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Mumsnet Discussions: Conception : Need to lose weight while or before TTC? Join me here! (188 messages)
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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Fri 04-Apr-08 08:16:11
Some stats from me

Name Starting Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb

Add yourself to the list if you want to join me ! I'm going to start with Jason Vales 7 day juice plan then see how it goes....

Weigh in once a week on a Friday morning...
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 04-Apr-08 12:30:23
Hey... count me in

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb

I do weight watchers but without going to the meetings...

I like the idea of Friday weigh-ins by the way... any indulgences on a friday can be rectified by the following friday easier than the monday
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Fri 04-Apr-08 13:54:36
well my tesco order just arrived - why am I doing a juice diet?????? I now have 6 pineapples 6 cucumbers and umpteen applesshock

Oh well am going to have to persevere now....
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Fri 04-Apr-08 13:59:26
Me too, but with a looooong way to go! I'm going to be in kilos, hope that's ok.

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By roseability on Fri 04-Apr-08 14:14:14
count me in

Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 04-Apr-08 16:14:18
I'm in!

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb

PS - fym - I've done that Jason Vale 7 day juice diet before... it's quite hardgoing for the first day but I really enjoyed the fasting... didn't feel that hungry but did feel as though I spent more time with the juicer that week than I did with DP! Permanently clearing up pineapple peel, etc. But most of the juices taste delicious and I definitely felt detoxed by the end of it. I lost about 7lb although have to admit that as soon as I started eating solids again, most of it came back.

I'm low-carbing, and definitely need to exercise more - it's my biggest downfall at the moment. And I know mood-wise (and everything-wise, really) I MUST get back into it. I really need to.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By herbaceous on Fri 04-Apr-08 16:24:53
I've been wondering about this. How 'overweight' is 'too overweight to conceive'? I'm 5'8", and 11st 7 - I know this is a bit too fat, but is it a fertility problem fatness?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 04-Apr-08 16:48:01
I do hope not herby - I'm the same height as you and weigh more!! wink
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Fri 04-Apr-08 18:05:02
I'm in

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb

I reserve the right not to reach my goal weight though as it seems a loooooong way away!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 04-Apr-08 18:16:54
Afternoon gals...

First off, I have to say Roseability - I love your name... am I right in thinking it was inspired by the Idlewild song of same name? grin If not, please feel free to ignore me.

Does anyone think it is a good idea to share our food intake? It might sound laborious (sp?), but I think that if I know I have to confess what I have noshed, I might think twice about stuffing it in my gob grin

Didn't help today, as I met some friends in town and we had lattes and cake in johnlewis... and tonight going to a family meal... but tomorrow? grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Fri 04-Apr-08 18:24:28
Am I right in thinking... that fresh pineapple is good in the 2ww? I am sure someone said pineapple juice helped with implantation? hmm??

herbaceous, I don't think that you are overweight... according to the charts, your bmi puts you in the healthy weight range.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Fri 04-Apr-08 18:28:59
Good idea Ready - I'm also likely not to scoff if I have to fess up!

That said - I'm off for an Indian now
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 04-Apr-08 18:39:14
Okay okay I'll go first. You'll all be shocked because I'm low-carbing so it might sound weird but there you go!!

Breakfast: bacon & poached eggs
Lunch: Salad nicoise & cappuccino
Dinner: Fish Pie (with celeriac topping) & spinach salad

Phew!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Fri 04-Apr-08 19:41:05
I may have fallen at the first hurdle here

Brekkie - Juice (pineapple/cucumber/apple/Avocado/lime)

Snack - Juice (pineapple/cucumber/apple/Avocado/lime)

Lunch - Juice (Spinach/apple/parsley/beetroot/lemon)

<fym comes over all faint while shopping>
4pmish - Panini in Pret a manger (500cals)
Cup of tea
1/2 chocolate brownie (shared with DS)

hmm

Dinner - Juice - Apple/cinnamon

With my sensible head on I'm not entirely sure it was a good idea to do such a severe diet when just been ill....

Am going to revert to Weightwatchers tomorrow
<looks in disbelief at 6 pineapples, 49 apples, 6 cuecumbers etc etc sat on worktop and wonders what to do with them>
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Fri 04-Apr-08 19:42:50
Anyone for pineapple???
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Fri 04-Apr-08 19:52:45
Lol fym

One thing - when I did it, I wasn't working... it was summer and I really didn't have to do very much. Essentially you have to realise you're not eating solids for a week and you can't boing around doing what you'd normally do!!

I tried doing it again one time in the winter... found it much harder and actually found that drinking all the pineapple juice caused my mouth to go strangely acidic... almost as though I'd 'burnt' myself. Only lasted 3 days then.

Are you going to continue? xx
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Fri 04-Apr-08 20:24:28
fym, I'm impressed I decided to fall off the wagon in style though, fairly early on:

Breakfast: Muesli
Morning snack: Special K snacky things
Lunch: Salad, lasagne, pitta with hummus, and profiteroles
Afternoon snack: a cream egg
Dinner: Indian

And wine to finish it off (which is to cheer myself up for not being pregnant )

Tomorrow, back to it properly!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Fri 04-Apr-08 20:56:27
I should probably join this too - Have already successfully lost a bit (started at about 11 stone now down to about 10lb 4 ish - my scales were £2 in Ikea and don't appear that accurate).

