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Sorry went into mega rant before getting to the point. Basically, cereal prices increase, oil prices increase..therefore cows eat cereal, milk prices increase, transport costs increase...your food prices increases.
Cereal prices have gone up on a worldwide basis due to a combination of increased production of biofuels, droughts and increased consumption of cereals in china and asia, if those are not the real real reasons then some spectulators are making a fast buck aswell off those assumptions.
Whereas supermarkets can keep other food products low and cut their profit margins to keep people coming through the door, they KNOW that they don't need to because YOU ARE A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE the only issue for them is concern about switching brands.
This is my main concern about formula companies, they don't care about you struggling to afford this shite, they don't care about your babies digestion, they don't care there have been copious amounts of research saying that formula feeding is detrimental to babies health. ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS THEIR PROFITS.
Cant believe these companies, been into sainsburys and Asda and both these now selling Hipp organic at almost £1 dearer. think i agree wiv jiffybaby "big fat profits and bonuses" to hell with us sufferin families out there. I currently have 3 tins of good old farleys left and was planning to give hipp a go, but by the time I do it that will be the same price as the rest of em. Anyway my boycott is gong well, not bought ANYTHING Heinz at all. We all need to keep it up!!!
Im still annoyed about this! Ive told all my friends and family about it alot of them wont be buying heinz products - that'll teach em! Why couldnt they have kept the farleys and also brought out the nurture so there was an option for ppl on low incomes or just ppl that were getting along perfectly fine with the farleys.
[Hmm] , after reading most posts, what happened to "Bond"? i think that she WAS an "inside job" and has scarpered cos she's been rumbled!!! lol ... anyhoo, i too have emailed Heinz many times regarding Farleys and have also received....erm.... NO REPLY! They are obviously not too bothered about the consumers feelings or the credit cruch, and how a majority of us all now are cutting back because everything is going up apart from our wages, so to add £3 or more onto a jazzed up tin it shows they are just more worried about lining their own pockets with big fat profits and bonuses.
If anyone is trying to find some, our local Lidl has MASSES of Farley's first and second milk in still - might be worth looking if you've got a Lidl locally?
Delighted to say that have managed NOT TO BUY ANY HEINZ products, at all, for the whole of this month ...nearly slipped up over the chicken soup but hubby reminded me & put the other, well known, condensed variety in trolley instead, lol!!!! I have every intention of boycotting heinz for ever now - my boys are still not right, they went from contented, happy twins to being two nightmares at feed time & I only have heinz to blame, I could happily harm people for this! Hope some more of you are joining me in the boycott - would be good to get a list of names going, just to send to the muppetts at heinz, so they can see that yes, consumers do STILL have a voice!
I am fuming about this and im glad to see i'm not alone! I was under the impression they were just going to change the name. I was expecting a price increas of 50p or so but it has almost doubled in price. We buy our milk from Asda's and a tin of Farleys was £4.87 it now costs £8.99 for Nurture. I wrote a letter to heinz saying how disappointed we felt about the increase in the cost just for changing the name and mention their slogan "committed to low prices' and how they clearly aren't committed at all, and we got a snotty letter back from them stating that they have also changed the ingrediants that's why it has increased in price. I thought they were meant to be 'experts' in infant nutrition so surely they realise that this can cause stamach upsets and constipation. We simply could not afford this increase as we are a young family living on a very strict budget especially with the increase in fuel, food and gas. It would have cost us an extra £18 per month which we dont have. We switched to SMA but it made him sickly then we tried c&g and this gave him a rash and he was even more sick. We are stuck now? has anyone got any suggestions to any other milks? I certainly wont be buying anymore heinz products. Please lets all stick together and boycott their products - Hit them were it hurts. Surely there is a food standard agency for infant milk that we can write to, to complain? This shouldnt be allowed.
What's the normal price for Hipp Organic? I'm sure it was under £5 per tub when this thread started, but also sure in Asda last night that it had gone up to £5.50!
If Heinz wasn't constipating a baby, then the Nurture is giving them runny poos, I feel pretty sure that the reason for this is the modified vegetable oil (Betapol) they have added to it that is doing so.
Surely if you added a tablespoon of cooking oil to your 3 meals a day you would find that your bowels also loosened up. And babies more than 3 bottles of formula a day. This is a rough analogy but there you go.
Heinz is charging you nearly £8 for the luxury of giving your baby diarrhea.
