Well, I think we agree that you did actually ov when FF said you did - so that at the very least, your LP is longer this month than it has been. Despite it adding at least two more days to an already agonising wait, it's a good thing
Brilliant thread name and yes, it's definitely got to have hoo-har in there (even though you're NOT recruiting me for that!
Hmmm...I don't think so to be honest. There's definitely a clear biphasic pattern on either side of CD17, which I think is convincing enough.
You've had temp spikes on both CD23 and CD26, but neither of those has three subsequent high temps that are above the 6 before O date. If you took away your temps on CD18 & 19, I guess it's possible that you might've O'd on CD20 - which would put you on 10dpo today.
Just a thought Squack - but are you sure your LP is 11 days? Last cycle it was 12, and this is your second month of ttc this time round... so maybe your LP is longer than you think?
I would think if you have regular(ish) cycles and you got a definite peak/positive on the OPKs then your date of OV is correct. Having looked at your chart, I think you definitely OVd when FF says you did.
So - your LP is either longer than you think.... or it's taking a long time for those tests to show a positive!
Last month the end of my cycle looked similar though with a temp drop, spotting then bleeding the next day. More knicker-checking for me today lol.
Have tons of cm atm.
I'm sure one of you was fiddling with your chart last cycle on ff to see if removal of temps made a difference...was it fruity?
I'm asking because I've got 2 separate events of O pain this month, the 2nd of which I was hoping was implantation. Here's my thinking...the day of O for me is a woky temp, as are the 2 temps after it. If I remove them the Ovulation date for this month changes from cd17 to cd25, when I also had O pain and fertile cm.
What does everyone think? That would make me 5dpo today instead of 13dpo and would explain why I haven't come on yet (?2days late) and also why there is only negative tests so far.
Or is this a step of straw clutching, numb-nuttery too far?
Tink yours is a bit closer to your coverline, but a single temp like that can't really tell you much. If it goes up again tomorrow it'd be a very good thing! But if it keeps going down, I'm afraid she might be on her way. Fingers crossed for you!
Lottie that is very interesting as my accupuncturist is a fertility expert too! Did mention the herbs but said see what happens over the first couple of months. Anyway my periods were so light - which I told him about no clots etc ..2 - 3 days long barely any need for tampons (sorry for tmi)... I had 2 accu sessions, period went to 38 days and lasted 9 days...of full on bleeding massive clots like I have never seen before - even after having 2children!!.. I was shocked as never had anything like it - saw accu last week as was away for the 2 weeks during this happening - he and I both agreed that didn't think my body was clearing properly...so I am there again today and yes at £38.. my dh is also like £££$$$more money£££$$$ but is happy for me to go along with it as hey its something we haven't tried.. How did it make you feel ? LAst week after seeing consultant - he said he was going to write letter to ivf/iui clinic close to me which would be my next option (have to pay as will be private treatments Anyway letter arrived this morning for me to make an appointment to see the specialist consultant and I did cry partly because I can't give up wanting a third and why has it turned so difficult after having 2 already and partly because not sure I can get myself through that way and am I mad to keep going
Anyway on the upside will keep spending a few pound each week on accupuncture and see what happens.... Good luck Lottie ! Sorry about the long post..
Morning girls. Fingers crossed that AF stays away for those of you at the crucial end of their cycle... xx
Minxi - I went to have acupuncture yesterday, for the first time. Went to see one who runs a fertility acu clinic and was slightly embarrassed to admit all the stuff I know about TTC. We talked about charts, EWCM, temping vaginally (!), clots during AF.... the content of the conversation was, I can say, unlike any I've had face to face with anyone before! She wants me to print off my charts and bring them in, and was really interested to hear that I did hoo-har temping... said she was going to recommend it to all her clients because so many of them had jaggedy charts that made no sense.
The acu itself only took 10-15 minutes, and she's prescribing me some herbs which are going to be sent in the post. It's costing £40 a week for the first 8 weeks , PLUS the cost of the herbs (£21 for an 18 day supply) . Have to say, DP is going along with it but he's not convinced. He thinks I'm being swizzled because I just really want a baby . I'm desperately looking on Google today for some decent evidence that acupuncture helps with fertility!! I did find an article on BBC online detailing a study which found that having acupuncture during IVF caused a 65% increase in success rates!! Pretty impressive, if true.
One thing the acupuncturist told me was that if you have clots in your period, that's not good (in chinese medicine terms) and indicates that the blood isn't flowing as it should (or something). I do tend to have quite a lot so we'll see whether this treatment makes any difference.