I'm running and watching what I eat. Have been quite ill with flu this week which has helped !

Have 9 st as my goal as I am a midget so this is what I should be for ideal BMI but I don't think I have been this weight since early teens so would settle for 9 stone 7 (am quite naturally muscley below the flab which I htink skews the bmi)...

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb
wheely 11 st 10 lbs 4 oz 10lbs 9 st
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Fri 04-Apr-08 20:58:04
My eating today isn't particularly representative as I am flu ridden so have no appetite so haven't eaten much but what I have eaten wasn't great !
Breakfast - 1 crumpet with marmite
lunch - 1.5 bacon rolls
dinner - yet to be had, should be sweet potato/squash curry but not sure I fancy it so don't know what it will be.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By roseability on Fri 04-Apr-08 23:10:02
Yes Ready indeed inspired by the wonderful Idlewild! Herbaceous too fat at 5"8" and 11st 7! I am 5 "4" and 12st 9! I don't consider myself 'that' fat as I have a lot of muscle due to a history of running/gym etc. I am size 14-16 but would like to get down to a comfortable size 14 before conceiving, which would be about 12st for me.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Sat 05-Apr-08 07:41:52
Morning all

Yes I'm going to continue but just not so drastically. I'm going to juice everything I have for Breakfast and evening meal and have one 'proper' meal.

The juices are really nice but I just felt so weak and faint - mind you I'd had to do all the washing, tidy the house then went to the playground with DS then shopping....I think you're right lottie, you need to sit down and relax and I can't do that!!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Sat 05-Apr-08 12:30:01
Yes fym - don't think I would have been able to manage it had I been rushing around. I can imagine feeling faint if you're not careful!

Euggh, I drank far too much booze last night blush......... feeling a bit sorry for myself today!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Sun 06-Apr-08 09:20:05
Hi all -

Yesterday was good - apart from two small beers.

Am following the juice diet for two meals and a 'light' meal for the third. Had a prawn jacket and salad yesterday and will have a tomato pasta today. The juices are really nice (i'm quite surprised!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Sun 06-Apr-08 09:25:47
Saturday: cheese omelette for breakfast/brunch
Dinner: roasted butternut squash chips with salad nicoise
Drinks: loads of water to combat the hangover!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Sun 06-Apr-08 09:42:08
HI lottie

Well done on the low carb diet.... this juicing lark is ok but will revert to the weightwatchers when I finish all the fruit. Only 5 pineapples and 40 apples to go hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Sun 06-Apr-08 09:54:32
wheely get well soonsmile! Flu is awful isn't it?

rose yes I'm in the same boat as you 5'5 so any excess looks bad - it only takes a stone for me to go up a dress size - I'm a 10/12 when 10 stone, a 12/14 at 11 stone and am now a definite 14 at 11st11. None of my clothes fit and I don't want to buy more cos I think it's a waste of money, I keep thinking I'm going to be buying maternity clothes so it won't matter hmm

shay one meal isn't bad - you can soon get back on the wagon! wink

sarah ready how are you doing?

Does anyone else have this problem - I'm constantly thinking about TTC and thinking I must eat to OV??? And then on the 2ww eat "just in case" blush probably how I put on the extra 1/2 stone in the first place over the last couple of weeks while trying to lose the weight!!!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Sun 06-Apr-08 13:19:31
I'm having a weekend off I've decided - can get back on it tomorrow, but figure that I can enjoy the one weekend a month when have definitely not succeeded on the TTC mission, and so can have lots of wine, cakes, chips, and all the other things that will be offlimits for the rest of the time! Plus have done lots of heavy lifting so need calories (Mr. Hol decided to dismantle our spare wardrobe yesterday, so had to take that to the tip - I am STRONG!)

So, yesterday wasn't too bad: cereal, small amount of chips for lunch (was sad), cold meat & bread for tea, and half a bottle of wine (blush).

Today am going to eat cake though
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Lennied on Sun 06-Apr-08 14:24:09
I think I could do with a bit of a kick up the backside on the weight loss front so am going to join you.

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb
wheely 11 st 10 lbs 4 oz 10lbs 9 st
LenniEd 13st 12lb 13st 12lb 0lb 11st 9lb

Know exactly what you mean about the 2WW; and when AF arrives fym I do exactly the same. Rest of the month I lose weight, only to put it back on again. Successfully lost 2st since having DD but hit a bit of a plateau. Will start doing food tomorrow...
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Sun 06-Apr-08 15:34:26
Can I be really nosy and ask about the conception stats too? I am on the hunt for my first baby… been on that well travelled road for a while, our 20th cycle now.

Yesterday I went out for the day with dh, bit of shopping – and had <whispers> chips for lunch. Then pizza for tea shock and then went out with friends to the pub… where I had wine and cherry brandy with lemonade (my new favourite tipple) all evening, so I for one am grateful we are not weighing in on Monday morning!! grin

fym, the juices are a good way of boosting your 5-a-day … my problem with this ttc lark, is that I am frightened of <read, making excuses for> doing my usual boxercise in the 2ww.

welcome Lennied
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Sun 06-Apr-08 18:02:02
oh I'm doing terrible, not even trying at the moment with it being moving week! We're not even cooking at home....last night was leaving drinks with friends. Had a burger/chips plus quite a few fruit beers which I'm sure were chock full of sugar, but oh so tasty.

