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Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Mon 14-Apr-08 15:03:35
Welcome to verona - with you on the shock - had such a trouble free pg with DS(although pg felt different IYKWIM). Have you read the Lesley Regan book? 2 in a row is often bad luck (she says that is why the NHS don't do all the tests until 3 in a row) Fingers crossed that our luck will change for the next attempt.

PrePG - glad to hear AF has made an appearance for you. Mine is still dragging on (2 weeks!)so we might be on the 2ww together soon!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By loveverona on Mon 14-Apr-08 14:21:53
Thanks quarkee, that's the thing - trying now to stop myself thinking there's something 'wrong' with me. I mean, one mc is very common, but TWO.....in a row?! I'm sure the fact that I have had two straight forward pregs means it's more likely to be bad luck, but it's hard to think this way some days. At least with MN, you know there are others who have been/are going throught eh same or similar and that really does help. For me, anyway.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 14:17:50
thanks daisyj I know you're right - sounds loike you dealt with it v well on Sat

Way to go PrePG you're a few days ahead of me on all this so I am (amazingly) looking forward to AF coming along too now! smile

Hello verona come on in and take the comfy seat, hob nobs all round. From what I can pick up here having a break seems to be the best way to get pregnant again wink IKWYM re shock - I had a compleely normal pg with DS and then bam totally unexpected mc - you don't know what to think/feel do you? Hope it works out for you smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Mon 14-Apr-08 14:12:16
Oh, and I meant to say - scully, hope you're better today; the doc told me that more than two pads in an hour was too much, and to go back if that happened.

kazbeth I know what you mean about wanting to try again straight away. I'm 35 and mc'd four weeks ago, over the course of a week. No bleeding now for two weeks, and I think I might have been o'ing over the weekend. We'd been told to wait for first AF, but bd'd on Saturday (for first time in aaaages, and for fun and not baby-making!) and couldn't find a condom (although didn't try very hard - turned out that they were where they usually are all along, except I was looking in the dark and didn't see them).

There seems to be a lot of contradictory information about whether there is any risk about getting pg before first af, but I figure what will be will be - and the thought of using contraception seems really weird when all we want is a BABY! smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By loveverona on Mon 14-Apr-08 14:10:46
Hi All, hope you don't mind if I join you. I've been lurking for a while. My storym briefly, is that I have two DCs (DD 5yr and DS 2yr) and we started trying for a third in July 07. Mmc in Nov at 9wks then again at 5wks in March. Probably going to have a break now for a couple of months, go on hols, have a couple of glasses of the good stuff, then give it another go. Never had any spotting/bleeding with 1st 2 pregnancies, so the 2 mcs came as a big shock.

I'm pretty much over them now, but some days are easier than others. Feeling a little lonely today as we only moved here 7 months ago. Miss my mum-mates where we used to be. Ho well, that's what's so great about MN!

Sorry to read all your stories, but here's hoping for some great news all round in 08!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Mon 14-Apr-08 14:00:00
scully so sorry first about all the bleeding and then about being caught while on a day out with your dd. sad And you certainly deserved as much wine as you liked!

My good news is that my period showed up today! grin 30 days after mc. I'm so pleased that my cycle returned to normal-ish so quickly and that we can start TTC again! smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Mon 14-Apr-08 13:52:44
quarkee, re your comment yesterday, I think your DH is right, but that doesn't make it any easier. DH and I went out with friends on Saturday night, and no one said anything until I gently brought up the subject by referring to it in passing (i.e. 'After everything happened...') They seemed really relieved I'd mentioned it, and even said that they hadn't said anything as they didn't know whether I'd want to talk about it.

kate so sorry to hear your hearbreaking story. Hope this thread helps to ease the waiting and the distress a little. And for tammy too - hope you're doing OK at work today if you decided to go in. Sometimes it does help if at least one person knows, so you have a shoulder to cry on - go easy on yourself, though, and go home if you need to.

GG - will miss your pom poms and house renovation tales. Hope you'll pop in when you have good news smile

And yum to all the food. Spent the weekend stuffing my face, but saved you all some delicious Mexican food including churros and chocolate for pudding smile.

xxx
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 13:50:23
mistle is carob suitable for children - DS has been picking at his food the last couple of weeks deu to having the same couh as me and I worry he's not getting enough iron as he avoids meat at the best of times
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 13:36:45
Scully - I don't know whether you can get this easily, but if you can get hold of some carob it is fantastic at getting iron levels up - I have a teaspoon full (of the powder rather than the bar) in my breakfast cereal or with yoghurt every now and again, to keep levels up, but when I was really low after 2nd d&C (and lots of bleeding before), got my iron levels up in one week what they expected in 3 weeks with just the iron pills by having 2 or 3 tsp per day. And I'm vege, so no steaks for me! Glad it seems to have slowed down a bit - have had similar experience
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 12:25:49
well you are in Australia!!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Mon 14-Apr-08 12:11:12
Thx ladies, for your kind words, I have had said slug of chardie quarkee and am now off to bed
Tomorrow can only be a better day hmm
Thx for the advice Kazbeth, you're right, after such a sudden blood loss I do need to remember to take it easier, I shall try.....
dh cooked me a yummy steak on the bbq tonight, that was his contribution to getting my iron levels back up to normal
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 12:05:41
Sounds like wine is the best prescription scully I know it was for me - didnt say before a big WELL DONE for being so calm while getting home - it must have been so hard to act normal for DD1 - it never fails to amaze me what mothers will do/ endure to protect their LO's - that's got to be worth a slug of chardonnay smile

