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Mumsnet Discussions: Breast and bottle feeding : Have decided not to breastfeed - what happens at the hospital <apart from hostility from disapproving midwives> (33 messages)
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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By catsypug on Wed 07-May-08 14:30:51
I've decided not to breastfeed DD2 when she's born in June for a variety of (well thought out) reasons.

I breastfed DD1 for 4 months, it seemed right at the time but I was exhausted, mastitis, pain......you all know! Anyway - I've had a terrible pregnancy this time, been very ill and am low energy, have no family support around us and I'm in sole charge of a 2.5 yr old - I need as much energy back as possible to cope with 2 of them alone...

Anyway....enough justification - Am I right in that they give you medication after birth to stop the milk flow? and would I need to take a tub of forumla into the hospital and bottles? - obviously I'll ask midwife next week too but just incase she thinks I'm Kerry Katona thought I'd get advice here first!

Thanks
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By WingsofanAngel on Wed 07-May-08 14:33:34
Yes they can give you an injection.
They usually use disposable teats and glass bottles (with formula in them) that the teat just screws onto.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By izzybiz on Wed 07-May-08 14:34:53
In our local hospital, they provide milk for the babies.
I have had 2 children there and haven't breastfed either of them. Ive never had any hostility, its in my maternity notes that I wish to "artificially feed"!

Never had any medication to stop milk, you just have to wait for it to dry up on its own, doesn't take long, but NO squeezing!!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By ceebee74 on Wed 07-May-08 14:35:53
Not sure about the injection but you don't need to take formula in as they provide it as the baby (and you) are patients.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By saadia on Wed 07-May-08 14:36:20
yes at our hospital as well they provide bottles filled with milk and you can choose which brand to use.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By BroccoliSpears on Wed 07-May-08 14:36:31
If you're giving birth in Leeds you'll not get hostility or disapproval. The midwives on the postnatal ward were completely uninterested in my shakey start to breastfeeding, but were falling over each other to help the ff mothers, explain how it works, help them out, feed the baby, chat to them about it and reassure them.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By WingsofanAngel on Wed 07-May-08 14:38:21
I had ds1 at Leeds they weren't nice then either. (I was glad when I got back to our own hospital)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By PerkinWarbeck on Wed 07-May-08 14:39:23
check with your hospital.

ours does not offer formula, as part of its pro-breastfeeding policy.

This hospital also advises that there are limited facilities for formula storage and preparation on the wards, so you should bring cartons of formula and disposable bottles.

TBH i think I would bring cartons anyway - more hygienic, and therefore recommended for the early weeks.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By tiktok on Wed 07-May-08 14:40:39
Wings, you're wrong there, I think. I have not heard of anyone being given an injection in a UK hospital ever, though I am told this used to happen years ago. Occasionally, I have heard of women getting an injection if they were bf when their baby died unexpectedly, but I think this would be unusual, too.

The reason is the possibility of nasty (and I mean really horrible) side effects, which are rare but obviously you'd want to avoid them.

Nature does the job of 'drying you up' without the need for anything else.

Catsypug, prob a good idea to talk over your situation with the midwives antenatally, so you know what to expect, and they do, too.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By 2blue on Wed 07-May-08 14:42:13
I am a mw (not a disapproving or hostile one!) and have never in 10 years of practice given an injection to stop milk production. Just make sure you wear a really good supportive bra postnatally, and as Izzy said, no fiddling about with your boobs unnecesarily eg turn your back to the shower etc.
Formula is usually provided in hospitals, hopefully no need to bring that in.

All the best, I am sure it will all go wellgrin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By WingsofanAngel on Wed 07-May-08 14:47:18
Sorry I thought I heard someone saying that you could.
<shuffles away>
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By 2blue on Wed 07-May-08 14:53:55
Apologies if that sounded narkyblush

Come back Wings...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sabire on Wed 07-May-08 14:57:16
Come to our local hospital and they'll be offering you bottles of ready made formula every five minutes - regardless of how you intend to feed your baby! grin
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By WingsofanAngel on Wed 07-May-08 14:58:47
Don't worry about it I never suffle far lol smile
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By 2blue on Wed 07-May-08 14:59:40
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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By WingsofanAngel on Wed 07-May-08 15:00:46
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Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By SamJamsmum on Wed 07-May-08 15:19:06
Drink lots of sage tea. It helps you 'dry up' naturally once your milk has come in (which you can't prevent as it happens automatically). Also the old remedy of chilled cabbage leaves can be extra useful as if you keep the leaves on for a long time they can have a drying effect (not so good for those wanting to breastfeed.)
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Kif on Wed 07-May-08 15:27:29
I thought the injection thing was for when you'd lost your baby - so you didn't have the upsetting thing of lots of milk and no baby? Not that I'd know anyway.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Poohbah on Wed 07-May-08 15:37:12
If you are giving birth at the Chelsea & Westminster they will not give you bottles of formula willingly even if your baby has been prescribed them by the paeds so I would have a chat about hospital policy with your midwife!
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Sidge on Wed 07-May-08 15:40:23
Check with your hospital. Ours doesn't provide formula.