Today had a cafe fry up, 1 egg, hashbrowns, 1 sausage, bacon, toast, & beans. Then for early dinner we had Chinese and I feel so awful now I want to barf. blush

Well this is all very embarassing, I think I might have to try to eat a little bit more healthily tomorrow! I tend to be very all or nothing, either I'm watching what I eat strictly, or I'm not bothering at all.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Sun 06-Apr-08 18:14:47
Thanks fym - am on the mend. Apppetite coming back but not really up torunning yet so will have to make sure I don't start to undo the good work so far !

Yesterday foodwise wasn't so good - we took dd to the theatre to see Angelina Ballerina so had

breakfast - pain au chocolat
lunch - pizza (but with no cheese and I didn't eat it all)
Dinner - 1 hot dog (with a proper sausage - ooer) and chips (oven). 2 glasses of red wine.

today I didn't have any breakfast and went to friends for a roast (chicken, veg and 3 roast potatoes) then ice cream for pudding (I turned down teh apple tart but couldn't quite resist the ice cream). Not sure what else I will have today.....

As for ttc stats - I'm ttc number 2 (DD is 3) , had a m/c July 06 and on 20th cycle since we started again after m/c (Ready - I think I remember us being on the same number of cycles about a year ago on another ttc !) having conceived in first & second cycle with 2 previous conceptions. Have first appointment at ACU on 17th which has been part of making me lose weight !
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Sun 06-Apr-08 18:27:16
Oh forgot my conception stats....

I quit taking the pill in August 2005 and I've been temping on FF ever since. My XH and I were supposedly TTC, but since he was loathe to have sex more than once every 2 months, the "Trying" was really only on my part. Plus with my PCOS I didn't ovulate every cycle and had 2, 3, and 4 months cycles. Really not a snowball's chance in hell!

Been with new partner since May 2007 and we stopped using contraception in about July (not really trying, just not trying to stop it). Still I'm counting cycles from when we stopped contraception, so I'm on my 9th cycle with my new parter, but 22nd cycle overall. I cannot believe that in four months it will be 3 bloody years since I started all this!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Sun 06-Apr-08 18:28:36
but, I forgot to add, we are really 'trying' now!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By minster on Sun 06-Apr-08 20:17:27
I'm desperately need to reduce the size of my arse!

11st 10lb - 11st 1lb - 9st 5lb

I take steroids when I'm pregnant, so going in overweight isn't good (assuming I ever manage to conceive sad ).

I'm currently in the middles of my 10th cycle ttc our 3rd living child. No real idea what's wrong with us.

#1 - was a quiak natural conception (8 years ago!)
#2 - IVF after >3 years of trying (lost in the second trimester to PROM & placental abruptiom)
#3 - first cycle with FSH injections.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By minster on Sun 06-Apr-08 20:19:30
Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb
wheely 11 st 10 lbs 4 oz 10lbs 9 st
LenniEd 13st 12lb 13st 12lb 0lb 11st 9lb
Minster 11st 10lb 11st 1lb 9lb 9st 5lb
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By roseability on Sun 06-Apr-08 20:35:18
Well it was DS second birthday today, so diet went out the window! Had a truly lovely day but looked huge in all the photos. Back on diet tomorrow
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By fym on Sun 06-Apr-08 20:43:28
Hi every one !

I have one DS who is 2y4m and ttc #2 - now on 4th cycle. Was 1stone overweight and it has crept up to 1 3/4 stone with all my eating to get pregnant ideas hmm

keep hoping pregnancy will allow me to give up weight watching but nothing yet!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By cedar12 on Sun 06-Apr-08 21:17:28
Hi everyone starting on clomid next month so really want to shift some pounds before. I am 5` 7` and weigh 11stone 7 1/2 pounds. Joined the gym but cant stop eating!!!
Really trying to up the exercise to compensate all the chocolate. Would like to be under 11 stone. If not pg soon booking a beach holiday for june so need to loose some either way. Right off to skip of the 3 chocolate biscuit I just ate shock
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Sun 06-Apr-08 21:26:20
I'm ttc #1......... we went out for a walk in the snow this afternoon and had HUGE envy for all the couples with little babies. They were everywhere!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Sun 06-Apr-08 22:04:45
My TTC stats - just cycle 2 of TTC#1, so still early days. We meant to start last year, but took longer than expected to change jobs.

Lottie, know what you mean! I'm also getting wound up by pregnant people posting boasting Facebook statuses - was one of the major reason for chips yesterday! Hate to think what I'll be like after another few cycles...
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Sun 06-Apr-08 22:28:55
Shayera - lol, know what you mean there - one of my friends has had a close up of her bump on FB since she was about 4 months... and she changes her status every 5 minutes with "updates" on how tired she is, when she's due, etc etc.