Green dragon mistle sounds perfect to me wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Mon 14-Apr-08 10:40:15
Thx ladies, seems to have slowed a little now, I've never in my life had to buy super pads, first time for everything. I just seem to have lost clots all afternoon, surely must stop soon. shock Probably shouldn't be having a glass of wine, but I am, after managing to keep this from dd1 (I had blood running down my legs ffs), I am just wanting to disappear into a cave until it's all over. Obviously not possible, but one can wish wink
Sorry Lissie, I've got a shocking memory at the best of times, what is LWH?
Green dragon cake sounds lovely Mistle, would it go well with my chardonnay? grin
You're all going to think I'm an wino, I'm not really, it's just the time difference wink
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Mon 14-Apr-08 10:36:07
Hello everyone new, sorry you've had to join us. However, in some ways it is reassuring to know that you're not alone, and lots of other people are going through/feeling the same things.

My offering - restricted today, sorry - ds's birthday cake - green dragon!

(diet started today, so not going to go too far down this route today!)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Mon 14-Apr-08 09:55:02
feck. cant go to LWH today, ds is still not well sad
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Mon 14-Apr-08 09:51:47
Scully I'd ring the dr just to check - when I mc'd they told me to contact them if the bleeding got bad, yours sounds like it qualifies to me. Hope you are feeling better and take it easy , hard with dd's I knwo but worth trying.

Kazbeth hello - sorry you had to join us but good to meet you. I agree re getting tired, I've had a chest infection for aaaggees now and cant shift it, just finished ab's and it still hasn't gone away so coughing like a deranged person every now and again still wink

Happy Monday morning to everyone anyway - my offering is mugs of steaming hot choc with fresh crusty bread and honey to go with it - mmmm
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kazbeth on Mon 14-Apr-08 09:12:30
scully - might be worth ringing your doctor, but to reassure you I had a lot of bleeding with my first. At one point I was changing at least every 10 minutes - more like 5 I'd guess. Once I passed the sac the bleeding calmed right down to more period like though.

Also after that much blood loss you need to take real care of yourself afterwards .. I tried to get back to normal too quick and ended up the week after being completely exhausted.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tinkerbellbringingsexyback on Mon 14-Apr-08 08:30:45
scully soory hun about all the bleeding
hope that it has calmed down abit now
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Mon 14-Apr-08 07:51:18
Kate, Kazbeth and Tammy - sorry you've had to join us, but welcome.

Kate and Tammy - will be thinking about you both this week.

Kazbeth - frustrating isn't it. I bought an ovulation microscope the other day - have been using it for a few days and it is showing I haven't ov'd yet (but that is no surprise as I'm still spotting at what I hope is the end of a 2 week af). It works by putting a spot of saliva on the lense and then looking at the pattern it makes when dry. If you are about to ov or are ov'ing a slight ferning then v.obvious ferning appears. I will let you know if it works (if I ever ov again [impatient face]).

Scully - sorry to hear about your afternoon - hope the bleeding has settled now. I think they say you should check with your Dr if you are soaking through pads at that rate.

I don't know what is normal for a natural mc as I had an ERPC. After that had very light bleeding for the first 3 days then v.heavy blood with clots for another 3 days then light again. Horrible. First af was really heavy too (again after a few light days lulling me into a false sense of security).

GG - I will miss you! Thank you for all your kind words over the last few weeks. Good luck with everything and hope you come back soon (if only to tell us the beeny effect has worked! wink).
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Mon 14-Apr-08 06:58:35
Have been wondering how things were Kate, so sorry to hear your news and will be thinking of you sad
Bye bye GG, don't stay away too long
Welcome Kazbeth, be as miserable as you like, no-one here will mind, we all take turns at it wink
Well I certainly spoke too soon, I posted on another thread this morning that it was day 6 of m/c, bleeding was constant but not horrendous and that I was going to take dd1 into the city to visit the museum etc. Big mistake, all good until about midday when my body decided it would practically haemorrhage. I was sitting in the play area of the State Library, watching dd1 play, got up, found blood where I had been sitting and realised my trousers were soaked. We made quick exit out of there to the nearest loos, I realised it was just a disaster so caught the train straight home. Probably took about an hour to get home from when I first realised, blood everywhere at this stage, managed to keep it from dd1 though shock 4hrs after this started, I'm still soaking through regular pads about every 10min, is this normal?
Sorry if this is tmi, but this caught me completely by surprise today, had just expected it to continue on how it had been, like a period. I never got to this point last year, having erpc on day 3 of bleeding.
So shocker of an afternoon really. Going to pick up dd2 from nursery, dh from work, and come home to a glass of wine hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By kate2179 on Sun 13-Apr-08 22:16:03
Thank you for the welcome girls. Good to be surrounded by people who know what we're going through and don't say stupid things (have been feeling a bit intolerant in RL blush!)

Makes me really sad to read of all your experiences. As kazbeth says, hopefully there will be no new mc storeis from any of us. I think we've all had about enough already, am sure you all agree!

divedaisy hello, did you mean the due nov08 thread? My baby was due in September (althouth I was always too scared to join the thread - with good reason as it turns out sad),I was on here last november though, is that what you meant?

tammy so sorry to hear what you're going through. Have they told you what the pill is they're going to give you because there are 2 different types. Mine is the first part of a 2 stage process due to the size of the baby, I have to be given something else 48 hours later to actually bring on labour. If you have had a blighted ovum they may be talking about methotrexate (sp?) for you? Completely up to you if that's what you want to do, but I would suggest finding out a bit about it before you take it (really don't mean that to sound patronising, hope it doesn't). It's just that it's not a very nice drug. I know there's no magic wand solution to any of this, but certainly for me, the more I found out about methotrexate last time, the more I was sure I would prefer a d&c even though that meant a general anaesthetic (sp?). Bottom line: do whatever's right for you. {{{hugs}}}

Georgie so sorry to see you go, I know we never really 'met' last time, but I do remember you. Good luck with the renovations (not to sound like a stalker, but I've been lurking on here for a while...blushblush!)

