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How utterly ridiculous, what a silly reaction and a pathetic stunt. Anyone would think they both wanted to encourage the opposite of what the govt campaign is aiming for. My respect for wright is nil anyway but have found Biggins fairly annoying recently too.
It was probably off as they said director refused to let them refrigerate it (??) My bm tastes nice. Used to like the show but after this and yesterday, not watching again. Why is it okay to drink stuff from cows nipples but not from human ones???
Matthew wright is a twat at the best of times, I remember a item on his show about BF last year when Lowri turner said she would breast feed because it makes your nipples hard and rough!!!
BM tastes sweet its not offensive to the taste buds at all
Nervousal it's not that we care what they think but I'm sure plenty of people are influenced by what people on TV think and it just encourages derision of breastfeeding and breastfeeders and I care a lot about that.
neither of them where bf and mw is v anti, seems to think because his mum stills feels bad about not bf 40 + years on, the best way to make her and other like her, feel better is to make out theres no eveident that bf is best for babies!
[regardless of any thought towards helping to prevent millions of future mums, not have sad feels about not bf 40 years later]
he seems to have missed the key point that, the vast majority of women[8/10?] that stop bf before 6 weeks . did not want to stop. these women are being let down by twats like him
I've just emailed the show also. that milk they are drinking should be in a neonatal ward in London helping babies whose mothers can't breastfeed, not in a studio.
I have high lipase levels in my BM. Left for a short time it does indeed taste disgusting (like Pantene ProV) and leaves a nasty taste in mouth. It's one of the many reasons I couldnl't "just express" and leave my baby at home / not "subject" others to public displays of breastfeeding.
I wouldn't email the show - that counts as a success for the show. Contact Ofcom instead.
what was the point of not keeping it in the fridge
now yasmin can't concentrate as it smells of breasts in there!
biggins is reading the papers making out a middleage man died after drinking bm [ie him] fecking hell why do people describe him as a national treasure??
this is outrageous
feel so sorry for everyone thats worked so hard on promoting nbaw
there are really going on about it! either talk about
I did not see this but to hear this makes me sooo bm, it's not meant for them, think we should watch them sample kangaroo balls if they haven't already.. what a ignorant thing to say
Looked on ofcom site and broadcasters not allowed to show anything that could endanger under 18s, also news programmes not allowed to have political bias and 'facts must not be misrepresented' what do you think are they breaking the code? here
As breastmilk is for babies and young children, I think this stunt is a reflection of their emotional age. After all don't little boys always say Yuck and refuse to try new things...I rest my case.
I was shocked too! Firstly - any milk left out of the fridge will taste a bit foul! Secondly - I would like to have seen them comparing breast milk to powdered formula - bet that properly stored breast milk would taste better!
I'm afraid he's got the advantage of me. I've never tasted kangaroo balls. Perhaps they're quite nice and he eats them regularly, which is why he is so familiar with the taste.
Hmm. To be fair (and as a journalist, MW apparently knows all about empirical evidence, far more than peer reviewed journals of course), shouldn't they have done a sort of pepsi challenge of breast and formula?
Hmm could we suggest a breast milking tasting programme with tasting notes - This milk was extracted at 6 in the morning from a mother unable to move from exhaustion mainly due to the extra glass or so of wine she had the night before - This milk was extraction from a Italian artisan living off a diet of olive oil, fresh vegtables, freshly caught fish and goats milk. She has 3 children under 3 all of which she nurses
I also thought the comment the special guest made about was a bit atrange. Something like "no wonder my baby is now on the bottle". As if baby made that choice!
.... they should have made them drink a full glass of stay down formula.
Followed by a full glass of soya formula.
They'd have been mopping up puke from the studio floors for months to come.
Honestly though - this is all about MW exorcising his grief and anger about not being breastfed. He might not recognise that this is what it's all about, but we know it is!
I wouldn't want to drink someone else's BM that had been sent in by a viewer and not kept in the fridge. I would imagine it would stink and taste foul. I think the viewer was trying to make the point that it would taste sweet and lovely but I wouldn't want to drink a friends EBM let alone a strangers.