Becka - funny that. I filled my car up with petrol, the next day the supermarkets cut the price! 2 weeks later, I still don't need to fill up lol.
Anyhoo back to topic just wanted to say that if anyone lives in Basildon or there around, the Lidl in Laindon (opposite the shopping centre0 as loads of Farley's - the purple tubs and the blue ones, I think they were £4.64 or thereabouts. Sorry can't get some as I was visiting my mum at the time and I am now back home in Teesside. It would be worth checking local Lidl stores, as I'm sure thatcan't be the only one to have them! HTH
The extra ingredients do not suit everyone, my Son has been on Farleys for 20 months (hates cows milk) and when the milk changed I assumed it was just been re packaged but after 2 days on Nurture milk he developed constant runny poo, needing nappy changes every 30 mins to an hour, this obviously distressed him (and us. After HV telling us we should not change milk unless absolutely necessary then the manufacturers do this. Have found some old Heinz in Lidl and stocked up for a bit but do not know what to do in future when I run out, hope he will just switch to cow's milk but not interested at moment.
Has anyone else noticed that ready made cartons of milk have come down in price? I don't know if this is because people have started buying them less with the credit crunch and all that but they used to be 52/54p per carton (200mls) in tesco and boots and now are circa 42p. I'm a bit annoyed as have been feeding DD all year on cartons and just switched to cows mile just as the prices have gone down!!!
hi ladies, this is my first post as i did not know about this site until i was looking for info on this new heinz product as i was disgusted to find they put the price up from £4.98 to £7.99 in my local morrisons.
I was so upset about it refused to buy and my 9mth old is now doing brill on good old cows milk! (well if im going to change it may as well be to that)
I also sent an email to heinz explaining my concerns, and below is what they emailed back to me......
Dear Ms Whetton
Heinz Nurture is a completely new range of infant formulae with new formulations and new packaging. The recommended retail price for Heinz Nurture is £7.99 (for the standard range) and £8.99 (for the specialist products). This is an increase vs. the Farley's product range, for which the recommended retail price was £5.99.
This increase reflects the changes we have made to the formulation with the inclusion of different and more expensive ingredients such as prebiotics and a different LCP oil blend.
Our packaging has also changed - we have added a scraper bar to help parents easily level off the milk powder in each scoop, and a more hygienic storage for the scoop which can now be stored out of the powder under the cap lid.
We have also extended our infant milk range with a product for babies with sensitive tummies, called Nurture Gentle. This will help ease some of the digestive problems that babies can experience such as colic, bloating and wind."
Yours sincerely Elaine Roby Consumer Care Co-ordinator
May i just say, i did fine using a knife to scrape my scoop, i did fine putting the scoop back inside the tub and most of all my son did fine drinking the old milk!
Its soooo confusing? I used farleys for almost 3 months now. and are unsure what to use now. You get told 'dont change the milk unless its absoloutly necessary' by the HV. I've been asking for advice from them for ages with ref to my little's ones constipation. But got told to hang in there dont change the milk and keep doing baby massage. Now i have to change the milk as i'm on my last can of farleys and Heinz nuture is not the same blend as farleys. Although they said it was just repackaging. no mention of re-pricing 'cant imagine why!!!!'
simpson - standard email - i got the same, word for word.
Ive switched DS to Hipp Organic (follow on) and he is taking less milk, but thats a good thing! (he is nearly 8mnths and was still on 5-6 8oz bottles a day with farleys hungry baby milk)
He is thriving, eating solids better, poo-ing better and generally happier.
Wish i had started on that in the first place!
Plus another thing i love about Hipp Organic, the packaging is just a cardboard box (that can be recycled) and the shiny tear open resealable bags. Much less waste!
i changed my little girl over from Heinz to Hipp Organic milk (priced £4.65 i Asda) and she has been fine, if not better then on Heinz. i think the formula change really messed with her tummy but the hipp seems a lot easier for her to digest, and cheap too
I am very grateful to find that I am not the only Mum who has had problems with the change in the formula - I thought it was me as a 1st time Mum being silly, but now I know its the change in the fomula - thanks for that
Has anyone had a response from Heinz from Naetha's link. I complained about price hike etc and boycotting products and got standard email back from them. Surely If people are threatening to boycott they should be a bit more concerned than the email I got.