Lissie thank you so much for your messages, on here and over with the Knicker Checkers - I've read your posts in the past and I really admire your strength. Your DD is lucky to have such a wonderful mummy smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kazbeth on Sun 13-Apr-08 20:40:49
Thanks tinkerbellbringingsexyback (that's a very long name to type lol)

I did think about taking temps but I know I'd just forget and make the whole thing pointless - I used to forget the pill all the time so eventually had to give up on that years ago. I have been given some ovulation sticks though so will give those a try next month.

Here's hoping this month's the month for all of us - might make the maternity wards a bit cosy and full in 9 months but, hey
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tinkerbellbringingsexyback on Sun 13-Apr-08 19:45:45
hi kazbeth
so sorry to hear about your miscarriages
poor you
i am not suprised that you are fed up
i have just started temping on ff charts.
i am on cd23 have only being trying for number 2 for 3 months came off pill jan 23rd so first cycle was 55 days.
i dont know when i ovulated either.
it is so easy to imagine symptoms isnt it

heres hoping that you have some good luck soon and have your much needed sticky bean
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By kazbeth on Sun 13-Apr-08 19:01:38
Hi, Can I join in please
So how do these threads work .. Should I read all 40 pages or is it more of a chat type thing?

Well, it's been 4 weeks since my last miscarriage and I have to say I'm feeling a bit fed up (make that a lot).

We decided to try straight away as I'm nearly 36 and we've been trying for nearly a year now so time is ticking by. I had another miscarriage about 4 months ago when I was 12 weeks pregnant. The last one was at 5 weeks which was significantly less traumatic but still very upsetting. Now I just want to be pregnant again.

I've no real idea about when I might have ovulated this month if at all, but I've been imagining symptoms - very very tired and a bit crampy but that could be down to anything I know. I did test (couldn't help myself) but it was negative. It's awful not knowing how long it'll be until my next period is due.

Sorry for such a miserable post.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Sun 13-Apr-08 18:41:20
and *dive daisy* too - welcome. Sorry about missing you off. blush

Take care GG, keep your pom poms in the cupboard...you necer know when you might need them smile

Champagne is going down v well - LOL re your 3am experience! I know what you mean.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Sun 13-Apr-08 18:38:35
kate and tammy hello, sorry you had to join this thread but happy to meet you. I was on the Nov 08 thread too but fleetingly. I hope you get through the next few days relatively unscathed. Good luck re work tammy I went straight back but am thinking it may have been a bit too soon as have had a few episodes of it all getting a bit too much and wanting to run and hide in the loo.

CAn't believe TF's story - what must she be feeling like now I wonder??

Had a wierd weekend - we went to my niece's 21st and it was the first time I had seen my SIL and nieces since the mc - not a word was said, not even 'how are you?' Cant help feeling a bit upset, it was real after all and they were all so thrilled when they found out i was pg. DH said they didnt want to upset me but the irony is it did anyway! Ho hum. Here's wishing lots of BFP's to the 2ww-ing girls smile

ALso, did anyone read the artilce in Red re mc? I read it at the airport on Friday night when v tired - BIG mistake - I was in tears at passport control blush
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By HeyThereGeorgieGirl on Sun 13-Apr-08 18:38:25
Hello lovely ladies. And very big welcome and ((((hugs))) to Kate, Tammy and Dive Daisy. Especially sorry to hear about your situation Kate. I remember you from Nov m/c thread. My heart goes out to you all. There's plenty of tissues, cake and shoulders to cry on here. I know everybody says it, but pleae take care of yourselves. Easier said than done when you're angry, confused and scared. This is certainly a time to be selfish and concentrate on you.

It was DH's birthday yesterday. Went out for lovely meal. Had a few glasses of vino and was in the bathroom at 3am pukking guts up. Feel rough as hairy eggs today blush. Think it's safe to say that my drinking days are long behind me.

I've also decided that I'm going to allow myself to 'graduate' from the thread. Hard decision as you've all be fantastically supportive, but I think I need to be away from babies, ttc and pg for a while as it's starting to take over my life. So, I'm passing over the pom poms of fertility to someone else grin. I will be lurking in the background though and will have fingers crossed for everyone ttc. I really really hope that everyone gets what they want.

I leave you with a HUGE home-made moist choclatey Devil's Food cake with fresh cream filling, caramel sauce and fresh strawberries and a glass of champagne. xxxxxx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By tammycc on Sun 13-Apr-08 17:18:46
Hello all, thank you for being so lovely and welcoming, it has made me feel less alone knowing that there are other people who understand and have experienced similar and hearbreaking losses.
kate hello and welcome, I am also expecting to be given the pill that will induce a MC on Thursday sad
Planning to go into work tomorrow, hoping that I will be feeling a bit less down, and that I won't be asked if I am better yet (people think I am off with a cold).
xxx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Sun 13-Apr-08 16:51:59
Hi Kate, I remember you from Nov 08 thread, so know about the triploidy and what you've been through. I think you're well within your rights to insist on genetic tests. You would be worried sick if you were to get pregnant again without knowing for sure tht everything is OK with you and your DH, and that would not be good for you. I hope next weekend will be ... I don't know what to say blush Kate. I don't want you to go through a traumatic experience, yet I know it will be very emotional and sad for you and your family. I will be thinking of you, and I'll pass a prayer on for you too xx Thomas is a lovely name. I hope you get all the help and support you need - and you know we're all here for you when you need us. xx

napa - thanks for the 2ww explanation

scully - hi again! and thanks about the AF and ovulation information!

