

Would also really like to try reflexology, as have been wanting to for ages! Does anybody have any opinions/ideas/experience either way about reflexology and fertility?

NSNA shock at your brother! Mine did not know what to say but gave me a hug and said sorry, and that meant a lot to me. It's just the acknowledgment isn't it.

clare - my EDD wasn't as bad as i thought either. we decided to go away for a few days over that date and it was good because although we thought about the babe, we were just enjoying some alone time together away from the 'normal' routines of life. I just didnt want it to be just another day for me. Also good that DH has understanding boss! smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Thu 17-Apr-08 07:20:41
EDD's aren't great are they. I was luckily enough to find out we were pregnant the week I should have been due, but that 2nd pregnancy was my latest m/c so that didn't work out either. But at least for that week I
was happy
Internet connection was playing up for the last 2 days so can't remember all the conversations, but hello anyway
Good luck with the weight loss, I need to join you to lose about 5kg, but to be honest, can't be arsed right now wink
Probably shouldn't stop at the shop on the way home from the vet to pick up a bottle of wine, but I will be grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Thu 17-Apr-08 07:35:03
lou that is just what we did, go away for a few days and like you say it was nice and meant we could actually spend the day together.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Thu 17-Apr-08 08:33:01
Quarkee - its a difficult position isn't it. Does the person going on maternity leave know that you've had a mc. If so, the easiest way on you might be to see her before and wish her well and explain that you're not very comfortable with baby talk at the moment and that you don't want to end up in tears at her lunch and throw a bucket of cold water on the whole proceedings. Otherwise, make an early exit and hope that the conversations are not too hard. Good luck.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Thu 17-Apr-08 08:33:55
This feels as though we're all in a room and we're all having conversations with different people and chipping in and talking over people. Very noisy isn't it!grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By MollieMooma on Thu 17-Apr-08 09:20:48
Hi guys, sorry I haven't been on in a while, not been feeling too good. Went to the GP yesterday, she was very supportive and diagnosed reactive depression, she's sending me for some counselling and we discussed medication, but she feels that the less medication I'm on when ttc the better and I don't want to go down that route just yet. Taking a couple of months off MN and active TTC but I will probably lurk for a bit as it's kinda addictive. Thanks for all the yummy food, support, advice and big ears to listen and shoulders to cry on it's been much appreciated. Good luck to you all and lots of baby dust to those ttc now and in the future, hope to see you all again soon
x x x x
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Thu 17-Apr-08 09:39:41
MollieMooma sorry you're feeling sad. Its very difficult isn't is.

All I can say is that the Chineese Herbalist/accupuncture person that I go to helped me hugely. Yes, the herbs were really :P and stewing them up made the whole house smell horrid, but they helped me to get back onto a more even keel iykwim. I also feel that she might have helped on the ttc route too. Might be worth a try.

Hope that you feel better soon.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Thu 17-Apr-08 09:51:51
This thread is moving so fast!

quarkee it is a tough decision on the lunch, I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to be the party pooper and really liking the person going on Maternity leave. Could you explain to her that you are really not comfortable with the group lunch (and explain why?) but could perhaps do a nice cup of coffee or smaller lunch with just the two of you? Where the pressure of being in the group (And the subsequent insensitive or un-informed comments might be less?

lou I have just had my second reflexology session and cannot recommend it highly enough. It is too early to tell if it has done anything for ttc just yet - but it has definitely improved my general health and at my session last night she said I was about to ovulate...good news! I also find it really relaxing and good for lowering those ever present stress levels.

mollie sorry you are feeling so down but good for you on seeking out medical advise. Take the time you need to deal with the emotions and hopefully the rest will follow. I hope you have a good break from MN and look forward to hearing from you again soon.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Thu 17-Apr-08 11:48:12
Mollie sorry you are so down. Hope things get better soon, take it easy and will miss you.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Thu 17-Apr-08 12:51:24
Mollie sorry that you are feeling down. Take care of your self and hope to hear from you soon.

prepg AF hormones can get you down at the best of times. IMO AF is a physical reminder of what you've just been through every time you go to the loo. Makes sense that it could trigger painful memories.

Claire glad you got through the edd ok.

Daisy mistle and quarkee good luck on your 2ww
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Thu 17-Apr-08 15:22:14
Thanks ellie

Mollie so sorry to see you go, but hope to see you back very soon! (or maybe you'll have to come find us all on another thread having to do with pregnancy wink)

scully Think it's going to be a wine night for me too! grin DH is out tonight, and I'd love to spend a quiet one on the sofa with a nice bottle of red!

Gosh, I thought the torture of having to wait one cycle since the mc was going to do me in! Now it's the waiting the next 10-12 days before I ovulate again so taht we can actually TRY that is killing me slowly. Excuse me, I'm a slightly impatient person...oh and a tad bit melodramatic too blushgrin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Thu 17-Apr-08 16:03:03
Afternoon,

chocolate muffin anyone?

mollie sorry to see you go and that you are feeling so low. I hope to see you back here in a while when you are feeling better. DH had depression a while back and I know how low he got. Thank fully he is so much better now after going to the docotr and getting help. You have taken the first step to your recovery. smile

Well no af here yet. Not even any spotting. Did another test this morning - another BFN. Resisted the urge to pull it apart but did the squinting at it from all angles. grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kd73 on Thu 17-Apr-08 16:16:59
Thanks Cece (KD takes a choc muffin)

How are you? I haven't been on for a while but strangely I thought about you today smile.

Laughed at the squinting business - been there/done that. I wouldn't worry - well only when you take it out to check with the neighbours for them to squint!

Keep faith - I have my fingers crossed for you grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Thu 17-Apr-08 16:35:31
LOL at getting the neighbours to check!!!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kazbeth on Thu 17-Apr-08 18:28:21
Hi, I almost feel a bit guilty about this as I've not been on here that long but I've just had a positive pregnancy test

We've been trying for almost a year now and have had 2 miscarriages (one at 12 weeks and one at 5 weeks). The last one was only 5 weeks ago.

Thanks to everyone who's offered me a kind word on here and fingers crossed that this one is for keeps. Best of luck to everyone and I really hope this year is the one for everyone X
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Thu 17-Apr-08 18:29:35
Congratulations kazbeth. Thinking sticky thoughts.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Thu 17-Apr-08 18:31:06
I think you're in good company PrePG. Hands up anyone out there who's NOT impatient and melodramatic right now! Although that is my normal state too, I must confess. grin Mmm, nice chocolate muffins.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Thu 17-Apr-08 18:32:38
Ooh, kazbeth, just posted at the same time as you, so didn't see your message. YAY to you - that's wonderful!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kazbeth on Thu 17-Apr-08 20:18:40
Thanks cece and daisyj
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Thu 17-Apr-08 20:56:52
Congratulations Kazbeth, and lots and lots of best wishes and sticky thoughts.