I quote
"Dear XXX Heinz Nuture is a completely new range of infant formulae with new formulations & new packaging. The RRP for Heinz Nuture is £7.99 (for the standard range) and £8.99 (for the specialist products). This is an increase of vs. the Farleys product range for which the recommended retail price was £5.99. This increase reflects the changes we have made to the formulation with the inclusion of different & more expensive ingredients such as prebiotics and a different LCP oil blend. Our packaging has also changed - we have added a scraper bar to help parents easily level off milk powder in each scoop and a more hygienic storage for the scoop which can be stored out of the powder under the cap lid. We have also extended our infant milk range with a product for babies for sensitive tummies called Nuture Gentle. This will ease some of the digestive problems that babies can experience such as colic, bloating and wind"
What a load of crap, have you ever heard such rubbish!!!
I remember having this discussion on a different board.
The vast majority of adults in the UK have been fed in infancy on what today would be described as a 'no frills' formula.
On that score - why wouldn't there be people who would be willing to buy this product now for their babies (on the strength of the argument - 'this is what I was fed on and it hasn't done me any harm', something I've often heard said in relation to formula).
Is there a market for a 'Basics' infant formula? Selling at £2 a pack? Permanently? Or does the fact that all brands (except one) sell at prices within 50p or £1 of one another mean that customers would think it was poor quality? They would see no expensive promotion of this formula, which would allow prices to be kept low. Advertising seems to reassure consumers that the product they have bought is 'ok' - totally spurious, of course, as the product is the product, whether or not it is advertised, obviously...
tiktok you are EXACTLY right about the prices. When I used to live in somerset, C&G had a factory in the city I lived - my brother worked at that factory. He could purchase for me, 6 tins of C&G formula for £20 & I am talking just 6 years ago!!!! The money they are making from formula is ENORMOUS & it really is greed, there is no other word for it. Yes, I breast fed all 4 of mine, some longer than others but if you choose not to - or CAN'T - you really are held at gunpoint with these artificially high prices. I fully intend to boycott HEINZ products for ever - not just the baby related items. These large companies MUST be made to realise that WE, the CONSUMERS do have the POWER!
camousean, you are right. Formula is a product with a great deal of marketing - advertising, promotion, teams of reps, 'carelines' - and this cost is passed on to the consumer. The actual product cannot be hugely expensive to make, if you compare it with ordinary powdered milk even if you add a generous couple of quid on for the prebiotics and what not. But ordinary powdered milk is not marketed in the same way.
Manufacturers can charge more or less what they want - see the Heinze Nurture debacle.
The fairer way of costing formula would be to have permanent low prices across all brands.
It's because a temporary discount gives a false notion of the cost of formula feeding. For mothers on a tight budget this (it is thought) might have the effect of encouraging formula feeding, then two weeks later they find they cannot afford to stick with formula and they might use something less suitable instead (or dilute the formula to make it go further).
In reality, a few pence off in the UK is probably not going to have this effect, but the £3-£4 extra that someone might end up paying (after this Farleys debacle) could make a difference to someone's budget and affect the rest of their shopping basket.
why are they not meant to discount the milk? Is it so that mothers dont get sucked into buying formula instead of attempting breastfeeding? Sorry to be dumb! Thanks
I thought as much misdee; I'm just sceptical that after using something that has only been available for a week at the most one can say that they have had no problems or issues.
they make amongst many items of baby food, a biscuit that is to be put into a teated bottle of milk, plain and chocolate ones and it is common practice here to also add them to yogurts etc.
I have been on the C&G site for healthcare professionals. Betapol is not mentioned as an ingredient in Comfort; there, and on the list of ingredients it is termed 'structured vegetable oil' which is what Betapol is...as I said, I had to drill down into SACN (govt advisory body) to find out that Comfort has had Betapol in it for years. Therefore, I can assume Bond had inside professional information.
Nurture is new - it's the only non-speciality formula to have Betapol and prebiotics in it. Comfort has both, but it is marketed as a 'sensitive tummy' formula, and is not in direct competition with C&G ordinary brands.
The decision to place Nurture in the mainstream will be purely commercial - they're taking on Comfort and the ordinary brands. Potentially, a bigger market for them.
sorry that was a garbled post, 0-6m ISNT allowed to be price reduced on special offers etc but only milks for babies 6m and over so Floow On's can be reduced/special offers, so sounds like ASDA being a bit naughty.
they are allowed to discount follow on but not 0 - 6mo.
my local asda had reduced the farley's 0-6 mo to £4 from 4.89. All the follow on which had the reduced label underneath was gone but not the 0-6 mo which was reduced but not marked as reduced.