Well must go and rescue my sons fish from the oven - our next door neighbour caught it for him today!! Fresh or what! Yum xx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Sun 13-Apr-08 15:18:16
Looks like you do click on the envelope by my name but I htink it costs £5 in order for you to contact me. Are you on money savings expert.com I could PM you on that with my email...
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Sun 13-Apr-08 15:12:03
I don't know where the thing to click is - I thought it was along the top with all the other search options and so on. You are looking for something that says Contact another talker or soemthing like that..
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By kate2179 on Sun 13-Apr-08 14:36:05
Thank you all for the welcome. Cece am being very thick, to CAT you do I just click on the envelope icon on one of your messages? xx
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Sun 13-Apr-08 14:14:37
Kate so sorry to hear about this, good luck next week.

To every one - I am off on holiday today. Should have been going away pregnant and happy but not now so feel a bit weird about going but its double birthday celebration for me and dh so going to try my best to enjoy even if just for dd's sake. Thanks for all your support over the last 2 weeks and see you when I come back. Hope everyone else is ok in the meantime
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By cece on Sun 13-Apr-08 13:56:58
Kate,
I was wondering how things were. So sorry to hear this. Your induction sounds the same as mine. CAT me if you want to talk.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tinkerbellbringingsexyback on Sun 13-Apr-08 13:22:59
welcome kate
so sorry that you have had to go through so much heartache
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By lissielou on Sun 13-Apr-08 12:18:44
kate, so sorry to see you back here. been trying to stay away but not doing a good job.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By kate2179 on Sun 13-Apr-08 12:16:46
Hello ladies, may I join you (again) please? A lot of you are familiar faces from other threads, or maybe from when I was last here, last Nov, Dec, Jan.
My story: first found out I was pg last September, big shock as we weren't trying, but fantastic news. Private scan when I was 7-8wks (cos we were impatient and I was unsure of my dates) showed baby only 4-5wk size and no hb, cue a heartbreaking 4-5weeks of "wait and see" and more scans before an erpc on 2nd Nov.
We waited a cycle before trying again and were thrilled to get a bfp on 14th jan.
Had a tough time from the start, had some hcg blood tests whch showed levels not doing as they should, but a scan at 6+5 showed a strong hb and baby measuring right for dates. Was told by the epu not to worry about the blood results, as they mean nothing once you have had a successful scan...
Then had a few episodes of spotting so more scans at 8+4 and 10+1 which were both fine.
12 week scan and nuchal on 14th March seemed good til we got the results of the blood tests which showed hormone levels so low they were off the scale. They repeated the test to check it and we have been having weekly scans from the consultant since who has been "increasingly pessimistic" despite baby continuing to measure right for dates.
Had an amnio last wednesday at 15.5 and got the results on Friday which showed that the baby has a very rare chromosome disorder called triploidy - basically an extra copy of every chromosome. Babies with triploidy cannot survive, it is 'incompatible with life'.
We have been given the choice of waiting for mc to happen naturally at some stage between now and 40 weeks which would become increasingly dangerous for me as the baby gets bigger, or having a medically managed mc. Neither option is very tempting, but we have decided ther is no point for any of us in prolonging the inevitable.
So I have to go in to take a tablet next thursday or friday which will 'turn off' my pregnancy hormones and then I'll go into hospital next saturday or sunday to be induced.
We found out on friday that our baby is a little boy and we will call him Thomas.
We're planning to wait a while before trying again. We're going to fight for chromosome testing on us to make sure this isn't inevitably going to happen again and again. We've been told that there's unlikely to be any link between this and what happened last time and that it's very unlikely that the triploidy has been casued by any genetic problem with me or DH, but I don't think "very unlikely" is going to be enough for me to face going into a new pregnancy. I need to know that next time we have as good a chance as anyone else of things working out.

So that's me. Sorry for the long introduction.
Next time I'm here I will make sure to bring cake and hot chocolate smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Sun 13-Apr-08 00:51:34
Sorry to hear your news Tammy, I had a blighted ovum m/c last Aug and another m/c this week, so understand your shock at getting so far along before finding out there was a problem.
Bye Emmsy, hope you're not away for too long.
Your flat sounds great Daisy, hope it goes through.
Divedaisy, your af may take a while to return, doesn't mean you're not ovulating in the meantime though. After my erpc last year, af took 40 days to arrive initially and 65 days for a 2nd cycle to arrive.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Sat 12-Apr-08 23:53:34
2ww is the 2 weeks wait from ovulation until af or being able to test.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Sat 12-Apr-08 23:27:24
Tammy, I was on the Nov 08 thread too, but had an ERPC on the 4th April for an anembryonic preg or blighted ovum too. I was offered to let nature do its thing or pessaries, but I asked for the D&C type procedure to get it over and done. Hope it goes well for you, but sorry you have to face it. xx

Napa - good luck with ttc - lets all grab our DH/DPs - I would but mine has left today for a week in Bulgaria.sadenvy

Could someone please tell me what 2ww means!!? It's not on the acronym list and I just cannot work it out!!hmm

Also - you all seam to be on the ball with your ovulation charts etc - how on earth do you know when you are ovulating? I thought you could tell when your vaginal discharges go glupy!!? I had ERPC 10 days ago, haven't had AF yet, and I'm just wondering, cos we are ttc again.