I didn't see this so don't feel able to write my own complaint but if anyone wants to do one and circulate it for signing I'd be happy to add my signature
This show makes my eye itch. I have to turn it off before he comes on the screen.
I don't believe BM tastes bad. I would trust DDs taste buds over his anyday. DP doesn't seem to be put off by it either
I think fabsmum has a great suggestion. Perhaps they could get Jilly Goulden (you know the wine taster?) to come on and do a taste test. I wonder if she could tell if the BM came from someone who had been drinking Chablis or Cabernet Sauvignon the night before
Fine - but don't waste people's time in the process. Complain to the maker's of the programme not OFCOM - think before leaping in with both feet. Didn't a whole load of you send ranting emails to Costa Coffee recently over a local newspaper story about a woman who was allegedly thrown out for breastfeeding? Story was a crock of shit - anyone with a brain could have read between the lines and seen that. This is NOT a matter for OFCOM. Ofcom are to deal with serious, important issues not immature stunts. They only take action when a very specific code has been broken.
on Fri 16-May-08 12:10:05 Looked on ofcom site and broadcasters not allowed to show anything that could endanger under 18s, also news programmes not allowed to have political bias and 'facts must not be misrepresented' what do you think are they breaking the code? here
facts have been misrepresented and under 18 could be endandgered.
they way mw was making out there is little emperical eveidence the breast is best, maybe influence some mums that actually no i don't think ill bf. not the vast majority, but some mums therefore putting those babies under risk.
you're right - it's not rocket science. It's bollocks.
it's not for you to interpret how other people might react to seeing something. It's not about 'prediction' it's about fact.
If he drank petrol and said 'yummy. try some' then yes that would be breaking the code.
Him trying BM and saying 'yuk. i don't like that' and then imagining that some woman might watch that and think ' well if Matthew wright doesn't like it then I shall no longer give it to my newborn' and then that baby dying as a result....get real.
Leaving aside the extremism and whether it breaks codes, it is still irresponsible and sensationalist. There ought to be a way for BFing to get coverage in populist media without all the hysteria and fear. But there isn't, is there? There is hardly any coverage of BF, except for programmes like this which continue the general culture of demonising it and making it seem weird, distasteful and socially unacceptable.
And the Costa Coffee thing did not 'not' happen, it was the interpretation of it that was confused. I read the email I was sent by Costa to be implying that she may have been asked to stop (rather than to leave) which amounts to the same thing with a hungry baby. And BTW, I didn't 'rant' once.
I really thought of ofcom in relation to both the show today and the one yesterday which really was biased against bf and it was mw questioning whether breast is indeed best that was out of order, him saying that the research showing bf to be better was suspect, to follow it up with this mornings stunt just compounded the negative message.
it's not unreasonable to question research. the point he made was whether the study linking higher IQ to breastfeeding had taken into account the class and status of the mother.
I agree with an earlier message about cow's milk. It's so bizarre that most people would happily drink milk that comes from a cows nipple produced for a calf but find humans producing milk for babies somehow gross. It's crazy!
the last study into why children that have been bf have higher iq's, was basically about the fact its to do with a gene, that only 90% of us have, that is triggered by bm.
it only improves the iq of 90% of us though so....
your genes are not affected by social status
would you like a spade nancy? so you can Bury your head in the sand, a bit deeper
I have not read the IQ studies. On this point I too am suspicious and if they really didn't control for class/status, they are dodgy. And it is quite reasonable to question such research on TV.
Nor did I see the programme. But I have seen it. i can imagine.
But none of this excuses the general anti-BF attitude that is allowed to fester openly in this country. And I imagine there was NO reference to all the other research which does show the benefits of BF? Or was there?
wilf, the person yesterday that was ment to covering th bf side,was not exactly articulate iykwim [theres more about this on the other thread.] i know im not either, but im not voluntering to go on a chat show to talk about it. certainly did not get her points or views over well., or at all really. why could they not get someone from the ntc or somewhere?
im not interseted in the iq benifit thought, just the comfort factor for baby and the healthy benefits really <although atm the money saving is great too>
sweetkitty, yes it just the most wonderful, extremely FRESH milk there is it doesnt even smell either. unlike formula
milkgoddess - it makes sense that something fresh from source is going to taste much better than something pasteurised, highly processed and then dried. I bet milk straight from the cow tastes much nicer than the stuff you get in Tesco's as well.