I know she's happy and that's great envy sad BUT................ I really hope I don't feel the need to shout about it 24 hours a day when I'm pregnant!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Sun 06-Apr-08 22:45:22
My TTC stats - TTC # 2, 3rd cycle, 1st cycle of tracking OV and on CD30 of 31-33 day cycle so expecting AF anyday now sad. Have PFB DD 15mo and apple of her daddy's eye (and mine too).

Minster - I had to take steroids when pg with DD, gained 3 stone throughout the pregnancy, wasn't very pleased. Have lost 2 stone now, but still got 2 stone I'd like to lose. hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Mon 07-Apr-08 10:49:39
Grumps. Weighed myself this morning (stupidly) and now weigh half a pound more than I did on Friday...!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Mon 07-Apr-08 11:39:44
I'm considering packing our scale early so I don't weigh myself until after the move...it's so depressing!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By rattling on Mon 07-Apr-08 12:23:22
Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb
wheely 11 st 10 lbs 4 oz 10lbs 9 st
LenniEd 13st 12lb 13st 12lb 0lb 11st 9lb
Minster 11st 10lb 11st 1lb 9lb 9st 5lb
Rattling 13st 0lb 13st 0lb 0lb 11st 10lb

Hoping I haven't quite hit 13st - this way I should be able to claim a small loss on Friday. I should be able to get back to 12st 7 fairly easily as I've piles on the extra half a stone through Christmas-style feasting over the last 2 weeks. Need to get under 12st for a BMI of 25, but despite a few previous attempts I seem stuck at 12lb 7. I love food far too much blush. Especially carbs.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Mon 07-Apr-08 12:31:31
Aah hello rattling Welcome aboard grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Mon 07-Apr-08 17:39:46
Lottie, I meant to say on the other thread... I completely agree with you about people who dismiss a certain diet, yet load up their trolleys with totally wrong things. I don't have a problem with lowering carb intake... but I personally stand by what I say that cutting them out completely is not a good idea. Our bodies need a balanced diet, and cutting out carbs might help with weight loss in the short term, but carbs are an essential part of a healthy balanced diet.
Of course you are right though, that some carbohydrates are not good - but to cut out all, I think is extreme and unlikely to be something that can (or should) be done long term. I guess that living with someone who is very nutrient conscious and needs carbohydrates, I will always see it a certain way. <hands back Lotties soapbox>
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Mon 07-Apr-08 17:42:22
Food today:
Breakfast - 2weetabix and skimmed milk, cup of rooibos tea
Lunch - 2 roasted peppers pittas and a banana
Dinner (will be) - chicken stir fry
Late evening snack (will be) Cup of rooibos tea and 2 jammy dodgers
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Mon 07-Apr-08 18:48:21
PS Ready (no I'm not following you around the threads... or maybe I am grin )

... I'm a big fan of Rooibos tea too. Do you drink the Dragonfly one? DP loves the Vanilla one and I drink the Breakfast one. Have you tried the Yogi teas? I know it sounds horrible but their Liquorice tea (which doesn't taste of liquorice but is a sort of spiced cinnamon) is gorgeous.

Onto your carb comments - I totally understand your concerns, and as you say, living with someone who NEEDS carbs you've kind of got to have that attitude.

There's so much to be said about low-carb diets. For some reason, over the past few decades, the low-fat industry (for it is an industry) has taken over the Western world. Everyone is obsessed with fat. As nations (the UK and the US, for example) we are now eating significantly less fat than ever before - and yet people continue to get fatter and fatter. I wonder whether people will ever put two and two together and realise that the more diet foods we produce, the more 'low fat' this and 'fat free' that... the fatter this country is getting! The truth is that we get fat because we eat too much sugar. Diabetes is caused not by people eating too much fat, but by insulin resistance brought on by eating too much sugar over a prolonged period.

Carbohydrate is actually the one macronutrient that our bodies CAN do without. We need protein for amino acids; and we NEED fats for all sorts of metabolic pathways in the body. We use carbohydrate for energy alone, and if you're overweight and want to shift weight, then cutting out carbohydrates forces your body to use its own fat stores for energy. Obviously if you don't need to lose weight then this wouldn't be a good strategy. My 'ideal' diet, once I'm down to a reasonable weight, would include oats, the occasional piece of wholewheat bread, berries, all vegetables (except potatoes), occasional portions of brown rice, yoghurt... along with the full list of traditional low-carb items (meat, fish, full-fat dairy).

As I've said before, I know it's not for everyone, but there are so many fallacies bandied about with regard to health and food, it's ridiculous. And it's so endemic, it's hard to ever get to the truth.

One example of craziness that shocked me to the core was a report a couple of years back that the World Health Organisation tried to change the make-up of the global food pyramid - and it wanted to say that we should only aim to have 10% of our daily calories from sugar, rather than the 20% (IIRC) that it was. The American Sugar Association lobbied and lobbied and lobbied... putting so much pressure on the WHO that they eventually relented and decided NOT to change the pyramid. Yet there is overwhelming evidence that as humans, we shouldn't be eating ANY sugar. We're not equipped to deal with it.