Twinkle - THAT IS AMAZING NEWS!! UNBELIEVABLE MIRACLE!!! I'll pop over to the Nov 08 thread and say Hi to you!! Bless your Pea!!xx
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Nina2 on Sat 12-Apr-08 19:35:42
Hi, new here too. Tammy and Napa, sorry to hear your news. Same here (ERPC beginning of Feb) and we've just started TTC again.

Trying to keep calm and sane, but it's not working!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Sat 12-Apr-08 18:50:22
Hi! Tammy, sorry you're having a hard time at the moment. Same for me last week. I had ERPC last tues. Know what you mean about TTC asap. Hope things go ok for you. I've found loads of info on MN so hope it helps.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Sat 12-Apr-08 18:41:47
Hi tammy sorry you've had to join us but welcome. This thread has lots of lovely people on it.

So sorry to hear about your mmc/blighted ovum sad. I had the same thing at the beginning of March. Found out when I was 10 weeks along. Awful shock - how are you doing at the moment?

I had an ERPC because I didn't want to wait for it to happen naturally - like you I wanted to get my cycle back so I could start ttc asap.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tinkerbellbringingsexyback on Sat 12-Apr-08 18:10:54
hi ladies

here is my temperature chart
www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f3edd

any comments?
did i ovulate cd17?
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By tammycc on Sat 12-Apr-08 17:56:02
hello ladies, I hope I can join your thread - I was hanging about on the due Nov 08 thread until Thursday, when I was given the news during my 1st scan (at 11 weeks) that I had an anembryonic pregnancy or blighted ovum - i.e. everything there except the baby - what a shock. sad
I have been asked to return next Thurs for another scan, after which they will offer me a medical interviention to start my M/C, if it has not already kicked off naturally by then. I am desperate for this to all be a thing of the past so that I can start TTC again.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Sat 12-Apr-08 15:43:29
MN can be a little addictive! Bye emmsy - good luck with everything - pop back to let us know how you are getting on now and then! smile
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Spink on Sat 12-Apr-08 09:15:32
Emmsy -I'm sad to see you go, and hope that in the future you'll be back... You have been an absolute treasure, warm and supportive and just lovely, and I will miss you on here!
GOOD LUCK and take care, lady!
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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Emmsy1 on Sat 12-Apr-08 08:12:27
Just a quickie girls, I have decided to leave m/n as I have found that it is taking over from my life a little. I wish you all success in getting your BFP's and that you don't have to wait too long for the babies that you all so dearly desire, lots of love to you allXX
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Fri 11-Apr-08 15:58:48
mistlethrush - not bought the flat yet, but so nearly there. We haven't seen anything else nearly as good in the area for the price, so even though it needs work we think it'll be worth it. God knows where we'll live if we can't buy it. It has a 22-foot living room with French windows out to the garden. It's only two bed but BIG. Sounds grand, but you can get quite a lot for your money in our corner of SE London (although not usually as much as this, which is why we're desperately crossing our fingers).

Can't wait to have more room - in our little one bedroom flat right now my wardrobe is like a living thing that threatens to engulf us and every drawer and cupboard is bulging at the seams!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Fri 11-Apr-08 15:52:05
PrePG lol about Ken and Gok grin. We're big fans of Gok in our house. I actually sometimes worry that DH is a bit too fond of him!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Fri 11-Apr-08 15:15:42
Oh, and such an amazing story from TF And although one might be pissed off at the hospital for screwing up the first time with the diagnosis, she's got to be thrilled that they screwed up a second time and missed the LO with the botched D&C!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By PrePG on Fri 11-Apr-08 15:14:00
Didn't get a chance to read all of this, but GG OMG, I think you're right. At one point I was watching the Beeny and thought Man, she's been pregnant for three seasons now! There must be lots of overlap in when they filmed some of them. Or maybe she's trying for a girl...?

And RE: Gok, I don't want him to make Ken Livingstone look good naked, I want him to replace Ken as mayor! grin He just seems like such a wonderful person. I know I don't know him or anythign about him other than what you see on the show, but I don't know, I just love him. DH and I sit there watching and I actually say "I want to be friends with Gok" grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Fri 11-Apr-08 14:03:04
Amazing news from TF! Pretty hmm about the hospital though.

I had an appointment at 3.20 yesterday - got in at 4.15... All blood tests but lupuus were OK, redone some for that (it was inconclusive), but the consultant said that, based on ds being a healthy, full term, large baby, it was very unlikely that those would show up positive. However, in unexplained mc, they normally have 2 options - asprin - well, consultant 2 days before said avoid that - and hormones - previous mp means that I can't have that, so nothing different that I can do. Although might end up with a joint allergy/mc appointment hmm!

Daisy - have you bought the flat? What's it like?

I'm actually 2ww symptom spotting - which is very unusal for me. Last time, took looking up on mn when last af came just to be sure!

Being decended upon by 10 3 yo on Sunday which will be interesting. Wish me luck!!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By daisyj on Fri 11-Apr-08 13:46:18
Hi ladies. Just popped in to offer you some Thornton's caramel shortbread, and what do I find? Tales of the Unexpected grin. What an amazing story! I've been trying to catch up with everyone else, but there's been so much going on, I don't have a hope.

I stayed off MN for a while just trying to process everything and deal with work (v. busy) and flat-buying, but I've missed the company!