Also the proof is on the poo. It doesn't smell horrible at all because there is hardly anything wasted. I hated the change in the smell when I stopped bf-ing my two year old!
My friend was actually crying when she was given nutrimigan as it smelled and tasted so bad, she felt like she was poisoning her baby. He guzzled it though (and brought it all back up thats anotehr story) but it was recommended by GP/HV/paed.
Oh yes poos definitely get interesting once wenaing kicks in.
Fresh cows milk is indeed much, much nicer than the pasteurised stuff you get from the supermarket. My father was a dairy farmer and we used to drink it (almost) straight from the cow! Lovely! It also explains why I have super strong nails and hair.
Anyway, back to the point. I saw some of MW this am and was absolutely flabbergasted at them sniggering and pretend retching over the bm. I have sent the show an email saying how disappointed & disgusted I am with the show -- how it could put some Mums off bf in the future and how I sometimes find it challenging bf in public because of some people's misconceptions and programmes such as this will only make that worse.
Nancy fwiw you are incorrect or at least out of date there has been some more recent research into bf/iq which tried made some more progress into distinguishing social factors, by studying babies in Belarus
what makes me genuinely very angry though are nonsensical and ridiculous attempts to suggest that there are somehow "two sides" to the "argument" about bf, and that there is somehow a "pro-bf" camp and and "anti-formula" camp. to suggest that there is some sort of controversy and that women are at each other's throats about it is nasty and insidious. there is no argument. the scientific research is absolutely over-whelming. women should have a free choice about feeding their babies. we should be concentrating on supporting women to make the choices that are best for them and their families, rather than whipping up a groundless and distracting "controversy" to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
yes harpsichordcarrier I am aware of this study. Here's what New Scientist say about it.
"The study is limited by the fact that the researchers don't know whether the positive effect on intelligence scores comes from breast-feeding or from characteristics of the mothers who are more likely to nurse. The researchers didn't include the cognitive abilities of the parents."
I'm just trying to make the point that it is perfectly ok to question studies linking breastfeeding to IQ - that was all Matthew Wright did. He mentioned other benefits and did not question them.
Agree that studies of all kinds are there to be questioned.
I've never listend to Matthewi Writhgt so accept he might be an arse. But I really don't see how this media stunt will jeopardise the future breastfeeding choices of women.
yes of course it is perfectly OK to question studies but really, this is not only what MW was doing he was trying to whip up an argument where there is none. as you said: "There were some pro BF views and there were some anti - ie both sides were covered." this is what I object to. what exactly is an "anti" bf side? and what possible positive purpose is served by taking sides? how does that help women or babies or families?
yes, but hold on that makes no sense yes it is perfectly legitimate to discuss whether the pro breast campaign made f-feeding mothers feel guilty or inadequate. what has that got to do with being "anti-bf"? why is it necessary or even logical to take sides about that? why, if he genuinely wanted to discuss that issue, did he bring into question whether "breast is best"? totally irrelevant and pointless and wrong. why would supporting ff mothers mean being "anti-bf" it's just fuzzy logic.
Throwing a topic open to debate doesn't necessarily mean you have to take sides. it can sometimes mean that you are forced to consider the other's viewpoint and that can only be for the good.
The issue was whether the campaign undermined some women it wasn't about questioning whether breast milk was superior.
all the agencies that beign with of are there for when you have exhausted other more direct approaches so you dont go to ofwat about water until you have tried to resolve the issue with severn trent etc
and if no code or law is broken then it is immaterial anyway
Sadly a young mother who is feeling dubious about breastfeeding or is self conscious about it may well see two adult men recoiling in horror at breastmilk and yes indeed decide she will not breastfeed.
Milk is an important source of nutrients that you and your family shouldn’t miss out on. If someone in your family has lactose intolerance and the rest of the family still want to enjoy the taste of real milk, try Lactofree - the UK’s first virtually lactose-free dairy drink.