Anyway - I'm not out to change people's attitudes or diets... I used to be much more defensive (yes! It is possible!! grin ) about it than I am now. I realise it isn't for everyone, but do feel the need to step onto that soapbox when I hear things that I don't think are true...

(Not to say that I disagreed with much of what you said, actually!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Mon 07-Apr-08 18:48:46
Food today:

Breakfast: Apple
Lunch: Jacket potato with small amount of cheese and salad (I know I shouldn't have but only other option was ham soup and I'm vegetarian grin such good excuses...)
Snack: 2 crackerbreads (plain)
Tea: Veg stir fry
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Mon 07-Apr-08 18:52:37
OOH I'm a big fan of Rooibos too - I drink the dragonfly breakfast. Actually prefer it to normal tea (although do like coffee too and that has to be caffienated !).

Food for me today -

Breakfast 2 x wholemeal toast with marmite
lunch - little pot of reduced fat humous, seeded pitta bread, carrots, cucumber and olives
snack - apple
tea will be pasta with chicken and a spicy tomato sauce.

Starving now though and DH and I don't usually have our dinner until at least 9.. often as late as 10 so I might have to snack on something else.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Mon 07-Apr-08 18:59:51
Oooh, x-posted with lottie and now I feel even worse about that jacket potato shock

Think I need to lower my carbs, eat too much bread. Don't really eat white bread at all though. Don't (usually) eat potatoes so just need to ditch the bread.

I LOVE yogi teas too. Couldn't drink herbal/fruit teas for a year after having DD though, used to drink loads to combat the morning sickness and even a whiff of them after would make me nauseous! Fortunately my memory has been so destroyed by sleepless nights I no longer remember pregnancy. grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Mon 07-Apr-08 19:01:34
Now I x-posted with Wheelybug !! Oohs all round!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Mon 07-Apr-08 19:14:11
Lenni - the problem with me is that I get addicted to eating carbs. I gave up bread for ages, then started to eat bread when I was in restaurants. But eventually started buying it, and would get delicious wholewheat/rye sourdough... very very "good for you" as far as bread goes - but I wasn't very good at only having a couple of slices!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Gina80 on Mon 07-Apr-08 19:38:06
Hiya everyone waves may I join you please?

Gina80: 12st 0, 10st 8, 9st 7.

Have had a sickness bug which helped me shift from the 11st I got stuck at for a while! I'm sure it'll go back on though as soon as I eat again!

Was ttc for 2 years for DS who's 1 on Sunday, with cycles of 21 days. Currently TTC#2, been off the minipill since end of Jan, not sure how cycles will settle as i'm still breastfeeding and am on CD26. Severe lack of OV and BD this month means pretty certain no bfp.

Ready - I have the same issue with boxercise. I do aerobics, abs work too and even though I know it's fine to do the same amount of exercise you're used to, I find myself trying not to 'bounce' too much on the 2ww hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Mon 07-Apr-08 19:43:40
It is funny, I don't think we are too far from the same opinion really Lottie, as ever I agree with what you say. And was shock but not surprised about the lobby to keep the pyramid the same.
I too think that carbs are more dangerous than fat - but - that is because I don't think the western world is active enough to cope with the amounts of carbohydrates it eats.
BUT I think we should say processed carbs. Because I think that is the problem, processed carbs, as you say, principly sugar! Which if not used up turns to fat in our bodies. Fast food, processed junk food and not enough exercise is what makes people fat.

You mentioned carrots in your list on the other thread? That confused me Are they considered carbs? Because we snack on carrots/tomatoes/peppers and I assumed that we were being virtuous.

I don't believe in low-fat either, as it goes. I drink skimmed milk, but that's because anything else is too thick for me, tastewise.

Carb wars wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Mon 07-Apr-08 19:44:34
Welcome to the thread Gina, pmsl at "bouncing less in the 2ww" grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Mon 07-Apr-08 20:40:40
Evening diet buddies :D

Back at work today, and was VERY good - nobly resisted the chocolate my team kept trying to force down me!

Breakfast: muesli
Morning snack: apple
Lunch: Beef & salad sandwich
Afternoon snack: special k mini bite things
Evening snack: slice of beef & slice of cheese
Dinner (in about 5 mins!): lamb casserole & rice

And NO WINE. I'm trying to stay off booze during the month, partly to avoid pickling any potential baby and partly because I drink far too much during the week and it's good discipling!

As you can tell I'm a carb fan - low carb has never worked for me. I lost over a stone with Slimming World last year, but my group leader changed and the new one was incredibly irritating so I quit. Would have been easier if she hadn't been the largest person in the group by a mile - I found it hard to take someone seriously as a diet coach when they're morbidly obese themselves. So now I'm going it alone, trying to take the bits that worked for me and ditch the unhealthy stuff. Also tryingto exercise more when I can fit it in with work - aiming for 2x lunchtime swims and 3x evening exercise videos! Today is a lazy day though...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Mon 07-Apr-08 22:27:35
Today---

Breakfast: two slices toast with peanut butter, coke zero

on way to work: skinny latte

lunch: M&S superfoods couscous salad, fruit salad, nuts, diet soda

afternoon: skinny latte and one biscuit

evening: domino's pizza (a lot), coke zero

Oh we are so screwed until the move! Packing or seeing friends/family every night. By this time next week I hope to be cooking my first meal in the new flat. Having tesco delivery the day before so will have no excuse!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Mon 07-Apr-08 22:33:26
Shay - your description of your SW coach makes me think of Matt Lucas in Little Britain... grin Not quite what you want from an inspirational leader!