Oh crikey, I don't know. It was definately follow on milk in a lilac tin if that helps. I dont use formula for the 10mth old so am a bit out of touch...
Right, for those of you that use farleys follow on milk it was in ASDA reduced to twenty pence!!! per 900g tin.This was yesterday. I bought a tin to give to my ds (2.11yo) to have as a warm bedtime drink. (I realsie this thread is not going this way anymore but for those lurking and using farleys it may be worth taking a look in asda?)
and where has bond disappeared to? note she is not here defending heinz any more.
I'm also interested about the availability of the new formula as well. It still isn't on any of the shelves here; at least it wasn't in Sainsbury's on Sunday. Is it widely available yet? and if not, how can she "have put her little one on it" already?
bond you have raised more questions than you have answered, it would be good of you to come back and answer them.....or was it clocking off time already?
I don't understand why they had to withdraw Farley's....why not just introduce the new one for parents that want it and leave the existing brand the same. Nutricia have two brands out there, so why not Heinz?
I honestly think they are showing very little regard for their existing customer base, partly because there is a finite time they will actually be customers (unless they go on to FF many more children), and partly because there will always be other parents lining up behind the ones they have alienated to help them get their share of the market.
I notice one of the sites i visited stated cows milk is to high in protein and salt and too low in other things like vitamins as babies aren't calves and the babies kidneys weren't made to deal with the first 2 and also were not meant to double their weight in 2 months.
lol flibberty....I like how the babies come second after the animals (not!). I certainly wouldn't put my baby in a trial for something like this.....which is why I won't be buying Nurture
Quite so FAQ.....and this formula is NOT farleys, so it will probably cause a lot of babies (and parents) a lot of discomfort regardless of anything that the new ingredients might cause.
MatNan, I wonder how they can justify saying that over their helpline than?
"Changing your babies formula from one to another won't cause any illness."
True it probably won't cause an illness VS - but some babies just DON'T get on with other formulas (I speak from bitter experience after trying to change DS3 from formula to another and ended up with a very grumpy, grizzly baby, who refused his milk after a few bottles.......I switched back 24hrs later and the grumpyness stopped just as quickly as it started
Just so LackaDAISYcal: Bond said Betapol is used in C&G Omneo Comfort which has been on the UK market for 8yrs+, so how can it be new to the UK market
I first used it in May 2000 as the families first child was fussy, unsettled, windy, poopy, fretful and it was suggested by the HV for baby2 as it was marketed (and still is) as gentle on baby's digestion. Have used it for other families since. So that claim is outthewindow
wonder if i can convince mum to not use Aptamil when weaning current BF baby in a few months. We have in date new NannyMilk from NZ Friend but was told by a UK HV that it is a no-no (tho her DS used it and is a grand lad).
Will wander to the local baby shop (in Italy) and check out the other offerings, none of which are recognisable by name in the UK, tho here Apt comes in 3 stages 0-4m, 4-7m, and 7-12m.
In Theory HIPP is available but after speaking to her she is thinking of using the Nanny Milk she has.
Baby is BF but mum was VERY ill at the weekend sunstroke/tummy bug so couldn't feed, baby had Apt and very smelly/even runnyer stools and soooo fussy, we put it down to FF rather than BF but could be the FF we used
just seen this and my hackles are raised as well. Strange this comes after The Guardian article over the weekend that referred to this thread exactly; even stranger that a search of mynameisbonds posting history reveals this thread and this thread alone, a sum total of three posts. Now it could be that she read the guardian article and moseyed along to MN to check it out......but somehow I'm not sure that's the case.
I too have reported "her" posts
for whoever asked about why the price was so much, it was me who spoke to heinz last week and was told that this betapol is very expensive. they also said they were the only company to use it in the UK, justifying the increase over and above the price of Aptamil. I also queried what would happen if I fed it to my non-constipated baby and was told it wasn't like a laxative, it was much more gentle. I'm not convinced; if I take senna when I'm not constipated it will give me the runs; the runs mean the food isn't being digested properly and if food isn't digested properly then my body isn't getting the nutrients it needs...which is why perhaps they have felt the need to increase the amounts of vits and minerals in it. Am very very at the whole debacle.
Have to say I have read Bond's posts again and I agree. The give away? The dig at Nutricia (who make Cow&Gate and Aptamil) for doing company sponsored research, whereas Heinz don't do this. I haven't a clue if this is true, and you'd have to do loads of digging to be sure about this.