Have to say I'm pretty bored this cycle, not paying much attention to anything in particular. Just want to hurry up and get to 11 days past ovulation so I can start obsessing again, just like every other cycle!
Morning girls... sorry to see you at the top herb hope you are ok... Tink what is your lp normally? Squack any news ? FYM know the feeeling to get healthier although has taken me 3 years to make that decision - I think its because I've now resorted to Accupuncture at £38 per week!!! Don't want to feel like I am wasting money hi to everyone else must go...
*Squack I'd say another temp will make you triphasic, don't worry about a BFN yet...try again today/tomorrow.
notsonewanymore I don't use opk's.... so no advice sorry...good luck though and join us if yo want to stop lurking
Tink good luck will you test soon?
I'm making some lifestyle changes at the moment - amazing what this TTC does to you.... NO alcohol, lose some weight, NO stress, Work less more exercise!
We're going to need a new thread soon any title suggestions?
I've put me back to the top of the list AF arrived today so I'm now on CD1, Ds has been clingy all day and I've felt tearful all day....useless I am. Anyway, told dh we have to up the bding this month.....(he knew something was up when he got home so had a good sob - I'm always like this day 1 of AF so nothing new there !!)
Sorry Lottie about your dh feeling down. It's hard for us but I suspect very hard for them (we all talk about these things more openly don't we) - I suspect my dh would be exactly the same.....keep us posted.
I test with OPK's at 6-7pm. FMU is no good with OPK's.
Prepg, thanks for that Ooh I thought it might be a bit triphasic, how exciting!
According to last month I should be spotting today with full flow tomorrow. If I get another high temp tomorrow I'll be pretty happy anything over 98.6 would be brilliant.
Also when comparing to other charts on ff it's giving me a higher % of pg charts the longer I go on.
What do my temps have to do for ff to accord me triphasic status?
Do you know I'm not craving chocolate either how weird!
Still cramping tho' feel as if my period is almost upon me tbh. Everytime I feel wet I'm off to check and there's nothing but CM <crosses fingers v. tightly>
Yes, it looks triphasic Squack When I got my BFP, mine was too. Here have a look - I've made my second cycle on my homepage the one I got pregnant - PrePG's chart Fingers crossed for you!!!!
NSNA I think you need to test in the afternoon with OPK's (and after no peeing for about 4 hours or so!) because LH builds up in your urine as the day goes on. Can you test after work?
Comparing last months chart to this one, I should be spotting today with full bleeding tomorrow.
So wait n see will be the order of the day for me
I'll have a bit of hope if I'm clean tomorrow with a still high temp. Anything over 98.6 will be great, as temp should plummet tomorrow if cycle is a bust.
What time do you use OPKs? I was using FMU before but never got a positive, I can't test during work hours as don't want to be carrying tests around the office!
Hi NotSoNew - I use OPKs as well as temp, along with many others on this thread.
My cycles are fairly regular, and after I'd been temping a couple of months I could see that I ovulate around days 16-18 each month. Armed with that information, I've been able to get by with starting to test with OPKs around CD13 each month, expecting to get a +ve a couple of days later.
If your cycles are fairly regular, but you don't yet know when you ovulate, you should follow the manufacturer's recommendations as to when to test. For a 28 day cycle, they recommend starting to test on CD12, I think.
Once you've seen a temp shift, ovulation will already have happened... so using temperature to try to determine when to test wouldn't work.
Hi all...I have been lurking on this thread for a while as I have started temping (It is my first cycle after a MC at the end of march). I hope you don't mind me 'un-lurking' to ask you a question
I wanted to ask how (or if) you combined OPK's with temping? Do you wait until a certain CD or a certain temp shift? I tried OPK's with my first attempt at TTC but never really 'got on with them' (although I obviously O'd as I fell pregnant!) but am keen to give it a go again...especially as I am enjoying the way that temping allows me to understand my cycle.
Morning girls...sorry to see you go clairv - come back soon.... what has happened this month - everyone is disappearing.
Ready have a wonderful holiday - relax and enjoy xxx
Lottie hope DP is feeling a bit better today, I'm not sure on results information at all. Can you see a private consultant to discuss and get results verified - that is what we did and he said DH was fine when the gp initially queried morphology or something... hope ok x
Hope everyone is keeping well. Sorry for disappearing again this month, but I was trying not to obsess. Did it work? Not at all, and yesterday when my temperature plummetted I was absolutely gutted. It is amazing what tricks your mind can play on you. Even though my ov was later than normal, I had managed to persuade myself that getting to CD34 was good. Why do we put ourselves through this every month?