This week has been really hard after Saturday spent with my cousin's family - she's due two days before I would have been, and they've all just found out. Slapped a big smile on my face every time someone said 'isn't it wonderful about M' and managed not to run to the loo and cry. She knows what happened but lives in China so wasn't there, and the others don't know that I was pg. Hopefully I will be again by Christmas, when she comes over, but either way I want it to be a happy time for everyone, not diluted by their worrying about me... I talk to her regularly and she's been great, so it's fine between us, except that we're both really sad not to be having our 'twins'.

Anyway, just waiting for AF now and looking forward to ttc again smile.

And yes, GG, I thought the same about Ms Beeny, but DH said it was my PG obssessed brain!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Fri 11-Apr-08 11:04:32
bunnyinheadlights Reflexology was great - I can't recommend it enough. I think that the increased appetite was because she did alot of work on my digestion 'areas' as I have definitely noticed that I am less bloated (And constipated (Sorry if TMI)) since then. I got really lucky and found her on the internet, she was one of the only practitioners I could find in my area. I am in West London if that is any use to you?

Scully I am sorry your mc started but am pleased that it is bringing you relief and the ability to move on.

quarkee I am envy of that hotel...any choc-chip icecream on your menu?

What an amazing story for Twinkling, exactly what we need to remind us that miracles happen and there is always hope. I can imagine the absolute emotional turmoil involved with the anger / elation / fear - I went through something similair...but seeing a heartbeat is just such good news. Wow, am going to grin on her behalf all day...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Fri 11-Apr-08 09:55:34
scully - sorry to hear about your mc. Take it easy and look after yourself.

bunny you posted a week or so ago about your af dragging on for 9 days and still spotting. When did it finish? I'm still spotting on cd11 and getting very fed up with it!

mollie hope you are feeling a bit better today.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By jassara on Fri 11-Apr-08 09:51:09
Morning Ladies, OMG! what a story about Twinkling! What are the odds of that happening! its shocking but fantastic news!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Oblomov on Fri 11-Apr-08 07:43:54
Scully, I missed your post. I am so sorry. sad
I have been totally self absorbed for the last couple of weeks, so my apologies to everyone.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Oblomov on Fri 11-Apr-08 07:40:00
Twinkling? God what a shock. In a nice way, I mean. She is on my antenatal thread aswell. Back on it - ha ha - now that has got to be a turn up for the books grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Fri 11-Apr-08 07:26:31
I know, saw it on the other thread, isn't that amazing shock. I had read on other websites about some babies being hard to locate until at least 10wks, but to have a d&c and still be pregnant, wonder how it managed to hide itself away? Wonderful news though for TF grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Fri 11-Apr-08 07:20:16
i saw this when she posted last night. think its fantastic news but shocked at the hosp!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Emmsy1 on Fri 11-Apr-08 06:39:51
girls you have to check out this incredible post from Twinklingfairy!!!

omg omg OMG!!!!
Was called back to the docs today. Was travelling south at the time and was about 70miles away (an hour and a half?).
About turn with the car cos was told that my hCG levels had Doubled!!
Scary news!

Went to the hospital again, with my full bladder for a scan.
The lady doing it said she wanted the consultant to have a look too and pos do an internal for a better look.
So I am lying there on the bed thing, dying for a wee, whilst the doc comes in, From Home!! Just five minutes they kept saying, he is walking in. OMG, Run man! I am going to explode!

So, in he comes wee scan over the tum and he sends me out to empty my bladder so that he can do the internal. He may have good news he says, Yeah like it is easily fixed and I won't need chemo, fab

In the thing goes and up on the screen comes.......................................................wait for it, it's good..............................................................................................A Heartbeat!!!!!!!!
Not only that but a baby!! I could see it's spine, its head and it's stubby little arms. And that heartbeat!? Wow!

OMG I am pregnant! 7+3weeks

WTF! I had a D&C!?
HTF did the little blighter survive?
But there it is, healthy and normal looking!

I am in shock and have no clue how I feel and what to feel.
Cross for the c@ck up, the anxiety, fear.
Elation, I am pregnant!
Fear again, I may still get very sick. Hyperemisis could still happen again.

omg omg OMG!!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Fri 11-Apr-08 00:56:31
That should read 'extra hour's driving'.......
Forgot to also say, sorry you're feeling down Mollie, hopefully your break at the end of month will be relaxing for you.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By scully on Fri 11-Apr-08 00:54:13
Bunny, you left my favourite ice cream, cookies and cream wink
Welcome Jassara, I had to avoid dd2's playgroup after my 1st m/c last year, there was a lady there due same month as me and it would have been all too much.
Congrats Jackstini, wonderful news grin
Go Daisy, we'll be back ttc soon I hope as well.
Well, not great news but more of a relief for me, 2nd m/c finally started on Wed, hasn't been too heavy, just constant I guess, and no cramping and I managed to be at work Wed and Thurs and not too shouty at home blush
Had more blood taken yesterday so back to the gynae today to see those results and see what they suggest now. Hopefully just a scan next week sometime to make sure it's complete.
School holidays here this week, so dd1 is coming with me to my appt, she is 6 later this month and doesn't miss anything so will be having a coded conversation with the dr, should be interesting hmm To leave her with her grandparents would be an extra's driving in the wrong direction from the hospital so can't be arsed doing that, basically hmm dd2 can go to daycare at least, thank goodness, she is lovely but she is also 2, which should say it all wink
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Thu 10-Apr-08 22:09:35
just reread my post, I meant to say I won't see DS until Saturday either - no link to previous sentence (obviously) blush
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Thu 10-Apr-08 22:07:09
Hi everyone - mollie sad am yet to have AF but am not looking fwd to it. Lots of warm hugs and 'there there's'. Good luck at the docs, can't believe they'd think you were being OTT. Mistle hope you got good and useful news. napa thanks for decoding, I was lucky i suppose not to find out the hard way.