Hello Gina

Ready - agree with you... grin - no need for Carb Wars...! Hurrah, means we can focus on the Pram Wars... wink

Okay - my food for today:

Breakfast - tomato and avocado salad
Lunch - leftover homemade fish pie
Dinner - homemade Thai green curry with chicken, mushroom, green beans, and cauliflower
Snack - garlic/chilli prawns with spinach

(Can you tell I'm not working at the moment?? grin )
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Tue 08-Apr-08 10:51:53
Hello, can I join you please? I have a lot to lose but I really need to as I know being overweight (and in my case my BMI tips me into obese at just over 30) makes it so much harder to conceive.

So, I start today knowing that the coming weekend will be a blip as we're away. Not sure whether or not to rejoin weight watchers or try to go it alone.

Also any tips for a way of easing yourself into an exercise regime? I don't like gyms and hate running. So will start off with brisk walks but that doesn't sound a great deal to do really.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Tue 08-Apr-08 10:58:06
Hi Claire

I've probably got a similar amount to lose - or at least, I have a similar BMI blush

Good for you for deciding to do something about it!! If you feel like it, why don't you cut & paste your stats into ours. We have our weigh-ins on Friday (well, this Friday will be our first!) - it might give you an incentive not to go TOO crazy this weekend! (Having said that I'm particularly bad at restraining myself during weekends away..)

I'm trying to get back into exercising too. It's so upsetting - I used to run every day and built up to being able to run 5k non-stop (which for me was a miracle). One year on, and I'm terrified because I'm pretty sure I'll be useless again...

I joined a gym but never went. I've ordered an exercise DVD - it arrived this morning... haven't tried it yet but it's Madonna's personal trainer (Tracy Anderson)... so watch this space, I'll be looking like Madge in no time... wink

Going for a brisk walk is actually a really good form of exercise, and if there's any way you can work it into your daily routine, maybe in the morning before you do anything else, it's a great start to the day. Especially as the weather gets warmer... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy being outside at this time of year.

Best of luck anyway!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Tue 08-Apr-08 11:01:33
Thanks Lottie, I'll weigh myself in the morning and add my stats then. I will start with a nice brisk walk at lunchtime, and jst getting over a bad back so maybe on reflection a few weeks of walking moving up to going swimming etc is the best way forward for me.

Out of interest how are people deciding their goal weight? Are they going for a BMI of 25? That is the top end of healthy weight range isn't it? It just seems like a lot to lose for me.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Tue 08-Apr-08 11:15:13
I'd give yourself a goal that seems achievable for now, if that seems too much to take on. I picked 170lbs because that's 5lb less than I was two years ago.... and at that weight I felt pretty bloody good! I know for some people that would be a lot, but I'm tall and Amazonian (that's what I tell myself, anyhoo... wink )
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Tue 08-Apr-08 11:40:19
I'm not going for BMI 25 - not straight away anyhow. First I want to fit into my pre-pg clothes properly - not all that far off that, maybe about 1/2 stone away. Am a large size 16 now, was size 14/16 when I got pg and 12/14 when I got married. Would love to be 12/14 again (and would be at 11 1/2 st) but would be happy with getting back in my pre-pg clothes before we have no. 2. Once we've had another baby <sends up a prayer to the heavens for a BFP> I want to lose ALL the weight, but you've got to have little goals along the way to keep you going.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Tue 08-Apr-08 11:49:45
OK I just weighed myself and added my stats to the list.

Name Start Current Loss Goal
FYM 11st 11lb 11st 11lb 0lb 10st 0lb
Ready 10st 3lb 10st 3lb 0lb 9st 7lb
Sarah 111.9k 111.9k 0k 67k
Roseability 13st 12lb 12st 9lb 12st 0lb
LL 205lb 205lb 0lb 170lb
Shayera 11st 13.75lb 12st 10lb 9st 0lb
wheely 11 st 10 lbs 4 oz 10lbs 9 st
LenniEd 13st 12lb 13st 12lb 0lb 11st 9lb
Minster 11st 10lb 11st 1lb 9lb 9st 5lb
Rattling 13st 0lb 13st 0lb 0lb 11st 10lb
Claire 13st 10lb 13st 10lb 0lb 12st 0lb

Decided on 12st as my first goal which means losing 24lbs.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Tue 08-Apr-08 19:41:22
lottie - a very good likeness! Although she was actually larger than that believe it or not...