Anyway rant over. Fingers crossed for Herby and Tink. We could do with some good news. It does seem like forever since we had some. Sorry about the results Lottie. DH/DP's seem to take bad news far worse than us. He will get over it, but it does take time.
Hey Lottie ... sorry your DP didn't get better news. Hoping there's something can be done ...
Well, FYM as of tomorrow you won't be top of the list anymore.
Started to spot tonight after I got in from work . Feeling gutted as this is the closest I've ever gotten ... chart looked like I might have just done it too
Herby ... hope you fare better than I did!!! Everything crossed for you.
Rattling, it is strangely liberating not obsessing isn’t it? I am quite enjoying just having sex and not wondering whether to put my feet up the wall afterwards – November will fly round (if you need it to) and I am sure you will feel like a newbie all over again
Lottie, so sorry to hear that dp is so crushed. I’ve just looked at dh’s SA sheet, and I can’t see anywhere a guideline figure for 25%... what was the gp referring to? … I presume that means morphology, and as far as I can tell 15% what they consider fine – but I also think I read somewhere that 5% is the true cut off for assistance being the only option. Did his sheet give a breakdown of the motility as well? It seems odd to just give a figure of 53%. It should be broken down, as far as I am aware into subsections (Rapid progressive; slow or sluggish progressive, non-progressive; immotile)… but that said there should be 50% progressive motility, so 53% is good! I don’t want to add to the worry, but the sheet here says that volume should be 2ml or more. This is what annoys me, there is no standard across the country. My dh’s sheet has nothing to do with density. I wouldn’t even know what that means, is it anything to do with the count? How do you feel? It is good that they said his sperm is fine for iui etc, they wash it and take out the best swimmers don’t they, so that is good news. Big hugs.
Having been an internet buff all morning/afternoon I've worked out that it possibly isn't as bad as the GP made out. For a start, a lot of places report a normal result as being 15% of normal forms (and not the 25% the doctor suggested).
I can't made head or bloody tail of the other figures on the sheet... it says:
Viscosity: normal Volume (ml): 1.3 Density (x10 to the power of something but I can't bloody read it): 133 Motility: 53% Progression: fair Normal Forms (%): 8 Debris: ++ Agglutination: - Round Cells: -
That was the second test performed about a month ago. We're still waiting for the third test results. My DP is diabetic and the GP thinks that poor blood sugar management could be responsible. He's actually been managing his diet much better recently and is taking the Zita W vitamins so I'm hoping the final set of results will be better. He was told that his sperm would be viable for use in IUI/ICSI/IVF so that was good.
Slightly worryingly there's a dot just before the 8 on the photocopied form, and one just before the 7 on the first test's results done in December. However there's no zero before them, so I'm hoping the results ARE 8% and 7% respectively - and not 0.8% and 0.7% as I fear!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Lottie, my husbands came back exactly the same, but around 5%. Anything below 5% they worry about but they said everything else was OK, so they did not see it as being a fertility problem and we even did IUI, which they don't do if you have any sperm issues that effect fertility. My husbands doctor told him he had a few too many 'backwards sperm' which went down like a lead balloon. Hope DP feels a bit better soon.
Lottie - sorry DP is taking the news so badly. I was surprised just how upset my DH was by a poor SA. Is there any obvious lifestyle changes he can put into place to help?
If the count and volume is fine and they are swimming fine it may not be too much of a problem. Also, did the 25% target come from the same place that did the assesment? The criteria for "normal" is variable - if they have high standards they may not expect quite so many to reach it.
Ready - good to see you back, even better to see you on the "on holiday" list. Feeling a bit that way myself - still temping, but ttc isn't at the forefront of my mind all the time - which after 2 1/2 years is a great relief. We're on the list for IVF in November - I expect the obsession will return stronger than ever about then.
Ready - hope you're feeling better. Think I said elsewhere that I'd been giving MN a bit of a miss recently... I'm not even entirely sure why. Bring on that holiday!!
Morning to everyone else - isn't it glorious weather today?
I've just been off to the docs with DP to collect the first two results of his samples. Not good. Poor thing is really quite upset. Everything seemed normal apart from the % of 'normal' sperm, which was 7-8% (it's meant to be 25% apparently). I'm off to do a bit of research to see if there's anything further I can find out but god, it was awful seeing him look so crushed by the results.
Very sleep deprived , LO has been unwell all night. Coupled with the cramping that started yesterday and is continuing this morning I'm expecting my period today.
Temp still up but still feel AF-ish & no pg symptoms whatsoever. Will maybe test again on Thurs @ 18DPO ... trying hard not to be hopeful as it will only make it that much harder when AF arrives.