We're not officially ttc becasue we were advised to wait a cycle although there has been a bit of 'action' blush but am now sat in a hotel room in Switzerland convinced i am ovulating and no way of making the most of it hmm sorry if tmi. Work trips are not fun sometimes - I wont see DS until Saturday sad

On the plus side I booked into a Movenpick hotel who are ofcourse also ICECREAM manufacturers and have just finished the most delicious vanilla and caramelita double whammy - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. And yes, i chose the H becasue of the icecream blush Banana split anyone??
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Spink on Thu 10-Apr-08 21:02:37
georgiegirl - the repeat of property ladder is on More4 right now. I will be watching the Beeny's bump area closely and will report back! x
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Spink on Thu 10-Apr-08 19:54:26
evening everyone!
thanks again for your wonderfulness during my wobble on Monday. feeling more normal again now, a bit sad still but I'm so not going to beat myself up for it. georgiegirl returning the hugs. af isn't great at the best of times let alone now, huh?... ok, so how about some chocolate and cream tart with fresh raspberries? Or a sticky toffee pudding with custard.. and vanilla ice cream. Or some coconut macaroon haagen daazs..

molliemooma <squeeze> I know how you feel. You will feel different soon, I promise. For now, look after yourself, do soothing things and check in here lots! and beat your GP with a bag of old socks if s/he won't help you.

MrsMattie did you have your scan yesterday? how did it go, lady? ... and mistle I've been looking out for you and news of your results at the rec mc unit today. Hope they've been able to tell you something useful smile

Notsonew I wanted to ask how you found your reflexologist. I'm tempted to give it a go, even if it doesn't 'work', I absolutely LOVe having my feet poked/pummelled/scratched/stroked so it might be an enjoyable experience?? If hunger is a common side effect tho, I might pass. Am eating so so so much at the moment, all my clothes are too tight blush

oh my goodness and Jackstini bloody hell fabulous news!!!!!!! yay for you and so much stickiness for your bean grin keep us posted please with news of sickness and the like...

hello jass welcome.. how is it going?

and hello everyone else, too. hope your evenings are relaxing. anyone want to inspire me with news of what they're eating tonight? Need to make dinner soon and feeling very food-boring..
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By HeyThereGeorgieGirl on Thu 10-Apr-08 18:38:04
Oh, and it was the new series of Property Ladder that aired last night. Am not going loopy. Honest grin.

And how much do you LOVE Gok Wan? That man could make Ken Livingstone look good naked grin grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By HeyThereGeorgieGirl on Thu 10-Apr-08 16:13:08
Just throw anything sweet, calorific and highly fattening my way please ladies. AF got me on Wed and whilst I'm not TTC it's made me feel really wobble emotionally. So (((HUGS))) to all of you that are currently being visited by her. it's a bit of emotional rollercoaster isn't it?

NSN - am going to go for accupuncture and if money would permit then I'd def do reflexology as well.

Bunny - hope work trip OK. Nick all the smellies in the bathroom - always makes me feel better esp if they are Molton Brown ones [slightly guilty emotion] grin.

And is it my imagination or is flippin' Sarah beeny pg again angry hmm? Watched property ladder last night and am sure she's up the duff again.....

Mistle - good luck at the clinic. Hope you get some answers.

Hi to everyone else. Not sure what my offering will be today <G sifts thru mental images of all cakes known to man....> Ooooo, how about a big, sticky choc eclair with fresh cream oozing out of it? xxxx
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By MollieMooma on Thu 10-Apr-08 12:40:31
Thank you ladies for your lovely comments, I'm really struggling to keep it together and then you all go and make me cry again! Going away at the end of the month, so just going to relax and see what happens. We'll have been trying for 2 years in June, so may go back to GP, do you think they will shrug me off and say "Well at least you know you can conceive" and not do anything. Mind you if I go like I am at the moment they will lock me up! grin
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By elibumbum on Thu 10-Apr-08 12:16:10
Mollie and jass sorry af got you sad. It is such an emotional roller coaster of waiting, hoping and disappointment. It takes it toll on you mentally at the best of times

Please join me in finishing off the uneaten easter eggs I've just discovered.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Thu 10-Apr-08 11:21:50
mollie you have to do what feels best and right for you. dont beat yourself up for feeling blue - when you are ttc, that's all that's on your mind on the 2ww and every twinge can be interpreted as something more - it's quite a mental exercise. be kind to yourself. x

notsonew reflexology sounds great! it's nice to have alternative therapy and have your thoughts about your health validated that the doctors and consultants wont even dream about talking about. after tons of scan and palpating, they still couldnt find the cause of my side pain, but my acupuncturist located it right away, said it was my bowel and surface muscles, and treated, and (touch wood) i have not had the pain since!

going on a work trip now till sunday angry , so wish you all a good weekend! (unless i manage to find access to the internet somehow...)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By NotSoNewAnymore on Thu 10-Apr-08 10:59:49
welcome jassara sorry about your tough time at playgroup - being around pregnant ladies & newborns is always such a challenge.

mollie sad that you are feeling down. Maybe a months break is exactly what you need? I know what you mean about the shouting at the back of your mind though!! (Shouting while banging loudly on drums, more like it!)

mistlethrush good luck at the clinic!