Today's been a bad day - stressful, busy, and with cakes in the office Only had 3 little ones, but then also had a handful of cereal thingys at home and think I'll be breaking my wine embargo tonight (really was THAT bad a day!) Plus hayfever just started, have mega cough and am using it as an excuse not to exercise. BAH!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By LenniEd on Tue 08-Apr-08 20:33:46
Food today:

Breakfast: 1 egg (scrambled - DDs favourite), 1 slice wholegrain granary toast

Lunch: Tomato and veg soup, 1 slice bread with butter (oops on the butter)

Tea: Quorn chicken portion (couldn't be bothered to cook blush with carrots and cabbage

Slice of birthday cake and a malibu and coke ... well it is my birthday tomorrow grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Tue 08-Apr-08 22:17:24
Food report -

Breakfast - porridge with dried apricots
Lunch - pitta bread with homous cucumber and pepper
snack a chunck of easter egg
Dinner - sweet potato with tuna mayo, avocado and tomatoes.

Not bad if it hadn't been for that pesky easter egg.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Tue 08-Apr-08 22:21:03
What Easter egg Wheely? hmm I did think at first that you'd eaten one, but then saw that you must have been very much mistaken............. ?

I've been pretty good today in terms of WHAT I've had. It's just the quantities that aren't great blush

Breakfast: Cheese/tomato omelette
Lunch: Chicken caesar salad
Snack: Bacon/spinach/avocado salad
Dinner: Burgers with salad followed by some cheese with quince... all washed down with 1/2 a bottle of very nice Semillon white wine!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Tue 08-Apr-08 22:22:54
Well quite LondonLottie (scrunches the foil behind back so no one sees it !).
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Tue 08-Apr-08 22:24:49
What was that noise?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ClairePO on Wed 09-Apr-08 09:58:21
I have easter egg left too, am having a little a day. But I have cut out on all other fattening things including wine which was my downfall. Have joined the giving up on wine thread in the big slim section.

Having a banana for breakfast instead of a granola bar, did a 25 minute very brisk walk yesterday. I would prefer to make small changes that I will find it easier to keep up with though.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Wed 09-Apr-08 15:12:12
Thank you Claire and Lottie for joining, I was really starting to feel like I was the only one who had quit a bit to lose! I think I'm still top of the BMI charts at a whopping 42 blush, but noone ever guesses I weigh as much as I do (there is muscle packed in somewhere under the flab apparently). My problem is that I'm only 5'3 and of short squatty stock (look just like my dad's mum and his sisters). The stupid PCOS doesn't help.

I did WW back in the U.S. and lost about 2 stone, but it took ages and I've gained it back and then some. That was about 7 years ago. Now I'm older and even more out of shape.

This ridiculously skinny doctor told me today 'you just have to eat less and do more exercise'. I think I might have smirked because doesn't she think I would have done that if it were that easy? Then she said 'oh you think it will be a problem, you like your food eh?' shock angry I said 'actually, I've got PCOS and it makes it quite difficult to lose weight' and she admitted that it does make it much harder, but then said something like 'don't use it as an excuse' and told me I should only have 1500 calories a day. I'm tempted to have them in gin and tonic. Arggghhhhh.

By my own admission I haven't been great lately, but it really annoys me when skinny people who've clearly never had trouble with weight in their life act like it's just soooooo easy. My entire life, even when I was young and exercising loads, I've never been skinny or even slim. I can remember as a very young girl being thrilled with the gymnast Mary Lou Retton, because she broke the mold of gymnasts having to be tall and willowy. MLR was very short and had very chunky muscley thighs, and she totally kicked the arse of all those scrawny girls!

Rant over now....breathing....reaching for diet soda (which I should also be giving up....sigh).
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 15:26:11
Claire - my advice? Throw the Easter Egg away. (No-one said I wasn't controversial!)

Every day that you eat some of it you probably won't feel as though you're properly 'starting'. But I do speak as a sugar-addict - I can't just have a little bit - I'd have the lot.

Sarah - angry at your doc. God, the number of times I've heard that old adage - eat less and move more. Unfortunately it just isn't that simple, especially if you suffer from insulin resistance. How I hate patronising doctors (or patronising anybodies, let's face it).
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By rattling on Wed 09-Apr-08 16:17:25
Have to admit that the "eat less, move more" technique works perfectly on me - I just have NO willpower blush. Even worse, if I pull myself together and shop I would be happiest living off fruit and salad - but I run out of time and live off stuff picked up in the canteen or corner shops. Am starting yoga tonight - not much exercise, but it will trap me in a room with no food for 90min grin.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 09-Apr-08 17:15:09
It's all gone to pot. Got annoyed at Arsenal losing last night and ate half a bag of minstrels shock and had cheese on toast for lunch today. And I am eyeing up some jammy dodgers as I type. Must. Not. Get. Up.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 17:19:56
You and your jammy dodgers Ready. grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 09-Apr-08 17:22:29
I know!!! I shouldn't put them in the trolley in the first place. But they call out to me. Reeeaaady grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 17:45:54
I tell you, the ONLY way that I avoid eating stuff like that is to not put it in the trolley. I have absolutely NO will power.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Wed 09-Apr-08 17:51:48
Well probabyl best to write off today - think I've found an excuse reason for easter egg scoffing yesterday - CD 1 angry.

So, today started well - porridge
lunch was a picnic on a trip to the farm so sandwiches mainly
scoffed some choc since being home
tonight is to be jambalaya possibly with some red wine as its a special occasion hmm.