Herby ... you are a day ahead of me but we seem to be in exactly the same boat this cycle. Fingers crossed for you!
Ready ... sorry to hear you haven't felt yourself lately. Why don't we add a "On holiday: Ready" to the end of the list?? That way we've still got you??
Hello....still here. Really think AF is going to be here in the morning. Temp 37 degrees on SaT am - didn't take it Sun am and then 36.7 degrees this am so seems to be dropping although not the plunge that I've had before. Also did an internet cheapie pg test at lunchtime and had a BFN so I really don't think this is the month for me (and am still getting mild crampy feelings). I've never used those tests before but I can't see why they'd be any less reliable than a more expensive "leading brand".....she says?!....
Hi. Sorry I have been pants at posting of late... I have not been up to scratch, and to be perfectly honest, not thinking about temping or ttc at all ... I guess I should remove myself from the list, since I doubt I will be temping again before returning from my holiday... hope everyone is doing well though?
Sorry - we're moving offices this weekend so have been at work all weekend. AF got me Friday so I'm on CD4 of cycle 8 now but I haven't got back into temping. Will take myself off the list for now but pop back in occaisonally to see how you're all getting on!
Herby ... fingers crossed for you! Sounds very promising
Tink ... fingers crossed for you too
Squack ... you never know! You're only 10dpo, lots could happen yet.
FYM ... did you have a good weekend? Are you still doing your 15 mins? I'll admit I've fallen off the band wagon a day or two but I still try to get it in.
Minxi ... I wonder if your dotted lines will turn solid as you continue to temp? Sounds like they should.
Well, I caved in and tested yesterday am - BFN. Temp is still high today but not as high as it was so maybe I'll drop tomorrow. Still feel AF-ish and have no pg symptoms whatsoever ... so I guess that's that. Must just be having a long LP this cycle .
At least I've seen now that something different can happen to my cycle and if it can happen once, it can happen again ... hopefully with more positive results next time
Herby ... fingers crossed for you! Sounds very promising
Tink ... fingers crossed for you too
Squack ... you never know! You're only 10dpo, lots could happen yet.
FYM ... did you have a good weekend? Are you still doing your 15 mins? I'll admit I've fallen off the band wagon a day or two but I still try to get it in.
Minxi ... I wonder if your dotted lines will turn solid as you continue to temp? Sounds like they should.
Well, I caved in and tested yesterday am - BFN. Temp is still high today but not as high as it was so maybe I'll drop tomorrow. Still feel AF-ish and have no pg symptoms whatsoever ... so I guess that's that. Must just be having a long LP this cycle .
At least I've seen now that something different can happen to my cycle and if it can happen once, it can happen again ... hopefully with more positive results next time
Morning girls... ff has put me down as 5DPO but missed a temp yesterday morning so only dotted lines... Anyway anyone testing soon...clairePO ? clairV ? Herb?
Rainbow thank you for popping in - you are welcome anytime...I see you are thinking about #4 - are you mad!! All fine apart from still trying. Hope you are all ok - take care and keep in touch... us oldies will on the other side one day x
Lottie hope you have had a lovely relaxing retreat.. Must dash as ds1 has a football tournament today which starts in half an hour and not even dressed!! grrr and its raining again!!
Hi there all. Am now 15dpo but no sign of AF although still have sore boobs and that mild dragging feeling that I've had for what feels like days now - if I have to put bets on I suspect tomorrow morning or Tuesday - I'm pretty regular 28/29 days. Oddly temp on Sat am was up to 37 degrees - highest it's been in the last couple of months - I just decided to take it. We were away last night and I didn't take it today. I think I've already said that I'm not sure that I did really ov on the Saturday (according to FF) and more like maybe the Sunday (two weeks ago - def had ov pain on Sunday) so could be more like 14dpo. Anyway, that's by the by. I did test a few days ago and got a BFN but the only sure way to tell as we all know is for AF to arrive...SO am not holding out any hopes for this month as I'm sure AF is on her way although that said, felt the same way when I was pg with DS so who knows....!!!!!! And on that occasion I tested a day after I was due AF and got a positive so wasn't madly testing early. Had a long chat with sil this weekend who got pg with her first two very easily, then had a series of miscarriages before getting pg with no 3 after 8 months of trying and being over 40....so she made me feel a bit better about all this really (age wise really more than anything else)....so onward and upward (mmm )
and yes, it's definitely got to have hoo-har in there (even though you're NOT recruiting me for that! 
Anyway letter arrived this morning for me to make an appointment to see the specialist consultant and I did cry 