Betapol™ has been developed in order to overcome the problems associated with poor fatty acid absorption from infant formula and the negative consequences of this on energy supply, stool consistency and bone development. Studies in animals and newborn babies have confirmed that all the fatty acids in Betapol™ - including palmitic acid - are well absorbed into the bloodstream, and that only tiny quantities are lost in the feces. This greatly improves the absorption of dietary calcium and significantly reduces the amount of calcium lost in the stools. This, in turn, produces softer stools and a greater bone mineral density.
Stool consistency and bone mineral density in babies who receive Betapol™ are comparable to those seen breast-fed babies.
I just personally feel it's wrong to shoehorn mums into using formulas with novel ingredients in them. Fair enough - inclusion of new ingredients will increase the profits of the manufacturers, but there isn't clear enough evidence that these ingredients are beneficial for ALL babies to justify forcing mothers into using them.
Heinz has got rid of Farley's because it will result in larger numbers buying the new, expensive formula - many will feel they simply don't have a choice but to put their babies onto Nurture because they will feel it's closest to the brand their baby is already used to. The ethical thing to do would have been to introduce Nurture onto the market alongside Farley's. Then mums could have chosen to carry on with a formula that they were already happy with - (a formula that Heinz has sworn blind in the past was an excellent, safe food for babies) or switch to the new formulation.
Can I just say that if bond is someone from farleys/heinze then as far as I know what he/she is doing is illegal. You can't pretend not to be from that company and hand out "impartial" advice, whether it be formula or sports cars.
I have reported the post as it looks suspicious to me.
What makes me feel mad is that the only two places that stock farleys near me (boots and morrisons) took it off their shelfs about a week ago and aren't going to be getting that 'nuture' in stock till the 23rd of july so I've got no choice but to switch to something else, if they'd have given warning of when exactly it was going off the shelfs I could have stocked up instead of getting caught off guard and wondering which milk I should try.
That's what I thought. The posts just read a little strangely.
Was particularly struck by her comment "If I'd wanted to use the milk which was the cheapest I would have breast fed." which suggests that use of formula wasn't forced by problems with breastfeeding, but because she believed it to be nutritionally the best for her baby. And given that she is so well informed as to the constituent elements of various types of infant milk, I'm a bit surprised that she would be unaware of the health benefits of breast milk over any of the formulas.
Big apologies, Bond, if you are genuine non-affiliated mum.
(I just can't help thinking that if I were in charge of PR at Heinz and had read all this stuff about boycotts in the press, I might think about sending someone down to mumsnet to try to limit the damage.)
Bond's posts strike me as lacking in authenticity. If I sat down and teased out the timbre of her posts, her tone - it's the juxtaposition of comments like: "the companies are strictly regulated as to what they can & can't advertise to parents" and "My sister had her babies on SMA and they were bunged up like anything". It's incongruous, the mix of marketing speak with slightly iffy sounding personal information.
Also these comments: "The price of Farleys HASN'T gone up by over £3 a tin as Farley's milk doesn't exist any more"; "If I'd wanted to use the milk which was the cheapest I would have breast fed" and "but when it comes to my baby I have to say that I won't cut corners price wise". Those sound like the sort of things a childless person would say!
You can just 'smell' when someone is a plant. I used to be an English teacher - I taught A level English language and would spend a lot of time analysing style and tone. If I had the time and the mental energy I could pick out specifically what it is that is 'wrong' with her posts.
Blimey - is it her first posting? Then it is a bit, um, odd, isn't it?
OTOH, mumsnet has been in the press in connection with the hoo-hah and she may have been drawn to mumsnet as a result of those news stories.
She is very well-informed though - she knew that Comfort had Betapol in it, which is specialist knowledge indeed (I didn't know until I drilled into the SACN website and it isn't on C&G's website or named as such in their ingredients). She could be an HV or other HCP.
I don't normally question people's motives for posting, but I am very curious as to what drew you to this Heinz thread for your first posting on Mumsnet, Bond.
Forgive me for saying so, but you are sounding to me rather more like a PR person for Heinz than a well-informed mother.
Except if they're drinking formula, as most formula is made from cow's milk.
Bond:
Constipation is a big problem for ff babies, but even so - the majority don't have it, if the research done by the Department of Health is to be believed.
If Betapol softens the stool of babies whose stools are already, presumably, soft, then is this really desirable?