Grrrrr.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 09-Apr-08 18:05:17
That is my problem... the thing is, I don't want to deprive dh of treats just because I am too chubby curvy.
HE bought the minstrels home yesterday for the match!!! Then when I declined one at the end of the packet (I do realise it was too late by then) he wouldn't take no for an answer until I glared at him and said "if I have the power to say no, don't ruin it by being persistent" angry
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By roseability on Wed 09-Apr-08 20:19:55
Hi everyone!

Was DS's birthday at the weekend and I made him a very chocolatey chocolate cake, of course I had some oops! Also had too much wine on Friday night. Not looking forward to weigh in on Friday. Also AF arrived today sad no 2008 baby for me then. So hard to lose weight when you are TTc as well. Going to go to circuits tomorrow night
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:08:18
Why oh why does it seem so hard to lose weight while ttc? I'm drinking less than I used to... eating more healthily... the answer HAS to be exercise for me.

<cue fanfare>

And I am proud to announce <curtsies> that I forced my lazy bum out the door this afternoon and went for a jog! (Well, I say jog... more of a walk/jog)

<cue extra fanfare just because>

Food today:

No breakfast
Lunch: salad nicoise & nibbles of chorizo slices
Dinner: chicken caesar salad
Snack: makeshift puddingy type thing made of cream & brazil nuts (not many!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:39:59
Love the sound of the makeshift pudding... I sometimes chop up apples and satsumas and bananas and pour a bit of cream over the top for a pudding...
<slaps Lottie's hand> for no breakfast! You must eat breakfast, you must!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:49:05
Ohh I'm normally good at having breakfast... DP is terrible - I just can't get him to eat anything. Then he wonders why he's ravenous and scoffs everything in sight at work hmm

Oh Ready - I'm so bored... bored of the bloody 2ww! Bored bored borediddy bored.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:49:38
PS - Love the sound of your creamy fruity pudding...........
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sarah76 on Wed 09-Apr-08 23:47:43
Yet another day of our not-cooking-till-we-move lifestyle. . .

breakfast: 2 eggs on toast, 2 slices back bacon

lunch: 1/2 tuna mayo sandwich, pret crisps, pomegranate power water

dinner: nachos, enchiladas & margaritas at the Texas Embassy

I was good, I only had two margaritas. However, I wish I'd had more, because maybe I'd be able to pass out like DP, who is snoring away next to me now!

Felt awful most of the day as had the most persistant problem with diarrhoea this week! TMI I'm sure, but everything seems to be going straight through so I'm just eating whatever seems to taste good because I've been feeling a bit sick to my stomach along with it. Was bad enough today I had to get some medicine so I didn't spend the day in the loo.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Thu 10-Apr-08 17:16:52
I'm a bit of a dragon when it comes to breakfast blush... I always have cereal, I couldn't imagine being able to do anything if I hadn't eaten breakfast.

I too am bored Lottie grin bored of not knowing if I have ovulated or not yet grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Thu 10-Apr-08 18:44:43
Just to pre-empt Lottie ... your dinner sounds lush!!! Dh is out today, and as usual, I can never be bothered to cook for just me, so I will have a bowl of cereal. Tut.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By londonlottie on Thu 10-Apr-08 18:49:02
Now then Miss Ready - there's far too much of your Tutting going on these days....!

What cereal is it? Go on... tell me... wink Let me guess: My three guesses are 1) Special K; 2) Bran Flakes; 3) Fruit & Fibre

grin

So - food for me today:

Breakfast: tom & mozz salad w pesto
Lunch: salmon w mange tout & broccoli
Dinner: slow-roast belly of pork, celeriac dauph, & plenty of greens!
Snack: small pack raw hazelnuts
Exercise: 45 min run!!!

(It's only cos we're doing a weigh in tomorrow)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Thu 10-Apr-08 18:53:03
my food guzzling today -

breakfast - porridge with raisins (AGAIN)
lunch - pitta with hummous and peppers, cucumber and avacado (AGAIN)
Snacks - too many mini choc and courgette muffins I made with dd and she proclaimed 'I don't like the green bits'
Dinner - lamb stew

If only I could stop the naughty snacks.... that will be my aim next week.

I did a run too. Only about 20 minutes as I was getting back into my running plan after a week or so off with flu.

I have to have breakfast too - don't like cereal though, manage porridge but would rather have toast.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Ready on Thu 10-Apr-08 19:03:05
Guess again Lottie grin

Breakfast: Cereal with skimmed milk
Snack: Cup of rooibos and 2 jammy dodgers (I'm so predictable)
Lunch: Egg roll, banana, 2 satsumas
Snack: Cup of rooiboss and a few dry crackers (needed savoury)
Dinner: Cereal with skimmed milk
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By ShayeraHol on Thu 10-Apr-08 19:03:38
Hey guys

Today's food -

Breakfast: muesli (finished the box now, switching to low fat multigrainy thing!)
Lunch: Cheese & tomato sandwich
Snacks: Special K minibites, grapes, brazil nuts and weetabix oatibix minithings
Dinner: Cheese & ham toastie

Mr. Hol has just come back from Sainsburys with a bag of cookies. I'm sad now Anyone got any spare willpower going?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Wheelybug on Thu 10-Apr-08 19:03:43
cocopops ? grin