There are tablets you can take to dry up milk more quickly but they are rarely given as the side effects can be awful. They tend to give them to women who have had a stillbirth or neonatal loss. The best way to let your milk dry up is to have no stimulation of the breast.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By catsypug on Wed 07-May-08 16:08:25
it's Queen Charlotte's I'm going to so I will find out next week at 34 week MW appt.

Thanks 2blue - didn't mean to attack midwives by the way - they're great, I just know of some stories of mums being 'told off' and frowned upon for not BF.

Least I know not to ask for any milk killing drugs now!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By sabire on Wed 07-May-08 16:18:02
"I just know of some stories of mums being 'told off' and frowned upon for not BF"

You'd hope that most midwives would have resigned themselves to the fact that a significant minority of women choose not to breastfeed, and dealt with their sadness about this before unleashing themselves on the postnatal ward.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By misdee on Wed 07-May-08 16:25:40
our hospital dont provide formula except for those in scbu or in emergencies.

never heard of anyone getting an injection to stop milk flow in this day and age.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By catsypug on Wed 07-May-08 17:40:47
Sabire - my sister in law chose not to breastfeed and was told 'you white women - you only want your men to use your breasts' by a foreign import midwife! Think that was the last thing on her mind after her 3rd degree tear!!

Just been looking through Queen Charlottes welcome pack and there's lots mentioned about breastfeeding but NONE about formula feeding hmm
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By threestars on Wed 07-May-08 22:43:36
About the drug - after I lost my 2nd baby, I asked my midwife about it. She said it simply delays the milk production until you stop taking the drug, and THEN the milk comes in. It used to be offered to women who'd lost their babies, but since it just postpones the inevitable, it's generally not discussed/offered.
Best to grin and bear it straightaway I think, without nasty chemicals...
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By lizzytee on Thu 08-May-08 13:50:50
Catsy, Queen Charlotte's has Unicef accreditation so imo it's unlikely that they will automatically provide formula and/or bottles
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By bigknickersbigknockers on Thu 08-May-08 14:04:37
when I was born in ahem <whispers> 1970 shhhh my mum was given medication to make her milk disperse because i was in an incubator for a few days so I think it may have been something that was done years ago.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By FioFio on Thu 08-May-08 14:05:31
your milk goes on its own
no-one is nasty either
hth
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By kiskideesameanoldmother on Thu 08-May-08 15:46:27
Catsy: Info is not provided for FF in ante-natal packs because there are significant health risks which are inherent to bottlefeeding. Any mother who wishes to bottlefeed is to be provided with 1 to 1 advice by her HCP in the place (prob. her kitchen) where preparation would normally take place. Preferably after the baby is here. It is not because anyone is anti-ff that it is done differently. (sorry for the unsympathetic tone of the post, I am in a hurry and just being factual.)
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By Mikafan on Thu 08-May-08 15:51:19
Catsy, at QC where I had my DD a year ago you'll find they are more helpful to you than to the BF mums (or so I found). When my DD had problems latching on in the middle of the night they were very unhelpful so you'll be fine, really you will.
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By AitchTwoCiao on Thu 08-May-08 15:51:45
speak to them in advance, cats. it's your decision, and if you've made your mind up and are smilingly determined i think you can probably head off any 'lectures'. (although if you were giving birth at the hosp i did then you'd have no problem as they looked sideways if you said you wanted to bf. grin)
good luck with the birth!
Contact the poster Contact mumsnet about this post By Akiandme on Fri 09-May-08 09:33:20
I gave birth in Leeds last year. They will no longer supply formula or bottles. You need to bring your own if you wish to FF. Worth checking with your mw.
Contact the poster See this person's profile Contact mumsnet about this post By harpsichordcarrier on Fri 09-May-08 09:40:59
hello and congratulations on your pregnancy.
when your baby is born, they won't give you an injection or any other drugs but your milk will come in all the same smile
try wearing a close fitting bra all the time, resist the temptation to express and you can take paracetemol for the pain.
have you considered giving colostrum even if you don't plan to bf later? i.e. feeding for the first few days only.
it can help your uterus shrink back down and help prevent jaundice in the short term, as well as being very good for the baby, and there is no down side if you choose to start giving formula after the first few days at all.
I would suggest you take in cartons of formula for ease if you are in hospital for any time, though with any luck you may be out pretty quickly.
I doubt you will encounter any opposition but if you do then don't feel you have to justify yourself. your baby and your choice.
best of luck for your birth smile


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