To thenameisbond - I think you are missing the point here - ALL mums have the best interests of their babies in mind when buying anything for them. The PROBLEM here is that the mums who were feeding their babies FARLEYS were notified ONLY of a branding difference with the tins, NOT the ingredients, not the price. So, yes, had heinz been upfront with this information, the mums would have been able to make an INFORMED choice about sticking with nurture or changing to a different milk. I have twins, who were bf til 3 months exclusively, then ff as well as bf for a while...had I known what was coming, I would have continued bf but stopped...my poor babies were subjected to horrendous runny poo which made them really sore & I have had to change to another formula, it's pretty rude of you to suggest that price is the biggest issue here, it's NOT but - my husbands wages will not increase over night by over 50% so why should the price of this formula? I also find it VERY hard to believe that MOST babies suffer with constipation...MOST babies do NOT have COWS MILK til 6 months+ so this is not really a relevant piece of information or am I missing the whole formula point?! I have 4 children & none of mine have been constipated. HEINZ should be ASHAMED of what they have done - I will NOT be buying anything with heinz branding EVER again. I may be a small fish but if I jump high enough out of the pond, I will make a BIG ripple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bond, I agree that formula is regulated in the UK. It's quite wrong - as some posts on mumsnet have hinted - to suggest that formula with new ingredients is put on sale casually and without any official check on safety or suitability. These checks do take place, of course they do. However, there are other commercial interests at work, as you acknowledge.
www.sacn.gov.uk/meetings/committee/main_sacn_meetings/27092001.html This comes from 2001, when the relevant govt. advisory body looked at Betapol. They asked for more information and research before approving it (it was, and is, an ingredient in Omneo Comfort, a 'speciality' formula marketed for babies with, well, I am not sure, colic and sensitive tummies, I think).
The further research was not forthcoming: "Meanwhile, new EC regulations came into force under which Betapol no longer needed final clearance as a novel food because it was already being marketed and had a history of use in some EC countries. Therefore, the manufacturer did not pursue COMA’s request for long-term follow up data. "
This makes me feel uncomfortable - and disinclined to accept that formulas with this ingredient are necessarily 'advanced'.
If you look at the Nurture website you'll see that the ingredient it has in it is called Betapol. If you google Betapol you'll find that Cow & Gate have had it in one of their specialist milks for quite a while so it's only a new ingredient to Heinz although it might be that they have had it in their milks in other countries before now as well. They can't just put anything into the milks - it is strictly regulated. They wouldn't have been able to put it in the milk unless it had been trialled and approved for use in the UK. I read somewhere in this thread that the amount of children it was tested on was small. As I understand it this is not unusual in clinical research involving children. It's also worth looking at who is doing the research. If it's someone on that payroll (as is a lot of the research that Cow & Gate and Aptamil undertake) then you can say there is a bias there to begin with i.e. it is not truly independent research.
Which was it, Bond? The fact it was made in this country (I didn't know that - and I can understand it would sway your decision) or the fact it is 'the most advanced' formula? Or both? Is it not understandable to be sceptical of 'advanced' ? You're right about the uniqueness of the combined ingredients in 'Nurture' but that doesn't make it better.
I think the issue is that we can't tell which is the 'best' formula, as there is no one telling us this apart from the people who make it, and they have something of a vested interest
You'll have seen from other threads that new ingredients are not always without controversy or concerning side-effects.
after reading just a few of your comment i dont think i will give my son the new nurture i keep stocked up so have some old farleys he wont toch anything else my child hasbeen on farleys since he was born and i have told everyone how fantastic it is but now hienz have shot themselves in the foot with this
No I don't work for Farley's or Heinz. In relation to the ingredients of this milk compared to the others out there I did my homework & found out what they all contained or rather what the differential was between them. The other milks have either one (prebiotics) or the other (special protein)in them whereas this Nurture has got both those & the vegetable oil mix in it. I don't know if there's anything to stop the other companies putting it in their milk but if they do I can't imagine the price staying the same. I chose Farley's milk purely because it was made in this country. I didn't give the prebiotic or protein thing a thought when I chose Farley's but when I knew it was being changed I thought I'd better look a bit more closely at what was available. Contrary to what was said about constipati
...nearly slipped up over the chicken soup but hubby reminded me & put the other, well known, condensed variety in trolley instead, lol!!!!
at the biscuits for adding to milk!!!
. They might be getting round it that way?
sorry FAQ didn't mean you were. 