I had my first reflexology appointment yesterday and I am converted - it was great. She was really good and pinpointed some very spcific health issues I have. For anyone else that has been to reflexology - did you find that you were really hungry afterwards? I don't normally have a large appetite but last night could not stop eating...very odd!

On that note...anyone for a yummy Neuhaus Champagne Truffle Chocolate? (Sometimes I love my Belgian collagues!!)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By jassara on Thu 10-Apr-08 10:15:10
She got me too mollie sad

I know how you feel about it all getting too emotional but you just can't help it.

When i got pregnant in Nov which ended in MC Jan, it was on the first month of ttc, i swear it's because i'd had a three year break from ttc ds2 so i was relaxed and hadn't started to get emotional.

Well lets hope the title of this thread is true to us all smile the sweet goodies certainly are...feel like i've put on a few pounds already!
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Mollie
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By MollieMooma on Thu 10-Apr-08 09:34:20
Well she got me sad I've decided not to temp or do OPK's this month, I'm feeling really low at the moment, not handling anything at work, getting emotional all far too embarassing blush Have decided I need a break, well that's what I'm telling myself but we all know it stays in the back of your mind shouting all the time!

Hope everyone else is well <<waves>>

I can bring some homemade chocolate cake with chocolate buttons on the top for today's offering? Really enjoyed the ice cream, cookies, and sticky toffee pudding thanks girls <<Mollie rubs her belly appreciatively>>
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Wed 09-Apr-08 23:12:05
hello mistle (bunny smiles with traces of sticky toffee pudding on her face) forgot to say good luck with the 2ww - agonising to wait, hope you get what you want at the end
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By mistlethrush on Wed 09-Apr-08 22:59:03
Sticky toffee pudding anyone? (With custard, Green & Blacks vanilla ice cream or cream of course) grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Jackstini on Wed 09-Apr-08 22:01:12
ooh - yes Quarkee - Detox - that sounds like a good excuse!
Welcome Jassara - sorry you are having to join us but hoping some good luck rubs off on you.
Dive*Daisy smile at you getting it on 4 days after EPRC - whatever works for you!
GG I'll have a strawberry cream please - oh bugger, it's already gone. Coffee cream then.
Thanks for all my congrats and good luck wishes - it means so much when I haven't told anyone except dh in RL!
I have got to get packing now ready for tomorrow but will leave you all some GU choc puddings to share tonight...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By bunnyinheadlights on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:34:23
just popping in quickly to say a BIG CONGRATS to jackstini grin grin hope to join you on the other thread one day! lots of sticky sticky dust to you!

work trips are so tiring - they can be so fun when not pg or ttc but so hard to do when you are trying to do something for yourself in your own private life. am not drinking right now and am finding hard to explain that even though not ttc - there's only so long one can say one is "detoxing"!

welcome to jass hope we manage to bring a smile back to your face. we are all going through the same thing - it;s nice to know you are not alone.

divedaisy that's great that you have your own business. the freedom to call your own hours is what i am dreaming about. i am happy to work hard, but not at the cost of seeing dd for 10 mins in the morning and 1 hour at night. i can do so much when she naps in the afternoon and when she is in bed. and am happier and more efficient.

mollie fingers crossed for you still - you never know.

hello to everyone else (leaves a big tub of hagen daz cookiers and cream ice cream...)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Wed 09-Apr-08 21:03:37
ERPC is evacuation of retained products of conception similar to a D&C. I had one last week cos my scan found a missed miscarriage (i should have been 10+5 but fetus measured 9+ with no heartbeat)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By quarkee on Wed 09-Apr-08 20:58:02
Sorry girls i am being dumb but what does ERPC stand for? Ive figuredout all the other acronyms but this one beats me -I know waht you mean just cant get the words right blush
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By MollieMooma on Wed 09-Apr-08 20:51:07
PrePg Sorry I can't keep up with who is ttc and who isn't but like you said at least you know where you are in your cycle!
ladyhelen & Mistle Good Luck with 2WW girlies x
Quarkee Hope you start feeling better soon
Jackstini Good luck with scan on the 9th
Jassara Sorry you had to join us, but so glad you find us so that you can have rant, moan, cry or just generally chat, oh and of course eat loads of chocolate and cakes (virtually) wink and on that note GG I've just had the strawberry cream mmm, thanks grin

DiveDaisy Still positive and upbeat I see, well done missus.
Napa Hope your feeling better now, keep an eye on yourself
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By napa on Wed 09-Apr-08 20:37:48
no we're the same but just to be warned my ERPC was last tues and suddenly last night had bad period pain and bled loads (sorry if tmi). its stopped again today but was very weird so just beware
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By divedaisy on Wed 09-Apr-08 20:10:11
Bunny - Ilove your theory about working for yourself and only getting in mums to work for you cos you knwo they'll work real hard! That sounds like a great idea (or idear as my ds says!!). I own my own Ltd company along with my hubby, and yes it's great being your own boss and working the hours that suit you, but believe it or not I think I'm working longer hours now than when I was a civil servant (well I know there wasn't much work done but hey!!... only joking - I DID work and hard too!!) But I can work when I want to and at the moment it suits me fine. Saying that we've only been established less than a year, so it's still at the early busy mad stage!

As for me ERPC -the service I got was great I have to admit I kind of thought it was standard! MAybe it should be suggested to your Trusts.

And we are ttc again - already!! 4 days after the ERPC - is that too early?
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By jassara on Wed 09-Apr-08 19:47:36
Thank you for the welcomes and the offer of yummy chocs!!

Think my AF is rearing her ugly head too GG